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Old May 14, 2024 | 08:30 PM
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I've just past 4000... here is how my oil looks :

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Old May 18, 2024 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by kevm14
I responded in another AMG thread but I’ll say it here too…

Keep in mind that Lake Speed Jr does have a relationship with Joe Gibbs Racing/Driven oils. If what you’ve been doing to keep your M276/M278/M157 out of bore score hell, I say keep doing what you’ve been doing.
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Old May 19, 2024 | 04:05 PM
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Getting this mod done Wednesday, very excited!
Just out of curiosity though, if one was to change there oil lets say every 2500 miles or 6 months whichever comes first with Liquimoly 5w-40 would this mod be helpful to them considering there oil is always almost fresh? Just curious
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Old May 19, 2024 | 04:43 PM
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W212 MY'14 M276-3.5NA @75kMi
Fresh LM.5w40

Originally Posted by AMG__POWER
Getting this mod done Wednesday, very excited!

Just out of curiosity though, if one was to change there oil lets say every 2,500 miles or 6 months whichever comes first with Liquimoly 5w-40 would this mod be helpful to them considering there oil is always almost fresh?
Just curious
A 5w40 Liquimoly oil at 2,500.Mi should definitely be a good choice. You will experience better engine heat management right away.


Manual on-demand cooling :
you can simply shift one gear down while cruising to raise engine speed near 2500.RPM for couple minutes.
This will help remove your pistons heat out and into coolant heat-exchanger to radiator.


> NO-MIX Workaround:
"On-demand" provides manual temperature control without having to mix oil for automatic spraying by-way of viscosity adjustment.


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Old May 19, 2024 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by CaliBenzDriver
A 5w40 Liquimoly oil at 2,500.Mi should definitely be a good choice. You will experience better engine heat management right the very first day.

For manual on-demand cooling you can simply shift one gear lower to raise engine speed near 2500.RPM.
Thanks for the tip! I generally drive the car highways so the RPM are low and in comfort or sport typically, and I will periodically do the downshift to around 3500-4k for the spray, I just wanted to do the mod for longevity as it’ll cool the pistons more. Has anyone had this mod in the summer? Particularly in cali it can get very hot!
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Old May 19, 2024 | 04:54 PM
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The fresher the oil the better this mod works. Still waiting for my Blackstone report.
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Old May 19, 2024 | 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by AMG__POWER
Getting this mod done Wednesday, very excited!
Just out of curiosity though, if one was to change there oil lets say every 2500 miles or 6 months whichever comes first with Liquimoly 5w-40 would this mod be helpful to them considering there oil is always almost fresh? Just curious
A resounding yes! It doesn't matter if you change the oil after 100 miles or 5000 miles, this oil pump solenoid will only bring positives, the immediate positive improvement you might notice is better low end torque.
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.... UNDERSTOOD ....

I am glad some of your wise guys understand the complexity of this topic... it's more than cut the cord + change oil!
I think just the MOD-2.0 empowers people with more choises and free personal decisions.


We DON'T NEED TO KEEP the stock setup for run-away heat burn-your-oil black BS.

Now my engine temperature is seriously under control: cold garage and NO FAN always ON. I could not ask for more. I am old enough to doctor a few basics with the help of the ultimate dive-buddy MS!


The GDI timings are positively helped by a good clean faster CAN-C bus - I've just re-soldered my ESP module and after only 40.Mi tranny shifts noticeably faster... courtesy of stupid brake module.

ESP re-soldered CAN BUS shared with ECU/TCU... guess how fast tranny shifts now

I think this is a game of BOSCH ESP against CONTINENTAL TCU.


Thank you all contributors and joy to many Lucky friends.
You have discovered the "Secret legacy cooling mode" aka. MOD-2.1.


4000 Miles old MOD-2.1 oil: AMBER, not black
Level is holding very well given all the big torque I got from GDI mixtures. It fly's from low, super direct. Rich-strong mixtures under built-in stock control, a welcomed surprise.

In couple weeks, I am going to dump in an extra 100ml booster shot. I want to give this testing oil all chances not to get cooked by borderline-viscosity.
100ml is a good size shot with current choices.

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Old May 20, 2024 | 09:01 AM
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This was an interesting find over at Yellowbullet.com... seems we're not the only ones finding issues with variable oil pumps. This is on Ford's "Godzilla" line of heavy duty truck engines (7.3L):
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Originally Posted by TomZVB
This was an interesting find over at Yellowbullet.com... seems we're not the only ones finding issues with variable oil pumps. This is on Ford's "Godzilla" line of heavy duty truck engines (7.3L):
I have not read through all of the particulars with this, but the failures are due to reduced oil pressure at idle/low RPM. Why they would need to squeeze economy out of a heavy duty truck is beyond my reasoning, but this is the end result.
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Old May 20, 2024 | 09:05 AM
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The Hemi also has this issue, without even implementing variable oil pumps.
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Old May 21, 2024 | 11:21 AM
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Just came from a 2000 mile round trip drive from Chicago to north Carolina to visit the famous tail of the dragon.
​​​​​​Drove there a few hundred miles, drove down to Helen ga, drove a few more hundred miles, and drove back to Chicago another 840 miles.. Car didn't skip a beat, running up and down the mountains, keeping rpms at 3-5k, downshifts, full throttle runs, car just kept on pushing! Oil change coming soon. Liquid moly 5w40, also iat pump rewire with a upgraded side mount intercooler
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Old May 21, 2024 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Mojo20032004
Just came from a 2000 mile round trip drive from Chicago to north Carolina to visit the famous tail of the dragon.
​​​​​​Drove there a few hundred miles, drove down to Helen ga, drove a few more hundred miles, and drove back to Chicago another 840 miles.. Car didn't skip a beat, running up and down the mountains, keeping rpms at 3-5k, downshifts, full throttle runs, car just kept on pushing! Oil change coming soon. Liquid moly 5w40, also iat pump rewire with a upgraded side mount intercooler
reminds me of this excellent read:
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...vs-dragon.html


When the E63 works ... it's one of the most fun sports sedans on this planet

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Yes sir. Plan is to visit the dragon every year between may 14-19. This year I lost my spoiler, I guess improper tape was used and flew off at 170 😔, brightside I got new wheels hehe


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Particularly in cali it can get very hot!
I am in FL and it has been 90's for a number of weeks. In general (and in the 'other' thread about temps), for me my fake oil temp sits about (in theory) about 12-20F higher than the actual oil temps.
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So...you are a litter bug? That 'spoils' the trip
🤭 I was sad for a few mins
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So...you are a litter bug? That 'spoils' the trip
🙄 (Keep your day job. There's no money in comedy.)
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Old May 22, 2024 | 02:33 PM
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Mod completed!


Solenoid mod completed along with LM 5-40 oil, ceratec, engine flush and diff fluid change! Thanks to the people who recommended it, excited to see how it runs now
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Just packaged up my oil for Blackstone. Changed the oil yesterday. A shade over 5,000 miles on Molygen 5W-40 (I did have to add 1L during). About 104k on car.

I didn't drive it very far because during this service I realized the insides of my rear tires are beyond spent (whoops). But I did drive it a bit and it feels like the unplugging mod is doing more for me. It's back to that responsive throttle off the line. We'll see what Blackstone says. I will post.
Over 2 weeks later finally got car back on the road. It actually feels different enough that I felt the need to do another MCT clutch relearn. So I did that yesterday afternoon and it, yet again, feels different. Remember, I had just done a relearn at the end of the last oil change and did one with less than 50 miles on the new oil and it is smoother.
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Over 2 weeks later finally got car back on the road. It actually feels different enough that I felt the need to do another MCT clutch relearn. So I did that yesterday afternoon and it, yet again, feels different. Remember, I had just done a relearn at the end of the last oil change and did one with less than 50 miles on the new oil and it is smoother.
by relearn you make sneaky trans reset? Initial thoughts for me 15 miles post solenoid disconnect is not to much different, oil heats up quicker and seems to still stay at the same temps 210/197. No change in engine feel I will be doing sneaky trans reset today as well
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No, wet clutch adaptation. Requires Xentry.
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Over 2 weeks later finally got car back on the road. It actually feels different enough that I felt the need to do another MCT clutch relearn. So I did that yesterday afternoon and it, yet again, feels different. Remember, I had just done a relearn at the end of the last oil change and did one with less than 50 miles on the new oil and it is smoother.
so in general does your car and it's driveability continue to improve, or do I interpret your feedback to suggest you keep moving forwards then backwards a bit prompting another adaptation
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Drove my car about 50 miles post oil solenoid disconnect and here are my findings.( also did the following at the same time- Liquimoly 5w-40 oil, 2 cans ceratec, 2 cans engine flush, 2 movotech control arms + alignment, liquimoly diff service, liquimoly speed tec and jetron) I do live in Los Angeles so currently it’s about 73 degrees and sunny and I’m not sure if my findings are from the solenoid disconnect or all the other engine servicing I did. My car is running about 8-10 degrees cooler, rarely passing the 210/200 mark, on the freeway cruising around 85-90 in S I was getting 195/195 which is excellent and it would only rise in traffic then cool down again. I also don’t know if it’s placebo but the motor seems smoother and quieter, I’ve only had the car a week so I don’t know if it drives any different per say but I think it’s definitely a good mod to do as it’s free and really has no negative affect.
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