LOWERING W212 E63S
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LOWERING W212 E63S
I’ll be lowering my 2014 E63S RWD just wondering what are the things i’ll need to look out for like camber and i heard you gotta adjust the dynamic headlight sensor coz they will be facing up after lowering. I’ll be putting KW HAS kit in front and the rear i’ll adjust with the lowering module
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cotmfk (02-24-2024)
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Ain't nothing you can do camber wise with this car. Once you lower it... you get what you get. An alignment will be only to correct TOE after suspension disassembly and reassembly. If you end up with "undesired" inner tire wear, you will have to look into aftermarket camber arms.
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Well it’s needed !!
Majority Owners convinced surely the reassuring statement “Will Carry Out A Full Front & Rear ‘4’ Wheel Alignment” - means just that !
It’s new car industry's best kept secret - that there is now only front and rear TOE directional adjustment. No longer Front Camber or Caster and no rear Camber !
....AND WHATS MORE WE'VE NOW MADE THE FRONT & REAR KITS NO SPECIAL TOOLS REQUIRED AND NO TIME CONSUMING ARM REMOVAL !
AUDI to VOLVO - K-MAC Experience Of Resolving OEM Suspension Shortcomings Since 1964 !
Majority Owners convinced surely the reassuring statement “Will Carry Out A Full Front & Rear ‘4’ Wheel Alignment” - means just that !
It’s new car industry's best kept secret - that there is now only front and rear TOE directional adjustment. No longer Front Camber or Caster and no rear Camber !
....AND WHATS MORE WE'VE NOW MADE THE FRONT & REAR KITS NO SPECIAL TOOLS REQUIRED AND NO TIME CONSUMING ARM REMOVAL !
AUDI to VOLVO - K-MAC Experience Of Resolving OEM Suspension Shortcomings Since 1964 !
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cotmfk (02-24-2024)
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Well it’s needed !!
Majority Owners convinced surely the reassuring statement “Will Carry Out A Full Front & Rear ‘4’ Wheel Alignment” - means just that !
It’s new car industry's best kept secret - that there is now only front and rear TOE directional adjustment. No longer Front Camber or Caster and no rear Camber !
....AND WHATS MORE WE'VE NOW MADE THE FRONT & REAR KITS NO SPECIAL TOOLS REQUIRED AND NO TIME CONSUMING ARM REMOVAL !
AUDI to VOLVO - K-MAC Experience Of Resolving OEM Suspension Shortcomings Since 1964 !
Majority Owners convinced surely the reassuring statement “Will Carry Out A Full Front & Rear ‘4’ Wheel Alignment” - means just that !
It’s new car industry's best kept secret - that there is now only front and rear TOE directional adjustment. No longer Front Camber or Caster and no rear Camber !
....AND WHATS MORE WE'VE NOW MADE THE FRONT & REAR KITS NO SPECIAL TOOLS REQUIRED AND NO TIME CONSUMING ARM REMOVAL !
AUDI to VOLVO - K-MAC Experience Of Resolving OEM Suspension Shortcomings Since 1964 !
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To resolve costly, premature edge tire wear or dial in extra Neg. Camber for Track days.
FRONT CAMBER & CASTER #502916K $480
FRONT CAMBER (ONLY) ...#502916-1i $345
(less cost then 1 hi-performance tire).
BACKGROUND - Front Caster bushes are also Monoball, self aligning and unlike urethane allow arms to travel through their required suspension arcs without binding / locking up and with subsequent significant improvement to Brake and Steering response.
For Track days / Competition (Coil Spring Suspension) - to further reduce understeer mnf. also replacement top strut mounts. Camber & Caster adjustable from engine bay Stage 2 Street / Race or Stage 3 Full Race.
REAR SUSPENSION (All incl. AMG & ✱4MATIC)
CAMBER (& Extra Toe to compensate) #502126K $480
NOTE: All K-MAC kits fit without need for special tools or arm removal.
Also Unique Patented Design - there is no more trial and error re aligning which has plagued the industry for years. Now with K-MAC it is easy access, single wrench precise adjustment. Ultimate - direct on alignment rack (UNDER LOAD) !
✱4MATIC Front Camber & Caster 503616K, Camber only 503616-1i.
DHL Express Air Worldwide $40 one kit ($60 Front & Rear)
AUDI to VOLVO - K-MAC Experience Of Resolving OEM Suspension Shortcomings Since 1964 !
Last edited by K-Mac; 02-24-2024 at 01:31 AM.
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All W212 models incl. AMG (kits are for both sides)
To resolve costly, premature edge tire wear or dial in extra Neg. Camber for Track days.
FRONT CAMBER & CASTER #502916K $480
FRONT CAMBER (ONLY) ...#502916-1i $345
(less cost then 1 hi-performance tire).
BACKGROUND - Front Caster bushes are also Monoball, self aligning and unlike urethane allow arms to travel through their required suspension arcs without binding / locking up and with subsequent significant improvement to Brake and Steering response.
For Track days / Competition (Coil Spring Suspension) - to further reduce understeer mnf. also replacement top strut mounts. Camber & Caster adjustable from engine bay Stage 2 Street / Race or Stage 3 Full Race.
REAR SUSPENSION (All incl. AMG & ✱4MATIC)
CAMBER (& Extra Toe to compensate) #502126K $480
NOTE: All K-MAC kits fit without need for special tools or arm removal.
Also Unique Patented Design - there is no more trial and error re aligning which has plagued the industry for years. Now with K-MAC it is easy access, single wrench precise adjustment. Ultimate - direct on alignment rack (UNDER LOAD) !
✱4MATIC Front Camber & Caster 503616K, Camber only 503616-1i.
DHL Express Air Worldwide $40 one kit ($60 Front & Rear)
AUDI to VOLVO - K-MAC Experience Of Resolving OEM Suspension Shortcomings Since 1964 !
To resolve costly, premature edge tire wear or dial in extra Neg. Camber for Track days.
FRONT CAMBER & CASTER #502916K $480
FRONT CAMBER (ONLY) ...#502916-1i $345
(less cost then 1 hi-performance tire).
BACKGROUND - Front Caster bushes are also Monoball, self aligning and unlike urethane allow arms to travel through their required suspension arcs without binding / locking up and with subsequent significant improvement to Brake and Steering response.
For Track days / Competition (Coil Spring Suspension) - to further reduce understeer mnf. also replacement top strut mounts. Camber & Caster adjustable from engine bay Stage 2 Street / Race or Stage 3 Full Race.
REAR SUSPENSION (All incl. AMG & ✱4MATIC)
CAMBER (& Extra Toe to compensate) #502126K $480
NOTE: All K-MAC kits fit without need for special tools or arm removal.
Also Unique Patented Design - there is no more trial and error re aligning which has plagued the industry for years. Now with K-MAC it is easy access, single wrench precise adjustment. Ultimate - direct on alignment rack (UNDER LOAD) !
✱4MATIC Front Camber & Caster 503616K, Camber only 503616-1i.
DHL Express Air Worldwide $40 one kit ($60 Front & Rear)
AUDI to VOLVO - K-MAC Experience Of Resolving OEM Suspension Shortcomings Since 1964 !
what about this one for the rear what’s the difference ?
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Yes manufacture upper rear Camber arms as well.
But unlike adjusting “lower arms” - upper reduces important clearance top of tire to outer fender when wanting to resolve premature inner edge wear.
Plus more difficult to fit / access.
Also time consuming to precisely adjust. Unlike our lower kits where it’s direct on alignment rack, under load, easily accessible single wrench.
So only really recommend for those wanting more not less negative Camber to allow fitment of extra wide tires !
Kevin
But unlike adjusting “lower arms” - upper reduces important clearance top of tire to outer fender when wanting to resolve premature inner edge wear.
Plus more difficult to fit / access.
Also time consuming to precisely adjust. Unlike our lower kits where it’s direct on alignment rack, under load, easily accessible single wrench.
So only really recommend for those wanting more not less negative Camber to allow fitment of extra wide tires !
Kevin
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Yes manufacture upper rear Camber arms as well.
But unlike adjusting “lower arms” - upper reduces important clearance top of tire to outer fender when wanting to resolve premature inner edge wear.
Plus more difficult to fit / access.
Also time consuming to precisely adjust. Unlike our lower kits where it’s direct on alignment rack, under load, easily accessible single wrench.
So only really recommend for those wanting more not less negative Camber to allow fitment of extra wide tires !
Kevin
But unlike adjusting “lower arms” - upper reduces important clearance top of tire to outer fender when wanting to resolve premature inner edge wear.
Plus more difficult to fit / access.
Also time consuming to precisely adjust. Unlike our lower kits where it’s direct on alignment rack, under load, easily accessible single wrench.
So only really recommend for those wanting more not less negative Camber to allow fitment of extra wide tires !
Kevin
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Kevin
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1,000’s sold. Like the new car industry it’s all about constant ongoing development. Of the many updates two of the most important have been emphasizing / after alignment the two bolts are checked for full tightness. Then the design breakthrough of a “fail safe lock system” unlike the majority of lock systems where the K-MAC once tightened it is “impossible for a bolt to inadvertently loosen” !
Kevin
Kevin
apparently it happens
Last edited by teecee1993; 02-25-2024 at 04:10 AM.
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I’ll be lowering my 2014 E63S RWD just wondering what are the things i’ll need to look out for like camber and i heard you gotta adjust the dynamic headlight sensor coz they will be facing up after lowering. I’ll be putting KW HAS kit in front and the rear i’ll adjust with the lowering module
Partially true, if you go to a standard place to get it online, will charge you several hundred dollars and literally just set the toe, something most normal people can do with a tape measure in the garage in a few minutes.
However there are several things you can do to adjust the camber.
You can use Mercedes crash bolts as they're commonly referred to, those allow a 0.3° change in camber and caster
But one huge thing you can do, I discovered in the video... how you tighten the two strut to knuckle bolts impacts your camber significantly. Most people use a jack to lift the suspension up to the strut and then they tighten it the bolts. This results in about a degree to a degree and a half extra negative camber.
What I showed in the video, is once those bolts are in there, but not tightened yet, let the suspension sag on its own weight again. Then tighten the bolts.
I literally have a set of k-max bushing sitting on my shelf uninstalled because my car is in spec with about 1.25 negative camber which is perfect for me.
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Partially true, if you go to a standard place to get it online, will charge you several hundred dollars and literally just set the toe, something most normal people can do with a tape measure in the garage in a few minutes.
However there are several things you can do to adjust the camber.
You can use Mercedes crash bolts as they're commonly referred to, those allow a 0.3° change in camber and caster
But one huge thing you can do, I discovered in the video... how you tighten the two strut to knuckle bolts impacts your camber significantly. Most people use a jack to lift the suspension up to the strut and then they tighten it the bolts. This results in about a degree to a degree and a half extra negative camber.
What I showed in the video, is once those bolts are in there, but not tightened yet, let the suspension sag on its own weight again. Then tighten the bolts.
I literally have a set of k-max bushing sitting on my shelf uninstalled because my car is in spec with about 1.25 negative camber which is perfect for me.
However there are several things you can do to adjust the camber.
You can use Mercedes crash bolts as they're commonly referred to, those allow a 0.3° change in camber and caster
But one huge thing you can do, I discovered in the video... how you tighten the two strut to knuckle bolts impacts your camber significantly. Most people use a jack to lift the suspension up to the strut and then they tighten it the bolts. This results in about a degree to a degree and a half extra negative camber.
What I showed in the video, is once those bolts are in there, but not tightened yet, let the suspension sag on its own weight again. Then tighten the bolts.
I literally have a set of k-max bushing sitting on my shelf uninstalled because my car is in spec with about 1.25 negative camber which is perfect for me.
On a general note to everyone; Negative camber does not prematurely wear out the inner aspect of your tire. It wears the inner aspect of your tire more so than the rest of it b/c that's where the tire is making contact with the ground. Excessive toe, on the other hand, will destroy your tires in a jiffy. Also, your car would corner like crap if you run no negative camber at all.