gaspam

looks pretty promising since its just a preliminary tune and they usually come up with revised stronger tunes later on

looks like they are picking up already about 100hp over stock... Also looks like the new motor likes to rev a lot higher than the M157 as this dyno has the car still producing power to 7000 while most m157 dynos end at 6200-6300






on the vid the 0 to 213 kph (132mph) is about 11-12 sec so looks like this car should be able to trap low 130s for 1/4 on just a tune

bobblehead

this is pretty insane

E634Me

Wonder what it does to motor longevity and warranty?

efiftyfizzle

Wow, that was fast... this car sounds like and makes similar power to the RS7 (go figure, it's the same motor setup). I'm wondering what the difference will be on the track with the two different transmission types.

Amg63-

Interesting results, just odd that the PP performance tuned w213 e63s did not fare well on the track with only 125mph trap speeds.

gaspam

i just put together a quick RS7 stage 1 tune vs E63 tune only comparison in excel and definitely pretty close under 4000 rpm, but after that, looks like E63 starts to gap out against the RS7 and then RS7 shifts 300 rpm sooner

Koru_Kinshi

Jesus Christ...

Koru_Kinshi

So far, my CLA has been tuned for over 40,000 miles with no trouble. Just had a full inspection done and so far she's golden. If it's anything like that, I think the E63 will do nicely.

gaspam

i also did comparison against RS7 stage 2 100oct (they are running low 10s/134-135) and it looks pretty close to this preliminary renntech tune only e63s (only difference is the trq bump for rs7 from 2000-4000rpm)

efiftyfizzle

I guess from this point it's all about weight, gearing and transmission. If this car isn't quicker/faster than the RS7 that's a major disappointment considering that car came out when the first 4matic E63s came out in 2014.

gaspam

i think its all going to be about transmission and how fast it can get off the line... honestly thats main thing holding W212 back from RS7 as well

gaspam

hmmm moscow 500 has some w213 e63s running and this one did great against tuned RS7, even beat it off the line and thats RS7 strong point... supposedly this w213 e63s is stock but who knows

gaspam

here is same stock e63 spanking a stage 2 M6..... that's pretty impressive! and the launch looks stout.... and nice 1/2 mile trap for stock! 153mph

gaspam

same w213 e63 vs stage 2 W212 CLS63...... W213 smokes the W212 on launch but the stage 2 W212 reals it in by the end (both around 127mph trap)

gaspam

for fun here is GAD CLS63 trapping 175mph in 1/2, take that allmotor_ram M5

ItalianJoe1

We had an AMG rep at the shop the other morning with a 2019 E63 development car, going over some basics. He did say, the car right now is faster 0-60 than the GT-R. They've got the launch control figured out.

Amg63-

I wonder if without using any launch methods if it launches any better/harder than the w212 e63s

subzero05

subscribed- interested to know pricing vs. the upcoming Dinan unit with their warranty

ItalianJoe1

The new engine seems more responsive off the line, but it's hard to say. There's no point comparing non-race start launches, as that's not the best of what either car is capable of, but I don't feel like the newer cars with the 177 have that built-in lag the 157 did from a dead stop if you weren't launching it.

The trans is very updated as well, and the MCT might have had a lot to do with that feeling in the older cars.

Amg63-

the only thing is that the newer 177 is also using the MCT trans (with extra 2 gears), not a torque converter auto.

By by nature the MCT has torque limits off the line to protect it from too much torque in the lower gears. Maybe now the w213 MCT is upgraded to be strong enough to not need the lag anymore from off the line like w212?

gaspam

all modern transmissions have torque limits imposed by tcu/ecu, not just MCT

the lag is a different story

Amg63-

Yes but isnt the lag a direct result of too much torque limitation?

Wondering since its still using MCT if that still may be there when not using a launch control type method to take off.

gaspam

lag and the trq limiting are 2 different things... the lag is something unique to the MCT vs the other MB trans i've had

my E55/C63 had significant torque limiting in it too, but no lag

Amg63-

I see, so i guess we will need to wait for some reviews to see if the new MCT has been strengthened/revised to no longer have it anymore.

I remember reading some early reviews saying that its still there to some extent...

gaspam

well in stock form, in the videos above from moscow unlim500, its cutting 1.6X 60fts on tarmac/street so it would seem its improved since tuned W212's have hard time doing that even on prepped tracks