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E53 AMG/CLS53 AMG oil temperature / oil consumption
Really curious your experience with this engine. Lots about 63, none about 53.
I have 6500km oil changed after 1000km so 5500km (3400miles) - zero oil consumption 5W30 Motul Specific 229.52, but 110*C (230*F) oil temp (90*C water (194*F)) during 12*C (54*F) on comfort mode regular driving in town or 110-115*C (230-239*F) on comfort highway speed (180-200km/h (112-125mph)) 15*C (59*F) is for me way too much (didn't even try sport and manual mode revving 6000rpms)... I changed the oil to 5W40 some time ago worried about temps, couldn't find more powerful in BEVO Mercedes specification to this engine than Ravenol 5W40 Racing Ultra Performance 229.51 and temperature dropped by 3-5*C. Gearbox so far 85-90*C
This engine has got 229.51/52/61/71 specification ... 71 is 0W20 which I heard was used only to meet fuel efficiency tests and better not use this oil in this engine what they told me in Mercedes dealership... You can find most oils in 5W30 specs, but 5W40, 0W30, 0W20 are also available across those 4 norms.
Id also be interested to know. I’m in Canada and the most idea oil would be the Mobil 1 ESP X3 0W-40 but unfortunately I cannot find it anywhere.
After searching some forums I noticed that dealership would still be putting in 229.52 5W-30 which in Canada seems like an not optimal oil due to the extreme temperature changes. 5W is ok with the cold of course but I don’t understand why even Mercedes is using the 5W-30 in an high performance engine. Like you said my older Mercedes all run Mobil 1 0W-40 and those are readily available everywhere.
Id also be interested to know. I’m in Canada and the most idea oil would be the Mobil 1 ESP X3 0W-40 but unfortunately I cannot find it anywhere.
After searching some forums I noticed that dealership would still be putting in 229.52 5W-30 which in Canada seems like an not optimal oil due to the extreme temperature changes. 5W is ok with the cold of course but I don’t understand why even Mercedes is using the 5W-30 in an high performance engine. Like you said my older Mercedes all run Mobil 1 0W-40 and those are readily available everywhere.
Welcome to the club, but I think initially they load even 0W20. Looking at BEVO link which provided - this Mobil 1 ESP X3 0W-40 is ON the list (and plenty of this oil available in Europe/Germany). Do you have CLS53? What are your temperatures? Also agree they pour 5W30 229.52 or 229.51 in Europe too for this car.
Refreshing this topic, anybody with 53 AMG engine can share some experience with oil, temperature, measurement, consumption?
I got 18 000km (11200mi), last oil change was 6000km (3750mi) ago. I always replace oil max till 10000km (6200mi). Running on Ravenol RUP 5W40 with 229.51 MB norm. What I can say is the fact that this electric engine oil gauge works upside down. Once you'll run a bit on an uphill or leave a car on even 1-10* uphill for a while you can expect to see 1/3rd oil so 2/3 oil consumed, downhill adds oil. You can drive the car 2-5 days until this electric gauge decides to recheck the oil, unless you add some (I have no idea how they did it but it detects even small amounts of oil added even 1 added drop it can detect) oil and force a recheck.
Really can't say if the car takes oil or not. Today I have 50% of oil (first time check after 6000km when car was showing full with exact 8.5L added), tomorrow I might have 90% just because. For the first time I added 100ml of oil to force oil gauge to recheck the level of oil on purpose.
I also saw that car wants to get to stabilize around 110*C (230*F) of oil temperature when temps are > 10*C (50*F), 100-105*C (212-221*F) is below 10*C (50*F), around 100*C (212*F) when temperatures are below 0*C (32*F). Gearbox is around 80*C (176*F) when fully "heated". Max temperature I saw was 115*C (238*F) and that was when I was using pads and SPORT+.
I had 1 ignition coil failure of 1st cylinder (good I was close to MB dealership so on 5 cylinders quickly got there), 1 rear shock absorber was replaced and rear right exhaust pipes were replaced because this black painting started to peel off.
I had 1 ignition coil failure of 1st cylinder (good I was close to MB dealership so on 5 cylinders quickly got there), 1 rear shock absorber was replaced and rear right exhaust pipes were replaced because this black painting started to peel off.
I would have had the car towed. At least on our old AMG a failed ignition coil allows unburnt fuel to pass through to the catalytic converter causing it to overheat and fail.
I would have had the car towed. At least on our old AMG a failed ignition coil allows unburnt fuel to pass through to the catalytic converter causing it to overheat and fail.
Normally I would have done it like this, but had 5-10min "free drive" to Mercedes Service from the moment ignition coil failed.
Refreshing this topic, anybody with 53 AMG engine can share some experience with oil, temperature, measurement, consumption?
I got 18 000km (11200mi), last oil change was 6000km (3750mi) ago. I always replace oil max till 10000km (6200mi). Running on Ravenol RUP 5W40 with 229.51 MB norm. What I can say is the fact that this electric engine oil gauge works upside down. Once you'll run a bit on an uphill or leave a car on even 1-10* uphill for a while you can expect to see 1/3rd oil so 2/3 oil consumed, downhill adds oil. You can drive the car 2-5 days until this electric gauge decides to recheck the oil, unless you add some (I have no idea how they did it but it detects even small amounts of oil added even 1 added drop it can detect) oil and force a recheck.
Really can't say if the car takes oil or not. Today I have 50% of oil (first time check after 6000km when car was showing full with exact 8.5L added), tomorrow I might have 90% just because. For the first time I added 100ml of oil to force oil gauge to recheck the level of oil on purpose.
I also saw that car wants to get to stabilize around 110*C (230*F) of oil temperature when temps are > 10*C (50*F), 100-105*C (212-221*F) is below 10*C (50*F), around 100*C (212*F) when temperatures are below 0*C (32*F). Gearbox is around 80*C (176*F) when fully "heated". Max temperature I saw was 115*C (238*F) and that was when I was using pads and SPORT+.
I had 1 ignition coil failure of 1st cylinder (good I was close to MB dealership so on 5 cylinders quickly got there), 1 rear shock absorber was replaced and rear right exhaust pipes were replaced because this black painting started to peel off.
my car also reaches 230F of oil temp while the transmission temp hover around 180-182. But around 230F the rpm when the car is stable almost reach 1000. Also is 230F for oil temp okay for this type of car or should it be lower?
2019 E53 AMG Coupe, 2014 MINI Cooper S 2dr, 2020 BMW M850i 2dr.
Originally Posted by F1le
Refreshing this topic, anybody with 53 AMG engine can share some experience with oil, temperature, measurement, consumption?
I got 18 000km (11200mi), last oil change was 6000km (3750mi) ago. I always replace oil max till 10000km (6200mi). Running on Ravenol RUP 5W40 with 229.51 MB norm. What I can say is the fact that this electric engine oil gauge works upside down. Once you'll run a bit on an uphill or leave a car on even 1-10* uphill for a while you can expect to see 1/3rd oil so 2/3 oil consumed, downhill adds oil. You can drive the car 2-5 days until this electric gauge decides to recheck the oil, unless you add some (I have no idea how they did it but it detects even small amounts of oil added even 1 added drop it can detect) oil and force a recheck.
Really can't say if the car takes oil or not. Today I have 50% of oil (first time check after 6000km when car was showing full with exact 8.5L added), tomorrow I might have 90% just because. For the first time I added 100ml of oil to force oil gauge to recheck the level of oil on purpose.
I also saw that car wants to get to stabilize around 110*C (230*F) of oil temperature when temps are > 10*C (50*F), 100-105*C (212-221*F) is below 10*C (50*F), around 100*C (212*F) when temperatures are below 0*C (32*F). Gearbox is around 80*C (176*F) when fully "heated". Max temperature I saw was 115*C (238*F) and that was when I was using pads and SPORT+.
I had 1 ignition coil failure of 1st cylinder (good I was close to MB dealership so on 5 cylinders quickly got there), 1 rear shock absorber was replaced and rear right exhaust pipes were replaced because this black painting started to peel off.
Hi I was hoping if you happen to get any updates. I do live in Canada and completed my oil change 5 months ago lots of driving in the summer currently at 8k since the oil change. I will be doing a change this week however my digital oil gauge was 1 day in the middle of min and max and yesterday I noticed it is just above minimum. Car has no issues runs very smooth but this got me thinking if the digital gauge is accurate at all.
Hi I was hoping if you happen to get any updates. I do live in Canada and completed my oil change 5 months ago lots of driving in the summer currently at 8k since the oil change. I will be doing a change this week however my digital oil gauge was 1 day in the middle of min and max and yesterday I noticed it is just above minimum. Car has no issues runs very smooth but this got me thinking if the digital gauge is accurate at all.
I have a 2019 E53 coupe with 77k on it.
I have 74k km on my car with regular oil change and sending it back to professional oil analysis. What I found out is that oil should be replaced somewhere between 7500km and 10000km on my car (it depends on oil, driving style etc). Digital gauge is an absolute pi** of sh** -> I heard from Mercedes that unless the car doesn't want to add oil you should ignore this digital gauge. Last time during oil change they put 8.5L (as it should) and it was MIN (Yes exactly MIN), so I decided to add 0.1L and it was just one level above MIN, so I decided to put rest 0.4L (9.0L total) and it was MAX, while from MIN to MAX you have 1L. How it measure it I have no idea.
One time when I had half I decided to add just 50ml to force measurement of the oil and it went up just to MAX. No idea how it works, but I no longer look on that.
2019 E53 AMG Coupe, 2014 MINI Cooper S 2dr, 2020 BMW M850i 2dr.
Originally Posted by F1le
I have 74k km on my car with regular oil change and sending it back to professional oil analysis. What I found out is that oil should be replaced somewhere between 7500km and 10000km on my car (it depends on oil, driving style etc). Digital gauge is an absolute pi** of sh** -> I heard from Mercedes that unless the car doesn't want to add oil you should ignore this digital gauge. Last time during oil change they put 8.5L (as it should) and it was MIN (Yes exactly MIN), so I decided to add 0.1L and it was just one level above MIN, so I decided to put rest 0.4L (9.0L total) and it was MAX, while from MIN to MAX you have 1L. How it measure it I have no idea.
One time when I had half I decided to add just 50ml to force measurement of the oil and it went up just to MAX. No idea how it works, but I no longer look on that.
I am completely agree with you, My Mercedes dealer has this crazy recommendation of 1 year or 20K for service which to me it is crazy (I understand oil technology and cars have gone forward still does not make sense). A good friend of mine has a german performance shop and he told me the exact same bring it for every 8-10k based on how you drive.
I am very sorry you had to go through this to me it is crazy and I am glad I asked cause I was about to go and but oil until next week (oil change appointment).
I am completely agree with you, My Mercedes dealer has this crazy recommendation of 1 year or 20K for service which to me it is crazy (I understand oil technology and cars have gone forward still does not make sense). A good friend of mine has a german performance shop and he told me the exact same bring it for every 8-10k based on how you drive.
I am very sorry you had to go through this to me it is crazy and I am glad I asked cause I was about to go and but oil until next week (oil change appointment).
wish there was a dip stick lol.
No issue, it turned out I have an alert in this topic so every time somebody write here I have an email.
Just make sure also you'll replace front & real axle oil too. 53 doesn't want to make it change like 63, which as I remember it wants to get it replaced every 60k km. Gear-box oil change arrives around 90-120k km.
2020 E63s Wagon, 2012 C63 AMG Coupe, 1989 560SL, 2023 911 Carrera T
I am just chiming in to add to the discussion about the digital oil meter. I am no expert but I have had some experience with the digital oil meter on my 992, and recently over on rennlist there was some discussion about how it works and what you can take away from it. It seems the way it works on the 992 at least is it will take a reading when the engine is off but still warm from recent use. There is a bit of a delay to allow for the oil to pool back into the pan for an accurate reading. My experience is that my digital oil meter always read close to max but after my most recent service I noticed it reading all over the place for a few cycles, anywhere from 25% to 90%, before finally setting at 80%. I am thinking the Mercedes system must work in a similar way.
On my E63 I have not paid much attention to the digital oil meter yet, most recently when I checked last week it was sitting at just about max. I did a 10k mile road trip in it this summer and had the oil changed before and after, no analysis done but nothing alarming found during the change post trip, but normally I am expecting only doing 5-6k miles a year and do the oil yearly. Also did gear and transfer box fluids at the same time since about to reach 40k miles on the car.
No issue, it turned out I have an alert in this topic so every time somebody write here I have an email.
Just make sure also you'll replace front & real axle oil too. 53 doesn't want to make it change like 63, which as I remember it wants to get it replaced every 60k km. Gear-box oil change arrives around 90-120k km.
Also to add on to change the oil for the transfer case.
My typical routine is oil change every 10k km, gearbox/transfer case/front diff/rear diff oil change every 40k km, sometimes it may stretch up to 50k (including the gearbox pan and filter)
I use Fuch Titan GT1 5W-40 which has MB approval 229.51 and 229.52.
For the oil digital gauge its agreed with everyone else... don't bother too much about it unless it prompts to add oil.
2019 E53 AMG Coupe, 2014 MINI Cooper S 2dr, 2020 BMW M850i 2dr.
Originally Posted by Arjy
I am just chiming in to add to the discussion about the digital oil meter. I am no expert but I have had some experience with the digital oil meter on my 992, and recently over on rennlist there was some discussion about how it works and what you can take away from it. It seems the way it works on the 992 at least is it will take a reading when the engine is off but still warm from recent use. There is a bit of a delay to allow for the oil to pool back into the pan for an accurate reading. My experience is that my digital oil meter always read close to max but after my most recent service I noticed it reading all over the place for a few cycles, anywhere from 25% to 90%, before finally setting at 80%. I am thinking the Mercedes system must work in a similar way.
On my E63 I have not paid much attention to the digital oil meter yet, most recently when I checked last week it was sitting at just about max. I did a 10k mile road trip in it this summer and had the oil changed before and after, no analysis done but nothing alarming found during the change post trip, but normally I am expecting only doing 5-6k miles a year and do the oil yearly. Also did gear and transfer box fluids at the same time since about to reach 40k miles on the car.
Wow appreciate the thoughts and sharing your experience, I was under the same impression that the engine should take some time to warm up and the oil can be measured, like most modern BMW and mini’s.
I will be sure to stay up with the maintenance on the transfer box along with the regular maintenance.
2019 E53 AMG Coupe, 2014 MINI Cooper S 2dr, 2020 BMW M850i 2dr.
Originally Posted by dagger22
Also to add on to change the oil for the transfer case.
My typical routine is oil change every 10k km, gearbox/transfer case/front diff/rear diff oil change every 40k km, sometimes it may stretch up to 50k (including the gearbox pan and filter)
I use Fuch Titan GT1 5W-40 which has MB approval 229.51 and 229.52.
For the oil digital gauge its agreed with everyone else... don't bother too much about it unless it prompts to add oil.
Really appreciate the thoughts and absolutely staying on top of maintenance is the key to a healthy car for sure.
Thank god I am not the only one having doubts about the digital gauge lol.
I have 74k km on my car with regular oil change and sending it back to professional oil analysis. What I found out is that oil should be replaced somewhere between 7500km and 10000km on my car (it depends on oil, driving style etc). Digital gauge is an absolute pi** of sh** -> I heard from Mercedes that unless the car doesn't want to add oil you should ignore this digital gauge. Last time during oil change they put 8.5L (as it should) and it was MIN (Yes exactly MIN), so I decided to add 0.1L and it was just one level above MIN, so I decided to put rest 0.4L (9.0L total) and it was MAX, while from MIN to MAX you have 1L. How it measure it I have no idea.
One time when I had half I decided to add just 50ml to force measurement of the oil and it went up just to MAX. No idea how it works, but I no longer look on that.
Use the level measurer in the Workshop Menu accessed by holding down the back and ok buttons for 10 seconds while the ignition is on
it's common for me to see 230-235 deg F oil temps just cruising in comfort at 70-80mph and 180 deg F gearbox temps. it sounded a little high to me, but seems common in the M256. in spirited driving it stays very stable and isn't any higher so seems that the oil cooler is working great.
i have also noticed when measuring through the service menu (regular bar, not the volume measurement) that it will show at the low and high end of the green range and is fairly random because i don't recall being on a hill or something. for me if it's in the green, it's good. i have ~5500 miles since my last oil change ~11 months ago by the dealer i bought from as a CPO (CPO service calls out MB 229.5 SAE 5) and will be doing the plugs and oil at the end of the year for the 5 year plug maintenance. i plan to send a sample to blackstone for peace of mind as it's very cheap.
i had the transfer case and both differentials serviced this year at ~33k miles and will do the gearbox next year at the six year mark.
2019 E53 AMG Coupe, 2014 MINI Cooper S 2dr, 2020 BMW M850i 2dr.
Originally Posted by Spacradon
Thank for sharing your thoughts after doing and oil change and running Tests there was no sign of oil loss.
My Tech mentioned not to be worried about the digital gauge as it works under perfect conditions such as temperature slope and more.
I noticed the following after the oil change and I believe now conditions are very important.
Cold Engine After Driving for a while
After the Oil change couple of weeks ago after driving in highway for around 20 minutes got the following for the first time, I ignored it once I arrived turn the car off and back on the message disappeared. (NOW I HAVE NO TRUST ON THIS LOL)
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