would u still buy a Mercedes if they no longer make a v8?
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would u still buy a Mercedes if they no longer make a v8?
would you? let's say mercedes went to a flat plane crank v6 and an electric motor combo. still an AMG? or would u go w/ bmw, porsche, audi and ect.........
what say you
what say you
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Aug 17, 2021, 11:41 AM
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AMG dies when the V8s die.
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Ultimately, probably yes, as others won't make V8s anymore, either. There won't be a new V6 or I6, either. Daimler etc. all have said they will not develop any new engines, so what they have is what we got. We already know the next C63 will be the M139 4-cylinder plus hybrid making about 645 HP for 10 seconds, and it will probably make its way into other AMGs. The power differentiation will come from the electric part, and the peak power will likely be short lived boost power as has become common in BEVs like the Taycan where max power is only available during launch control. The M139 is the only handbuilt engine left besides the V8. There was supposed to be a 73 series with a V8 hybrid, but the GT73 hasn't even been revealed yet, and instead the GT53 FL can be had with a V8 appearance package. I have a stinking suspicion that the V8 is gone for good after the recent announcement of suspending most 2022 V8 models other than the S Class.
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For sure. I’m sure MB will live on and make high performance vehicles regardless of powertrain. As much as I love the ICE and those awesome V8s, electric is the way of the future and superior in so many aspects. They will be less maintenance and should result in lower COG which should help handling and performance. We already know they are outperforming ICE in power and torque. Once they are able to make solid state batteries mainstream, that will be a game changer. The only thing that will need to catch up is the infrastructure of charging stations.
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Probably no MB for me. We have an E63s wagon and SL63 and will probably drive them forever. The drivetrain is what sets MB apart, not fit/finish, not interface, etc. We bought a used Volvo V60 Cross Country for our recreation property and it's just as good with the build, and an infinitely better user interface. And it has an incredible bumper to bumper warranty. Am intrigued by their plug in hybrids - maybe one day. But don't want to buy cars with blood batteries.
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AMG will perhaps have an issue rebranding itself, but the V8 hasn't necessarily been synonymous with AMG for a while. In their quest to increase sales, the brand has been watered down with the 35, 43, 45 and 53 models. They have more non-V8 models than V8 models now if I'm counting correctly. Pretty sure volume-wise of cars sold the non-V8s outnumber the V8s. On the other hand you have Ferrari and a Ferrari w/o a V8 or V12 is pretty much not a Ferrari. This is why Fiat spun it off, so the volume is low enough that Ferrari gets to negotiate their own CO2 reductions, and so that they don't lose their identity. Even so at some point they'll likely have to go V6 + hybrid and potentially fully electric. Judging by the Giulia they can also build exciting V6 engines, even though, they don't want you to call it a Ferrari engine.
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I'll keep buying AMGs as long as they keep getting faster.
Going electric represents a great opportunity to achieve that while dramatically reducing maintenance costs. I have trouble understanding how that isn't an unequivocal win.
Going electric represents a great opportunity to achieve that while dramatically reducing maintenance costs. I have trouble understanding how that isn't an unequivocal win.
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Jury is out on maintenance costs, still early. In exchange for engine/mechanical failures you will encounter a whirlwind of tech issues. Too much going on. Service departments are not going anywhere.
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fast is fun but w/o sound it's very boring. i driven teslas and after the 0-60 whoosh, boring as boring gets. have you ever driven the canyons going thru the gears, downshifting and upshifting, that sound is pure and simple. electric motors are utilitarian. for me w/o sound, ya might as well go from point a to b and skip the adventure.....
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I’m only here for the V8. I’d go back to BMW if there is no V8 option as I think BMW makes better 6 cylinder motors ie S58 in the current M3/4 and X3/4 (in my opinion)
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fast is fun but w/o sound it's very boring. i driven teslas and after the 0-60 whoosh, boring as boring gets. have you ever driven the canyons going thru the gears, downshifting and upshifting, that sound is pure and simple. electric motors are utilitarian. for me w/o sound, ya might as well go from point a to b and skip the adventure.....
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V8's were what drew me to the AMG brand in the first place. I loved the sophisticated German muscle car / hooligan nature of these cars. There are other brands if you're after handling. If you're after pure speed, get a Turbo S or a Plaid.
Absolutely zero interest in any MB product without a V8 (excl. the small compacts like the CLA45 in which engines are appropriate). I'd give a V8 American product a chance before a 4-pot hybrid "AMG."
Absolutely zero interest in any MB product without a V8 (excl. the small compacts like the CLA45 in which engines are appropriate). I'd give a V8 American product a chance before a 4-pot hybrid "AMG."
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Please let me know when an electric powered race car can do the 1/4 mile in the 3 second range. ICE is still the winner for all out performance by a long shot. You show me any electric vehicle and I can show you an ICE equipped vehicle that is faster. We are still a long ways away from full adaptation of electric vehicles. Hopefully there will be breakthroughs in charging or batteries because an electric vehicle will not work for me and many others that live in the US or those that drive more than 200 miles in a day.
The simplicity and longevity is very appealing but we have yet to see long term reliability or long term ownership costs. I think a more efficient power generation system will be the future and not plug and charge.
The simplicity and longevity is very appealing but we have yet to see long term reliability or long term ownership costs. I think a more efficient power generation system will be the future and not plug and charge.
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Please let me know when an electric powered race car can do the 1/4 mile in the 3 second range. ICE is still the winner for all out performance by a long shot. You show me any electric vehicle and I can show you an ICE equipped vehicle that is faster. We are still a long ways away from full adaptation of electric vehicles. Hopefully there will be breakthroughs in charging or batteries because an electric vehicle will not work for me and many others that live in the US or those that drive more than 200 miles in a day.
The simplicity and longevity is very appealing but we have yet to see long term reliability or long term ownership costs. I think a more efficient power generation system will be the future and not plug and charge.
The simplicity and longevity is very appealing but we have yet to see long term reliability or long term ownership costs. I think a more efficient power generation system will be the future and not plug and charge.
I agree that an alternative form or power generation is better than plug in. Personally I’d like to see hydrogen fuel cells lead the way. But that is still way too expensive to be mainstream.
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Please let me know when an electric powered race car can do the 1/4 mile in the 3 second range. ICE is still the winner for all out performance by a long shot. You show me any electric vehicle and I can show you an ICE equipped vehicle that is faster. We are still a long ways away from full adaptation of electric vehicles. Hopefully there will be breakthroughs in charging or batteries because an electric vehicle will not work for me and many others that live in the US or those that drive more than 200 miles in a day.
The simplicity and longevity is very appealing but we have yet to see long term reliability or long term ownership costs. I think a more efficient power generation system will be the future and not plug and charge.
The simplicity and longevity is very appealing but we have yet to see long term reliability or long term ownership costs. I think a more efficient power generation system will be the future and not plug and charge.
