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Old Mar 14, 2022 | 02:28 PM
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Old Mar 14, 2022 | 05:48 PM
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Why are they coy about "total" horsepower?

470 kW, gains a powerful, electrifying ally that brings a further 150 kW
That's works out to ~831 hp, right?

Also they note the battery is 6.1 kWh which is ~1/3rd the capacity of, for example, an XC90 T8 hybrid SUV.

So I guess that extra ~200 hp isn't for getting to the grocery store efficiently but is all about performance?!

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One more question, do you think the fact that the front engine bay is unchanged implies that the wagon will be available in both this "E" hybrid performance variant as well as the the 4.0L ICE variant?
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Old Mar 14, 2022 | 06:20 PM
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Wonder if you can tune them
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Old Mar 14, 2022 | 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by allanmac
Why are they coy about "total" horsepower?



That's works out to ~831 hp, right?

Also they note the battery is 6.1 kWh which is ~1/3rd the capacity of, for example, an XC90 T8 hybrid SUV.

So I guess that extra ~200 hp isn't for getting to the grocery store efficiently but is all about performance?!
Because it's not sustained power or even guaranteed. This is the dirty secret with these new E Performance models. The total power is only available for 10 seconds. Sustained power is lower. And if the battery charge gets low you are left with only the ICE power. The battery effectively discharges over a full tank, so then if you fill up, but not charge the battery you will also be down on power until you can charge the battery again.
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Old Mar 14, 2022 | 07:17 PM
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Because it's not sustained power or even guaranteed
That sounds right.

A reply in the AMG forum states there are 4 battery regeneration modes ranging from nothing all the way to full "single-pedal" mode where the electric motor is maximally charging (and implicitly braking) when the accelerator is lifted.
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Because it's not sustained power or even guaranteed. This is the dirty secret with these new E Performance models. The total power is only available for 10 seconds. Sustained power is lower. And if the battery charge gets low you are left with only the ICE power. The battery effectively discharges over a full tank, so then if you fill up, but not charge the battery you will also be down on power until you can charge the battery again.
…and don’t forget you’re still dragging around that extra 400lbs of hybrid hardware when the battery is dead.
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Old Mar 14, 2022 | 10:56 PM
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…and don’t forget you’re still dragging around that extra 400lbs of hybrid hardware when the battery is dead.
Exactly, this is why hybrid cars have poor energy efficiency…
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Exactly, this is why hybrid cars have poor energy efficiency…
Yeah, even before that this is inertia that doesn't just magically disappear. This is a heavy boat.
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It appears all AMG vehicles are going mild, to full Hybrid, then completely EV.. This sounds like the evolution to what the E53 has going on.

I imagine that full performance mode will be able to be recharged, while driving, when used in short bursts. I also imagine that track day or extended full power usage will require the use of the wall charger. I am also going to guess there will be a very limited range, normal econo car HP, full EV mode. This mode will also require the use of the wall charger.

I’m going to guess “one man one motor” eventually disappears too.

The tech in these cars is advancing so fast. Straight line performance will be amazing. Handling will be interesting until the tech goes to Jenny Craig and keeps it off.
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Man, I can't help but be sad reading this thread about what the future holds.
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Man, I can't help but be sad reading this thread about what the future holds.
May not be too bad as we still have the choice: keep the mighty V8 until the transitional hybrid story is over…
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Old Mar 16, 2022 | 06:25 AM
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+1 the V8! have read somewhere the next C63 will be a 4 banger
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Originally Posted by nw66
+1 the V8! have read somewhere the next C63 will be a 4 banger
Ya unfortunately that is confirmed, still have high hopes for the E63 though, unlikely it is losing its V8.
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+1 the V8! have read somewhere the next C63 will be a 4 banger
Is it about #of cylinders or overall performance? If they produce a better car with better performance, does it really matter, past nostalgia?

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Originally Posted by superswiss
Because it's not sustained power or even guaranteed. This is the dirty secret with these new E Performance models. The total power is only available for 10 seconds. Sustained power is lower. And if the battery charge gets low you are left with only the ICE power. The battery effectively discharges over a full tank, so then if you fill up, but not charge the battery you will also be down on power until you can charge the battery again.
I wish you can disconnect the battery while you are not using it and leave it home that way you get the best of both worlds. Reminds me of removable batteries on smartphones, lawn mowers etc. (but I guess probably not feasible on a hybrid vehicle plus there might be liability issues).
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I wish you can disconnect the battery while you are not using it and leave it home that way you get the best of both worlds. Reminds me of removable batteries on smartphones, lawn mowers etc. (but I guess probably not feasible on a hybrid vehicle plus there might be liability issues).
True, ICE only, or the EV only is a better solution than the hybrid. Car industry is taking this hybrid approach (the lowest energy efficiency) as temporary fix until we get the new battery technology enabling the longer range.
My 2c is to stick to the mighty V8 until .. … we get better performance than the existing V8 plus the range of about 500 miles and battery charging time below 15;minutes..
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Is it about #of cylinders or overall performance? If they produce a better car with better performance, does it really matter, past nostalgia?
can you imagine a C63 without the V8 growl, sad day
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can you imagine a C63 without the V8 growl, sad day
I can imagine a C/E/S Class AMG AWD, with a straight 6, larger turbos and plug in hybrid motors at the rear. I can imagine 650hp daily setting and 850hp track setting. I can imagine 21/29 mpg. I imagine it sounding like a straight 6 race car. I also imaging a 1000hp EV with piped in sound of your choice.
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I can imagine a C/E/S Class AMG AWD, with a straight 6, larger turbos and plug in hybrid motors at the rear. I can imagine 650hp daily setting and 850hp track setting. I can imagine 21/29 mpg. I imagine it sounding like a straight 6 race car. I also imaging a 1000hp EV with piped in sound of your choice.
I've seen the engine bay of the new C Class. No way an I6 fits in there.
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I've seen the engine bay of the new C Class. No way an I6 fits in there.
Any pics or dimensions?
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Originally Posted by 0002s
I can imagine a C/E/S Class AMG AWD, with a straight 6, larger turbos and plug in hybrid motors at the rear. I can imagine 650hp daily setting and 850hp track setting. I can imagine 21/29 mpg. I imagine it sounding like a straight 6 race car. I also imaging a 1000hp EV with piped in sound of your choice.
maybe you should buy a tesla because you'll be waiting a long time for a Mercedes to build a car with those specs
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maybe you should buy a tesla because you'll be waiting a long time for a Mercedes to build a car with those specs
i imagine we’ll see this in 5 years.
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