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Old Jun 2, 2023 | 06:27 PM
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I’ll investigate once the wagon comes in. Mercedes likes to reuse brackets and its even more unlikely they would create separate parts for each of the W213 AMG variants.
May be true, but the front end body panels and bumper are unique to the E63. AFAIK, E53 front end is identical to the standard E-Class (except of course the grille...).

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Old Jun 2, 2023 | 06:44 PM
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Was hoping it was a mistake and rectified for 2023. People (heck, entire departments) should be fired over the placement of that camera. 😂

I've literally lost sleep trying to figure out the rationale behind this design faux pas.

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Old Jun 2, 2023 | 06:51 PM
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Old Jun 2, 2023 | 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ocdbroker
Was hoping it was a mistake and rectified for 2023. People (heck, entire departments) should be fired over the placement of that camera. 😂

I've literally lost sleep trying to figure out the rationale behind this design faux pas.
A wild guess here, but the radar assembly is directly behind he star and the radio dynamics might have dictated a larger star than would fit in the grill and allowed room for the camera at the 12 o'clock position. That said, if you look at the grill for the S63 the lack of asymmetry for the camera and radar assembly is much worse that our wagons.
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Old Jun 2, 2023 | 08:12 PM
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You're right, Harris. What an absolute atrocity. No excuse for this shoddy design.
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Old Jun 2, 2023 | 08:21 PM
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Thats nasty… I’ll gladly take the wagon
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Old Jun 2, 2023 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by HBerman
A wild guess here, but the radar assembly is directly behind he star and the radio dynamics might have dictated a larger star than would fit in the grill and allowed room for the camera at the 12 o'clock position. That said, if you look at the grill for the S63 the lack of asymmetry for the camera and radar assembly is much worse that our wagons.
Was that a LiDAR sensor on the S 63 E Performance though, it is for the level 3 autonomous driving right, you don't have to option it? Unless you are talking about the W222 S 63?
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Old Jun 2, 2023 | 11:56 PM
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The camera location on AMG Wagon doesn't bother me. As long as it functions to Spec.

The camera location on the Navy F-14 Tomcat was placed right beneath the RADAR Nose Cone. Years later on the F-18 Hornet we placed the Camera which is part of the ATFLIR Pod beneath the fuselage somewhat off-axis. The ATFLIR Performance is Legendary and that ugly Pod, an afterthought, was even able to track UFOs before they hit their portals and disappeared into another dimension... LOL.

@I.T. Guy and other Canadians: anyone crossing the Dominion to attend the F1 GP event at Montreal? Unfortunately my Wagon will be in transit between DFW and ATL on raceday. I hope to catch the Miami GP next year. Mechanical Engineer underclassman had excellent VIP seats from that weekend...she married the Mayor of West Palm Beach! Vegas is just 10-hours away and maybe someday will catch F1 at COTA...
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Originally Posted by Drone_S213
The camera location on AMG Wagon doesn't bother me. As long as it functions to Spec.

The camera location on the Navy F-14 Tomcat was placed right beneath the RADAR Nose Cone. Years later on the F-18 Hornet we placed the Camera which is part of the ATFLIR Pod beneath the fuselage somewhat off-axis. The ATFLIR Performance is Legendary and that ugly Pod, an afterthought, was even able to track UFOs before they hit their portals and disappeared into another dimension... LOL.

@I.T. Guy and other Canadians: anyone crossing the Dominion to attend the F1 GP event at Montreal? Unfortunately my Wagon will be in transit between DFW and ATL on raceday. I hope to catch the Miami GP next year. Mechanical Engineer underclassman had excellent VIP seats from that weekend...she married the Mayor of West Palm Beach! Vegas is just 10-hours away and maybe someday will catch F1 at COTA...
Canadian here, sounds fun but too bad I can't attend, I will be busy. Hopefully forum member I.T. Guy will be able to though.
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Old Jun 5, 2023 | 11:01 PM
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1 of 12 final editions seen in the wild not sold. I thought all canadian spec 12 FE’s were all CCB but this one has the black calipers steel brakes…

https://www.mbontario.com/inventory/...zh8kb8pb131906

2 FE’s in Alberta that i know of both have CCB’s both accounted for one is a sedan another is my wagon.
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Old Jun 5, 2023 | 11:15 PM
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Old Jun 5, 2023 | 11:38 PM
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Link is from a California dealer
Fail on my part. I searched e63s canada and saw Ontario thinking it was the province not the city…
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Old Jun 6, 2023 | 03:08 PM
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Old Jun 6, 2023 | 04:51 PM
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@I.T. Guy what is your early impression in the 213 vs 212 ? Anything u really don’t like on the 213 ?
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Old Jun 6, 2023 | 05:07 PM
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@I.T. Guy what is your early impression in the 213 vs 212 ? Anything u really don’t like on the 213 ?
It's BIG.
Driving into my tiny 20x20 made for the city garage is still unnerving LOL and I used to whip our GL in and out no problem. Getting used to all the sensors screaming at me with inches on each side - the hood bulges make it odd so I can't tell where the fenders stick out to and I don't want to learn the hard way.

Yeah that's about it so far, the front is a real big baloon compared to my old car. Otherwise I don't have much seat time it's been getting corrected and sealed the last couple days, should be done today! Then I need to get the B pillars PPF'd they were all swirled to hell somehow by the dealer/ppf guys in the 2km they had it for LOL. And the black side badges were all swirled too - all fixed up. Inside I did end up coating it all soft surfaces, it looks awesome.

Tomorrow hopefully is my first day to work in it UNLESS my photographer friend lines up a photo shoot for me then I will not drive it until then...... it is as perfect as it's ever going to be right now, everything corrected by my detailer with only 17km total on the odo

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Old Jun 6, 2023 | 05:10 PM
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oh and I still sometimes think about not having the sun package and the Dinamica headliner, I think I've figured out they are the only two missing options. I have a VIN of a car that has the same interior as me only with the shades with Dinamica - so........ will see about that one day -maybe.

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^^^Great observations. My full-sized Range Rover feels more nimble and easier to drive. And W212 feels like a 911 compared to W213. Amazing all-arounder, of course, but SUV-feel is biggest drawback IMHO.
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Old Jun 6, 2023 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by I.T. Guy
It's BIG.
Driving into my tiny 20x20 made for the city garage is still unerving LOL and I used to whip our GL in and out no problem. Getting used to all the sensors screaming at me with inches on each side - the hood bulges make it odd so I can's tell where the fenders stick out to and I don't want to learn the hard way.

Yeah that's about it so far, the front is a real big baloon compared to my old car. Otherwise I don't have much seat time it's been getting corrected and sealed the last couple days, should be done today! Then I need to get the B pillars PPF'd they were all swirled to hell somehow by the dealer/ppf guys in the 2km they had it for LOL. And the black side badges were all swirled too - all fixed up. Inside I did end up coating it all soft surfaces, it looks awesome.

Tomorrow hopefully is my first day to work in it UNLESS my photographer friend lines up a photo shoot for me then I will not drive it until then...... it is as perfect as it's ever going to be right now, everything corrected by my detailer with only 17km total on the odo
The wagon is 16 feet × 7 feet. You could always turn the cameras on to see your perimeter obstacles. My garage is 21 feet deep and the wagon fits with no issue. I have a tire bump stop on the floor so I get to the same parking position every time. I agree about the hood bulge, but it's supposed to convey a feeling of power to the driver.
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@I.T. Guy What do your tweeters look like? In my 2020 E53 they were Burmester (non-rotating), in this one they're just plain black tweeters. I'm gonna get them replaced, I immediately noticed a difference when I swapped cars, and that was just with a podcast.

When I swapped cars I also noticed an SUV feel, which is odd because I left a 2020 E53. So maybe it's a pre vs post FL thing. It takes a few weeks before you forget about it.
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Old Jun 7, 2023 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ocdbroker
^^^Great observations. My full-sized Range Rover feels more nimble and easier to drive. And W212 feels like a 911 compared to W213. Amazing all-arounder, of course, but SUV-feel is biggest drawback IMHO.
I thought you may have been exaggerating but you are not.

Today was my first real world drive - took my son to school, then went to the office. My W212 feels like a slot car compared to this thing. I put the stiffest shock setting, made sure it wasn't raised, and yeah it's night and day. The W212 feels like a sports car. I'm gussing lowering will only help me go through tires faster and scraping the front end. Heh.

Oh well like @LMinn says hopefully I'll get used to it. Or maybe I will just need a real sports car now. I got away with having one car for a looooooooong time because it filled my driving needs. This new one so far, not so much, it's more of an appliance then a drivers car.

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@I.T. Guy What do your tweeters look like? In my 2020 E53 they were Burmester (non-rotating), in this one they're just plain black tweeters. I'm gonna get them replaced, I immediately noticed a difference when I swapped cars, and that was just with a podcast.

When I swapped cars I also noticed an SUV feel, which is odd because I left a 2020 E53. So maybe it's a pre vs post FL thing. It takes a few weeks before you forget about it.
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Wagon's can't get the 3D super sound package
The doors are the metal round ones, the triangles are just black normal tweeters.
Let me know what you find on the rotating ones.

ALSO

How come the E53 had the nice turbo vents, and our E63 has the lame normal horizontal slots? Are yours horizontal too? It's like it's backwards.

I think the factory is just emptying random parts bins to build cars. lol.
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Originally Posted by I.T. Guy
Just plain
Wagon's can't get the 3D super sound package
The doors are the metal round ones, the triangles are just black normal tweeters.
Let me know what you find on the rotating ones.

ALSO

How come the E53 had the nice turbo vents, and our E63 has the lame normal horizontal slots? Are yours horizontal too? It's like it's backwards.

I think the factory is just emptying random parts bins to build cars. lol.
Pictures??

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I.T. Guy, I did exaggerate by saying my RR feels more nimble. I only meant to say it's easier to drive based on visibility. It definitely doesn't feel more nimble but the seating position and big windows makes it easier to maneuver. Looking over the hood versus looking into the hood makes a big difference. Hopefully, you'll get accustomed to the feel. These are impeccable highway cruisers. If your use case is lots of highway driving you won't be disappointed. Torture keeping under 90MPH though. If only we lived close to the autobahn.

These cars offer a great all-around user experience. Whether you keep it forever or just a short time you'll never be sorry to have owned one. They have character (although Mercedes strips more and more away with each iteration) and are quite memorable.

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Normal tweeter above (my car), 3d below (internet pic).
3D not available in Wagon as there is nowhere to put the rear shelf speakers since there is no rear shelf.


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