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Old May 9, 2025 | 09:06 AM
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Final Edition V2 lol!!!

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Remember the days when we never had to worry about the next generation v8 E63 coming out? It was just presumed that it was gonna come out and it was gonna be faster and better looking and have more technology and all the things?

Ah yes, those were the days.

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Originally Posted by I.T. Guy
https://www.carscoops.com/2025/05/amg-v8s-arent-going-anywhere-boss-promises-new-models-on-the-horizon/

Final Edition V2 lol!!!

Awesome.
That is a full U-Turn and I am glad they did that, bring it on!
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Old May 9, 2025 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by PeterUbers
https://www.carscoops.com/2025/05/am...n-the-horizon/

Remember the days when we never had to worry about the next generation v8 E63 coming out? It was just presumed that it was gonna come out and it was gonna be faster and better looking and have more technology and all the things?

Ah yes, those were the days.
Good days!
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Hopefully the next V8 is only paired with a 100-200lb battery for an electric turbo and ISG, rather than a 800lb battery they've been favoring recently. Lugging and limping around all that weight for 50-60mi EV range with a electric weak motor isn't appealing for lots of reasons.

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Originally Posted by taphil
Hopefully the next V8 is only paired with a 100-200lb battery for an electric turbo and ISG, rather than a 800lb battery they've been favoring recently. Lugging and limping around all that weight for 50-60mi EV range with a electric weak motor isn't appealing for lots of reasons.
Yes weight is the main issue they should deal with right now but are they saving those weight savings for the Black Series?
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Originally Posted by taphil
Hopefully the next V8 is only paired with a 100-200lb battery for an electric turbo and ISG, rather than a 800lb battery they've been favoring recently. Lugging and limping around all that weight for 50-60mi EV range with a electric weak motor isn't appealing for lots of reasons.
I agree, and it seems that MB/AMG does as well! With a flat-plane it seems to be a high-revving engine with mild-hybrid for torque fill by electric turbo and/or ISG, which would be awesome:

The company is also developing the engine to work with a 48-volt mild-hybrid system that could incorporate a starter motor into the gearbox, while also adding some extra power and better efficiency.

Schiebe reinforced the idea that AMG won’t go all-in on hybridization with this engine. In his words, they don’t “necessarily need to go that far on hybridization”
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
I agree, and it seems that MB/AMG does as well! With a flat-plane it seems to be a high-revving engine with mild-hybrid for torque fill by electric turbo and/or ISG, which would be awesome:

The company is also developing the engine to work with a 48-volt mild-hybrid system that could incorporate a starter motor into the gearbox, while also adding some extra power and better efficiency.

Schiebe reinforced the idea that AMG won’t go all-in on hybridization with this engine. In his words, they don’t “necessarily need to go that far on hybridization”
The only problem then would be the sound, I mean if you heard the AMG GT Black Series, it didn't sound that nice.
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The only problem then would be the sound, I mean if you heard the AMG GT Black Series, it didn't sound that nice.
agreed. BMW somehow made "doesn't sound good" profitable in their Latest M Line with just killing it in performance and injecting digital soundtracks into the cabin / I'm sure this Benz series will have the same.
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agreed. BMW somehow made "doesn't sound good" profitable in their Latest M Line with just killing it in performance and injecting digital soundtracks into the cabin / I'm sure this Benz series will have the same.
I mean flatplane can sound good, for example was it the Corvette?
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Ferrari flat plane sound killer

With a flat plane and light mini hybrid boost the next GT could be a 296 killer
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Originally Posted by W205C43PFL
I mean flatplane can sound good, for example was it the Corvette?
Both Z06 and Mustang GT350 have/had flat-plane V8s that sound great. And of course Ferraris, McLarens...the German examples are exceptions to the rule.
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
Both Z06 and Mustang GT350 have/had flat-plane V8s that sound great. And of course Ferraris, McLarens...the German examples are exceptions to the rule.
Oh I knew the Corvette was one of it, thanks. Which stinks because we like German cars (we as in forum members).
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Originally Posted by I.T. Guy
Ferrari flat plane sound killer

With a flat plane and light mini hybrid boost the next GT could be a 296 killer
Very curious how MB will tune the sound of the flatplane V8s of future AMGs, I mean hopefully better than the GT Black Series.
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
Both Z06 and Mustang GT350 have/had flat-plane V8s that sound great. And of course Ferraris, McLarens...the German examples are exceptions to the rule.
@superswiss said it (new Benz Flat-Plane) sounded like a weed whacker or something of that sort when heard from the outside but sounds better inside

im sure he will correct me here shortly
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Originally Posted by PeterUbers
@superswiss said it (new Benz Flat-Plane) sounded like a weed whacker or something of that sort when heard from the outside but sounds better inside

im sure he will correct me here shortly
He posted a video of him driving on the track let me see if I can find it.
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thank you - I stand corrected / he said:

"Certainly emotional behind the steering wheel, but it was a bit off putting when stepping out and it sounded nothing like this on the outside. Not necessarily anything wrong with that. It's made to be enjoyed by the driver and not annoy the bystanders."
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thank you - I stand corrected / he said:

"Certainly emotional behind the steering wheel, but it was a bit off putting when stepping out and it sounded nothing like this on the outside. Not necessarily anything wrong with that. It's made to be enjoyed by the driver and not annoy the bystanders."
You're welcome ya sadly newer cars are all about who makes the best speakers not best exhausts.
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You're welcome ya sadly newer cars are all about who makes the best speakers not best exhausts.
as we move through our world, it's all artificial, artificial intelligence, artificial sounds, virtual experiences, so to speak to some degre. not a big deal really, but to some degree sitting in a high-powered vehicle is somewhat virtual as well. It is what it is.
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Originally Posted by PeterUbers
as we move through our world, it's all artificial, artificial intelligence, artificial sounds, virtual experiences, so to speak to some degre. not a big deal really, but to some degree sitting in a high-powered vehicle is somewhat virtual as well. It is what it is.
Getting close to Wall.E
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Getting close to Wall.E
And ready player one ...
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