Tire rankings - What's best performance, value
The costs are my estimate of total cost (tire, shipping, mounting) for my E55 fitment. Your mileage may vary based on location and tire size, but this gives at least a way to compare which are more and less expensive.
The first comparison is based on cost, so it's fairly objective. Lowest prices first.
General Exclaim UHP $720.20
Nitto 555 $752.00
Vredestein Sessanta $858.24
Falken 615 $864.00
Kumho XS $920.00
Kumho MX $921.00
Dunlop Direzza Star $1,004.00
Kumho XS $920.00
Falken 615 $864.00
Kumho MX $921.00
Vredestein Sessanta $858.24
General Exclaim UHP $720.20
Nitto 555 $752.00
Nexen N3000 $579.22
Please note that comments like "tire X has much better grip than tire Y and for only $100 more" are much more helpful to everyone than "tire X sucks" or "why would you put tire Y on a Mercedes."
Last edited by saintz; Mar 21, 2009 at 06:53 PM.
Michelin PS2
It seems a lot of people suggest the PS2 when the question of tires comes up. However, most head to head tests show the PS2 performing below tires such as the Dunlop Direzza or Kumho MX/XS. And it costs significantly more. So I excluded it from comparison as being a poor value and a lesser performer than other tires here. Unless I'm missing something.
Dunlop and Kumho XS/MX all seem to offer roughly the same performance at roughly the same (higher) cost. Generally, it seems Kumho is a better value, Dunlop a better performer.
Falken 615
I used to run these on my WRX, and the traction was amazing. Most complaints about this tire are the short life, but I never found this to be an issue. Nothing here is exactly "long life," and the Falken is a good price considering it's a top performing tire (particularly autox).
Vredestein
I have little experience with this tire, but all comments seem to be positive. Good price, good wear, and everyone reports good performance. That's hard to quantify, so I took a guess. Can anyone report how these compare to, say, the Kumho MX? I am very tempted to go with these.
General Exclaim
I have these on my rear currently. They're a pretty good price, handle fine, and the yellow traction control triangle blinks less than it did with Toyo T1R tires. I'm thinking of switching, not necessarily for better cornering performance, but for better traction on launches. If a different tire would keep the ESP from kicking in as much, that might be worthwhile.
Nito 555
I have very little experience with these, but price is good and some people really like the performance.
Nexen N3000
These are dirt cheap (notice the order of magnitude difference), and my local place suggested these as a good budget option. A lot of folks from the BMW M3 crowd seem happy with these, but it appears most Mercedes (particularly E55 and other high torque cars) report less satisfaction. My guess here is the Nexen has good lateral traction (i.e. handles ok on an M3), but poor front/rear traction (i.e. the traction control is always busy on a high torque car such as the Mercedes, although it might perform ok on the low torque M3). That would also indicate poor braking performance, if it's the case. I'm somewhat adverse to these, because I have a feeling I'll get annoyed at the ESP cutting power, but the idea of a cheap tire where you don't have to worry as much about burning them out is nice.
Any other takes, opinions, or experience? Or other options?
Last edited by saintz; Mar 21, 2009 at 07:01 PM.
I LOVE BFGoodrich KDW-2's. They look and perform outstanding, but get noisy around 10k miles on the tires.
Nitto's are a good bet also.
They are a great all-around tire even though they're rated as a high-performance summer tire. I drove in the rain going up Hwy 1 last year at a pretty brisk pace and they were great. I've got them on my 2 Porsches, a 96 911 and an 89 944 and plan on a set for my E350 in the next few weeks. They are smooth, quiet, have excellent steering response and are wearing very well. Absolutely fantastic tire. And a bargain to boot. By the way, Hello! First post here.
Last edited by starcarnut; Mar 22, 2009 at 05:16 PM.
Personally I'd exclude everything below the Kumho MX/XS other than maybe the General. I'd suggest also considering the Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric tires.
Michelin PS2
It seems a lot of people suggest the PS2 when the question of tires comes up. However, most head to head tests show the PS2 performing below tires such as the Dunlop Direzza or Kumho MX/XS. And it costs significantly more. So I excluded it from comparison as being a poor value and a lesser performer than other tires here. Unless I'm missing something............
Any other takes, opinions, or experience? Or other options?
1) wear well
2) wear even
3) Quite
4) No issues with them
I pulled 2 full sets of tires that were "listed" due to cupping, and noise/harshness.
So I would not discount the Michelins as an option.
Perhaps that's why so many Mercedes owners will recommend them.
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Personally I'd exclude everything below the Kumho MX/XS other than maybe the General. I'd suggest also considering the Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric tires.
I also had the Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3s, which were fine, but wore out VERY quickly. Less than a year and a half, and that's without using them in wintertime.
I'd really avoid the KD-W2s; the complaints about noise are way too prevalent for me to have ignored them. The other tires you mention I have no experience with, unfortunately.
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I'm still up in the air, though. Need to research more.
I also had the Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3s, which were fine, but wore out VERY quickly. Less than a year and a half, and that's without using them in wintertime.
I'd really avoid the KD-W2s; the complaints about noise are way too prevalent for me to have ignored them. The other tires you mention I have no experience with, unfortunately.
Sumitomo HTR3 $718.20
General Exclaim UHP $720.20
Nitto 555 $752.00
Vredestein Sessanta $858.24
Falken 615 $864.00
Kumho XS $920.00
Kumho MX $921.00
BFG KDW $934.20
Eagle Asymmetric $988.20
Dunlop Direzza Star $1,004.00
Kumho XS $920.00
Falken 615 $864.00
Kumho MX $921.00
Eagle Asymmetric $988.20
Vredestein Sessanta $858.24
BFG KDW $934.20
Sumitomo HTR3 $718.20
General Exclaim UHP $720.20
Nitto 555 $752.00
Nexen N3000 $579.22
The Sumitomo looks like a really good value, too.

If you went by what manufacturers do, all BMWs used on the track would be sporting runflats - I don't see it as a valid criterion at all. If that were true, I'd still be using Contisports. Ugh!
RedG - glad to hear that you've had bette results with the KDW2s. To me, the vast number of bad reviews was enough to scare me away from them, even though I love the tread pattern.
My second biggest concern is what tommy pointed out. Michelin seems to get absurd deals with manufacturers for OEM tires. Continental seems pretty good at this game when it comes to BMW and certain other makers. The Michelin marketing book basically looks like this:
Step 1, Option 1: Make dangerously bad tires and sell them to Honda, Toyota, and others at a very low price for their budget cars (Corolla, Civic, etc.).
Step 1, Option 2: Make high performance tires and sell them to BMW, Porsche, etc.
Step 2: When someone needs a replacement, they are more likely to select Michelin since they are "OEM." Charge a premium price for the tire.
This isn't too say the PS2 is a bad tire, or that it doesn't have a good blend of performance, life, NVH, etc. But I simply don't like the marketing scheme that they effectively bribe Mercedes into carrying the tire (by selling it at a lower than market price) in order to pickup future sales, which they later sell well above competition prices. In economic terms, they basically dump the OEM market so they can have limited monopolistic power over the re-purchase market. Even if they made the "best" tire, I still don't like the idea of buying their product for this reason. Further, most objective metrics (such as the Tire Rack performance ratings) suggest tires costing half as much perform better. And after seeing how bad their budget OEM tires are, I am very hesitant to try any other products.
This isn't to knock anyone using Michelin, as they might make the best "all-around" tire for a specific driver, but for me the value/performance has never been there.
I need to replace my P Zero's and am a loss for what to get. Was thinking the Advan Sports as I always ran Advan's on my EVO but unfortunately no tire will make my C63 handle like an EVO but that doesn't stop me from trying. Then I ran accross the Advan Neova AD07/AD08 and thought they might be a good choice.
My current thinking goes like this.
1. Advan Neova AD07/AD08 - probably just on brand recognition from my last car
2. Pirelli P Zero - yes I know OEM and they wore out at 6k miiles - but they did stick
3. Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec - don't know much yet just now researching
4. Potenza RE01R - don't know much yet just now researching
5. Eagle F1 Asymetical - thinking i may want a little wet traction and longer life and might give up some dry traction.
If you live in a wet climate, the KDW definitely offers spectacular wet performance at a reasonable price. In a dry climate, it looks like you can probably find a better performer at about the same price (although perhaps with less wear rating).
The Sumitomo looks like a really good value, too.
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforum...light=sumitomo
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforum...light=sumitomo
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