Rumor of new engines for US
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Rumor of new engines for US
I was at the dealer today, and I mentioned that the c-coupe could be had in Europe with the supercharged V-6. He said that he believed we would see it here in the next year or two. I said that I didn't think that was likely because it would cut into sales of the C32.
He then told me that wouldn't be a problem, because ( due to the Audi s6 and others ) Mercedes is probably going to quit making the C32, and put a 5.5 liter in the amg version of the c sedan. A c55!
DISCLAIMER: This is from Hoehn Mercedes in Carlsbad, California. I'm pretty sure that he is not lying, because to do so might encourage me to wait on buying a coupe. Whether or not he really knows what he is talking about, I have no idea. YMMV.
He then told me that wouldn't be a problem, because ( due to the Audi s6 and others ) Mercedes is probably going to quit making the C32, and put a 5.5 liter in the amg version of the c sedan. A c55!
DISCLAIMER: This is from Hoehn Mercedes in Carlsbad, California. I'm pretty sure that he is not lying, because to do so might encourage me to wait on buying a coupe. Whether or not he really knows what he is talking about, I have no idea. YMMV.
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I was told from a reliable source that it will not happen in the near (10 year) future and that there is a strong likelyhood the C-Coupe will not last past its 7 year mark (In the US).
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A more likely combination might be the C with the new 3.7 (350) used in the ML. It's already planned as the replacement for the 320 engine.
After that....maybe a C350/C35 AMG coupe, sedan and sportwagen?
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After that....maybe a C350/C35 AMG coupe, sedan and sportwagen?
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yes, that is a likely combo. I still haven't seen any hard news on the 350 engine for the C in 2004.
But I still think MB has to stay with the 4 cylinder C coupe, if just for CAFE standards alone. Unless the C230K sedan sales are so strong that they feel they can exit the small coupe market at the low end and move their customers for this segment into the 230K sedan.
But I still think MB has to stay with the 4 cylinder C coupe, if just for CAFE standards alone. Unless the C230K sedan sales are so strong that they feel they can exit the small coupe market at the low end and move their customers for this segment into the 230K sedan.
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There was a W202 C55 that was available in Europe. But they probably switched to the C32 because the horsepower is equivalent and the V6 is lighter than the V8. Also, I think the V8 did not fit in the W203 chassis. I don't see a C55 being a replacement for the C32 anytime in the future. I don't consider a dealer to be a reputable source, especially if it is news that does not seem to available anywhere else.
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Originally posted by nyca
yes, that is a likely combo. I still haven't seen any hard news on the 350 engine for the C in 2004.
But I still think MB has to stay with the 4 cylinder C coupe, if just for CAFE standards alone. Unless the C230K sedan sales are so strong that they feel they can exit the small coupe market at the low end and move their customers for this segment into the 230K sedan.
yes, that is a likely combo. I still haven't seen any hard news on the 350 engine for the C in 2004.
But I still think MB has to stay with the 4 cylinder C coupe, if just for CAFE standards alone. Unless the C230K sedan sales are so strong that they feel they can exit the small coupe market at the low end and move their customers for this segment into the 230K sedan.
The C-Coupe sales are on target to reach 12,000+ this year. With Audi coming out with its A4 Coupe, and A3 Hatch, Subie's Coupe, a New Lexus IS300 Coupe, and rumors of Acura's TSX spawning a coupe, the C-Coupe is essential for MB to gain new customers.
It would be nice if the C230 made the same 200HP that the 1.8 puts out for the new SLK, or if they offered an overbored or overboosted version in the 250HP range. The C32 AMG version would do wonders for the car's image...it takes a pounding from conservative dealers, and old school MB buyers. Its a great car, a real steal for the money.
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How big inventory of 3.2L does MB have ???
The 2004 CLK convertable is officially introduced and tests starts to appear in German magazines, and its using the 3.2L. With that, the 2004 CLK coupe will use the 3.2L too. Don't think the c-class will have the 3.7 in 2004 if the CLK still run the 3.2L.
Inventory doesn't make sense (to me). Perhaps the 3.7L will never make it into these cars, but it will indeed have a very different engine replacing the 3.2L
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The 2004 CLK convertable is officially introduced and tests starts to appear in German magazines, and its using the 3.2L. With that, the 2004 CLK coupe will use the 3.2L too. Don't think the c-class will have the 3.7 in 2004 if the CLK still run the 3.2L.
Inventory doesn't make sense (to me). Perhaps the 3.7L will never make it into these cars, but it will indeed have a very different engine replacing the 3.2L
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*edit: Oops, I didn't notice that the thread was only about U.S. Sorry about that.
I was watching Report on Business (ROBTV, channel 74 in Toronto), and a Mercedes rep was on there, discussing their product line, and he mentioned to the host that MB Canada was considering bringing a few diesel engines over here because Canadians seem more willing to accept diesel engines than their American counterparts! I'd buy one for sure; seems to save quite a bit on the fuel costs. My friend drives a Jetta TDi, I never even see her have to fuel up, seems very efficient. Not to mention there are quite a few gas stations with diesel around me.
I was watching Report on Business (ROBTV, channel 74 in Toronto), and a Mercedes rep was on there, discussing their product line, and he mentioned to the host that MB Canada was considering bringing a few diesel engines over here because Canadians seem more willing to accept diesel engines than their American counterparts! I'd buy one for sure; seems to save quite a bit on the fuel costs. My friend drives a Jetta TDi, I never even see her have to fuel up, seems very efficient. Not to mention there are quite a few gas stations with diesel around me.
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Originally posted by Matt230K
There was a W202 C55 that was available in Europe. But they probably switched to the C32 because the horsepower is equivalent and the V6 is lighter than the V8. Also, I think the V8 did not fit in the W203 chassis. I don't see a C55 being a replacement for the C32 anytime in the future. I don't consider a dealer to be a reputable source, especially if it is news that does not seem to available anywhere else.
There was a W202 C55 that was available in Europe. But they probably switched to the C32 because the horsepower is equivalent and the V6 is lighter than the V8. Also, I think the V8 did not fit in the W203 chassis. I don't see a C55 being a replacement for the C32 anytime in the future. I don't consider a dealer to be a reputable source, especially if it is news that does not seem to available anywhere else.
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Originally posted by MBcoupe forever
How big inventory of 3.2L does MB have ???
Inventory doesn't make sense (to me). Perhaps the 3.7L will never make it into these cars, but it will indeed have a very different engine replacing the 3.2L
Cheers
How big inventory of 3.2L does MB have ???
Inventory doesn't make sense (to me). Perhaps the 3.7L will never make it into these cars, but it will indeed have a very different engine replacing the 3.2L
Cheers
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Originally posted by Lynn
The V8 bolts right in. Just ask Brabus about the CV8 Sports Coupe. 426 horsepower.
The V8 bolts right in. Just ask Brabus about the CV8 Sports Coupe. 426 horsepower.
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Originally posted by vyse
[Ba Mercedes rep was on there, discussing their product line, and he mentioned to the host that MB Canada was considering bringing a few diesel engines over here because Canadians seem more willing to accept diesel engines than their American counterparts![/B]
[Ba Mercedes rep was on there, discussing their product line, and he mentioned to the host that MB Canada was considering bringing a few diesel engines over here because Canadians seem more willing to accept diesel engines than their American counterparts![/B]
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Originally posted by Matt230K
Yes, a V8 is possible, but this was still the explanation that I heard back in 2001 when the W203 first came out. I would say that maybe the Brabus motor will fit, but the 43 or 55 motor will not, but I assume Brabus starts with an MB motor, so there can't be much difference in size. I still don't think we'll see one with a V8.
Yes, a V8 is possible, but this was still the explanation that I heard back in 2001 when the W203 first came out. I would say that maybe the Brabus motor will fit, but the 43 or 55 motor will not, but I assume Brabus starts with an MB motor, so there can't be much difference in size. I still don't think we'll see one with a V8.
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V8 will fit but...
It might not pass the crash test or at least not as safe as the V6 engine.
The new 3.7L engine is also used in S-class. I don't believe MB will place this engin into current W203. Unlike ML320 & S320, the 3.2L is perfect for C-class.
The new 3.7L engine is also used in S-class. I don't believe MB will place this engin into current W203. Unlike ML320 & S320, the 3.2L is perfect for C-class.
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Originally posted by avlis
Many people here said the same thing about the 3.2 in the coupe.
Many people here said the same thing about the 3.2 in the coupe.
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Originally posted by Matt230K
That may be true, but the C32 coupe is a special order car from AMG and their special order cars have never come to the US. I think someone on here said that you have to take delivery of a car first and then send it to AMG for them to build the special order car. I don't know if that's true or not, but I also don't think we will ever see the C32 coupe.
That may be true, but the C32 coupe is a special order car from AMG and their special order cars have never come to the US. I think someone on here said that you have to take delivery of a car first and then send it to AMG for them to build the special order car. I don't know if that's true or not, but I also don't think we will ever see the C32 coupe.
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Originally posted by mdp c230k
AMG does not modify cars anymore they only build new ones so this is not possible.
AMG does not modify cars anymore they only build new ones so this is not possible.
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with all AMG using the 55 engine it might be too costly to use a V6 supercharged engine with just two models C class and SLK class. SLK class is rumored to ship with a V8, when R171 comes out next year
Originally posted by Matt230K
That may be true, but the C32 coupe is a special order car from AMG and their special order cars have never come to the US. I think someone on here said that you have to take delivery of a car first and then send it to AMG for them to build the special order car. I don't know if that's true or not, but I also don't think we will ever see the C32 coupe.
That may be true, but the C32 coupe is a special order car from AMG and their special order cars have never come to the US. I think someone on here said that you have to take delivery of a car first and then send it to AMG for them to build the special order car. I don't know if that's true or not, but I also don't think we will ever see the C32 coupe.
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Originally posted by mdp c230k
AMG does not modify cars anymore they only build new ones so this is not possible.
AMG does not modify cars anymore they only build new ones so this is not possible.
It also appears to me that they're doing far fewer of the "AMG-specials" as well. There used to be four or five different conversions possible - now they're down to just the C32 Coupe and the CL65. Now that there is a C30 Coupe available as a regular AMG model, they may stop making the C32 Coupe at some point.
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Originally posted by trench
Now that there is a C30 Coupe available as a regular AMG model, they may stop making the C32 Coupe at some point.
- BT
Now that there is a C30 Coupe available as a regular AMG model, they may stop making the C32 Coupe at some point.
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BTW, anyone know the cost of the conversion? With 03 C230 prices so low, it might be the performance bargain of the year
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Re: Rumor of new engines for US
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I was at the dealer today, and I mentioned that the c-coupe could be had in Europe with the supercharged V-6...
I was at the dealer today, and I mentioned that the c-coupe could be had in Europe with the supercharged V-6...
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The new 04/05 SLK AMG will have AMG's 5.5L V8 and the s/c V6 will be dropped. It seams that AMG only wants three petrol engines in their line up, the n/a V8, the s/c V8 and the turbo V12. I don't think they will keep the s/c V6 for the C class only so it would seam that the C class would get the n/a V8.
MB is working on a light weight direct injection 4L V8 but it's progress has been delayed becuase the 1.8L I4 has not been performing as well as orginally planned. The 4L V8 with s/c should be around 400hp which will see future SLK and C classes compete nicely with the Audi's A4 V8 and BMW's next generation of the M3.
In the interim a 5.5L 360hp V8 in the C and SLK should be handy.
MB is working on a light weight direct injection 4L V8 but it's progress has been delayed becuase the 1.8L I4 has not been performing as well as orginally planned. The 4L V8 with s/c should be around 400hp which will see future SLK and C classes compete nicely with the Audi's A4 V8 and BMW's next generation of the M3.
In the interim a 5.5L 360hp V8 in the C and SLK should be handy.
