w209 cluster in w203
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2019 C300 Wagon; '75 Triumph TR6; previous: 2004 C230 6spd sold after 17 years of driving
I learned this info now and I am shocked and go to Karmann website , it is true.
short info from Karmann;
''The Mercedes-Benz CLK convertible, the Audi A4 convertible, the Chrysler Crossfire coupe and roadster, the roof systems for the Renault Mégane convertible and the Volkswagen New Beetle convertible: These are some examples of our current production reference list......
I can not understand Why this car models produce by orginal maker .
http://www.karmann.com/__C1256DF7005...1004008f8.html
short info from Karmann;
''The Mercedes-Benz CLK convertible, the Audi A4 convertible, the Chrysler Crossfire coupe and roadster, the roof systems for the Renault Mégane convertible and the Volkswagen New Beetle convertible: These are some examples of our current production reference list......
I can not understand Why this car models produce by orginal maker .
http://www.karmann.com/__C1256DF7005...1004008f8.html
And if you want to know something completely different, a car obviously dear to my heart, the Triumph TR6 was designed by Karmann, though they kept the doors and windscreen from the Michelotti designed TR4.
Unfortunately it was not built at Karmann but by Union paid "British Craftsman" durring troubled times at British Leyland. The inconsistant gaps between the ill fitted panels confirm that the the assembly line workers had a few too many pints durring their breaks. Definately not precision German quality!
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New instrument cluster install
I recent ly installed a 2007 C230 instrument cluster on my 2004 C230. Most things work on it except for my windows don't roll up automatically (they roll down just fine). Another issue I am having is that I lost my radio controls on my steering wheel. And the last issue I have with the new Cluster is that my Odometer is blank. Oh yeah, and one more thing, it calls out my speed-tronic. I have no clue what it is talking about. I figure it might have to do with my car being a stick and the cluster may have came from an automatic. If anyone knows where i can get it reprogramed or someway fixed, please let me know. thanks.
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I recent ly installed a 2007 C230 instrument cluster on my 2004 C230. Most things work on it except for my windows don't roll up automatically (they roll down just fine). Another issue I am having is that I lost my radio controls on my steering wheel. And the last issue I have with the new Cluster is that my Odometer is blank. Oh yeah, and one more thing, it calls out my speed-tronic. I have no clue what it is talking about. I figure it might have to do with my car being a stick and the cluster may have came from an automatic. If anyone knows where i can get it reprogramed or someway fixed, please let me know. thanks.
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Midnight Blue 2004.5 C230 Kompressor Sport Sedan. 2002 w210 E320, 2009 w211 E350 Sport
Did you research this before you did it?
You do realize that this is NOT a plug and play mod. You can't just swap out the cluster and assume that it will adapt. The 2005 cluster is on a completely different system than 2001-2004.5 models. There are so many other things that need to be done in order to get everything working properly.
Do a search. There has been several discussions on this topic. BTW...I might even merge your thread with the former topics.
You do realize that this is NOT a plug and play mod. You can't just swap out the cluster and assume that it will adapt. The 2005 cluster is on a completely different system than 2001-2004.5 models. There are so many other things that need to be done in order to get everything working properly.
Do a search. There has been several discussions on this topic. BTW...I might even merge your thread with the former topics.
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Just so you are all aware, I just merged 5 new threads discussing the same thing.
Sunman and Steve both have done instrument cluster swaps. Steve put in a w209 cluster. Sunman has a w211 cluster (I think)?
Anyways, this topic has been discussed several times and for those of you that are getting ideas that this will be a plug and play deal, I highly suggest searching through all the posts first before you make an impulsive move and buy a 2005 cluster, thinking you can just swap your 2001-2004.5 cluster out.
Sunman and Steve both have done instrument cluster swaps. Steve put in a w209 cluster. Sunman has a w211 cluster (I think)?
Anyways, this topic has been discussed several times and for those of you that are getting ideas that this will be a plug and play deal, I highly suggest searching through all the posts first before you make an impulsive move and buy a 2005 cluster, thinking you can just swap your 2001-2004.5 cluster out.
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New Cluster swap
I know I have to reprogramm the odometer, but I am having a hard time finding a place that will do it. I was wondering if there was anyone knows where I can go in the Florida region. The dealership wont do it because of the year difference. Once I do that, I am going to keep them on. The new tach is great with my 6 speed. I am willing to scarfice my steering wheel buttons for the radio. All the other functions work. Either way, I am suppose to leave to italy in a few weeks. I figure I can buy the radio with "MOST" there for cheap. And for those who were wondering, it is just plug and play with these clusters, it took me 5 min to swap them. They fit the same and everything.
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I recent ly installed a 2007 C230 instrument cluster on my 2004 C230. Most things work on it except for my windows don't roll up automatically (they roll down just fine). Another issue I am having is that I lost my radio controls on my steering wheel. And the last issue I have with the new Cluster is that my Odometer is blank. Oh yeah, and one more thing, it calls out my speed-tronic. I have no clue what it is talking about. I figure it might have to do with my car being a stick and the cluster may have came from an automatic. If anyone knows where i can get it reprogramed or someway fixed, please let me know. thanks.
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I know I have to reprogramm the odometer, but I am having a hard time finding a place that will do it. I was wondering if there was anyone knows where I can go in the Florida region. The dealership wont do it because of the year difference. Once I do that, I am going to keep them on. The new tach is great with my 6 speed. I am willing to scarfice my steering wheel buttons for the radio. All the other functions work. Either way, I am suppose to leave to italy in a few weeks. I figure I can buy the radio with "MOST" there for cheap. And for those who were wondering, it is just plug and play with these clusters, it took me 5 min to swap them. They fit the same and everything.
Here is everything required to do it correctly.
Sound Harness
UHI/VCS/Teleaid Harness
Comand Harness
Rear Bracket to hold Comand
Upper Switch row and connectors on harness
A/C Controls
Upper Switch Row Wood Panel
A/C Controls Wood panel
Overhead Control Panel
*1* Instrument Cluster to 805 Spec.
*2* Instrument Cluster Rear bracket in dash.
*3* PTS Control Unit
Comand Unit
UHI Bracket
UHI PSe
UHI Cradle
UHI Cradle Clip/Floor Plate
Bluetooth Antenna for UHI PSE
*4* Overhead Control Panel
CD changer (MP3)
*5* Teleaid Module
MOST Fiber Optic Cable
*6* REAR SAM
*7* Front SAM
*8* Sound Amplifer
Rear View Mirror and Harness
Central Gateway
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2015 E250D
Just so you are all aware, I just merged 5 new threads discussing the same thing.
Sunman and Steve both have done instrument cluster swaps. Steve put in a w209 cluster. Sunman has a w211 cluster (I think)?
Anyways, this topic has been discussed several times and for those of you that are getting ideas that this will be a plug and play deal, I highly suggest searching through all the posts first before you make an impulsive move and buy a 2005 cluster, thinking you can just swap your 2001-2004.5 cluster out.
Sunman and Steve both have done instrument cluster swaps. Steve put in a w209 cluster. Sunman has a w211 cluster (I think)?
Anyways, this topic has been discussed several times and for those of you that are getting ideas that this will be a plug and play deal, I highly suggest searching through all the posts first before you make an impulsive move and buy a 2005 cluster, thinking you can just swap your 2001-2004.5 cluster out.
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Thanks, sunman. I didn't want people jumping all over this thinking they can just swap at the drop of a hat.
I may do the w209 swap at some point.
I may do the w209 swap at some point.
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If you think swapping to a MOST radio is plug and play, you are deeply mistaken.
Here is everything required to do it correctly.
Sound Harness
UHI/VCS/Teleaid Harness
Comand Harness
Rear Bracket to hold Comand
Upper Switch row and connectors on harness
A/C Controls
Upper Switch Row Wood Panel
A/C Controls Wood panel
Overhead Control Panel
*1* Instrument Cluster to 805 Spec.
*2* Instrument Cluster Rear bracket in dash.
*3* PTS Control Unit
Comand Unit
UHI Bracket
UHI PSe
UHI Cradle
UHI Cradle Clip/Floor Plate
Bluetooth Antenna for UHI PSE
*4* Overhead Control Panel
CD changer (MP3)
*5* Teleaid Module
MOST Fiber Optic Cable
*6* REAR SAM
*7* Front SAM
*8* Sound Amplifer
Rear View Mirror and Harness
Central Gateway
Here is everything required to do it correctly.
Sound Harness
UHI/VCS/Teleaid Harness
Comand Harness
Rear Bracket to hold Comand
Upper Switch row and connectors on harness
A/C Controls
Upper Switch Row Wood Panel
A/C Controls Wood panel
Overhead Control Panel
*1* Instrument Cluster to 805 Spec.
*2* Instrument Cluster Rear bracket in dash.
*3* PTS Control Unit
Comand Unit
UHI Bracket
UHI PSe
UHI Cradle
UHI Cradle Clip/Floor Plate
Bluetooth Antenna for UHI PSE
*4* Overhead Control Panel
CD changer (MP3)
*5* Teleaid Module
MOST Fiber Optic Cable
*6* REAR SAM
*7* Front SAM
*8* Sound Amplifer
Rear View Mirror and Harness
Central Gateway
Well thanks sunman for the advice,
I was afraid of replacing everything behind the dash, but its no biggie. It will be a fun project. I was planning to strip a newer c230 at a junk yard when i go to europe. I want to upgrade my car completely since my car is the strip model for the 2004 c230 and has very few options. Anyways, I saw what you did on your site. If you have anymore advice I would appreciate it. Oh and how did you go about reprograming your gauges?
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reprogramming the cluster for correct mileage is only possible on new clusters or used clusters less than 1000 miles. You will require a star diagnose for lots of programming in the modules.
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i have the 01' c320, and i wanted the new style cluster 
hmm.. i also would like to know, but if sunil says its different, most likely the clusters won't be interchangable for our cars.
hmm.. i also would like to know, but if sunil says its different, most likely the clusters won't be interchangable for our cars.
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it is not a direct fit and requires modification to make work. Replacement of the rear frame inside the dash is required. As I stated, 01-02 cars may have issues programming mileage. My 03 works fine with a clk cluster. See link. http://web.mac.com/motorwerks/German...t_Cluster.html
