Horrible mileage after oil change
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Horrible mileage after oil change
I changed my oil at an oil change franchise (decided to avoid MB since they were charging 180). I checked the approved engine oil sheet and found out that Volvoline synpower was on the approved list for my engine (M272). So I went to this shop that was offering it for a great price, only to find out that they no longer offered it. Then they told me to use an engine oil called Advant by Irving, and that it's approved for MB as well as other premium European cars. I wasn't so sure at first, but they were pretty adamant about it being great and that their computer showed it matches with my car.... now my mileage has gone down the gutter. Went from like 12.4 l/km to like 15-16l/km. Any thoughts on why this would be?
The oil code for that engine is 229.51. I found out that the oil required for my car is 229.5. But then after some research, apparently 229.51 used to be on the approved list for Petro cars until the U.S. started adding ethanol to their cars, and the only reason why 229.51 isn't accepted is because of the ethanol causing some kind of blockage?
The premium gas in the gas station I go to says there is 0 ethanol in it's premium gas.
Should I get the oil changed?
The oil code for that engine is 229.51. I found out that the oil required for my car is 229.5. But then after some research, apparently 229.51 used to be on the approved list for Petro cars until the U.S. started adding ethanol to their cars, and the only reason why 229.51 isn't accepted is because of the ethanol causing some kind of blockage?
The premium gas in the gas station I go to says there is 0 ethanol in it's premium gas.
Should I get the oil changed?
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229.51 products are for diesel models only with Cat & particulate filter. It is a low SAPs product with low additive treat. It is the wrong oil for your car & I would get it out of there. Inadequate cam & tappet protection. You require a 229.5 approved product. ONLY use products actually listed.
It, however, can't possibly be the cause of your huge consumption swing.
It, however, can't possibly be the cause of your huge consumption swing.
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How may miles since the oil change ?
I wonder whether they over filled which may cause the poor consumption by increasing foaming & friction ?.Best to check the level.
A heavier grade oil would increase consumpton also. They may have put the diesel Heavy Duty oil in ? http://www.coastalbp.com/irving_news
Have the oil changed then see if the consumption improves.
I wonder whether they over filled which may cause the poor consumption by increasing foaming & friction ?.Best to check the level.
A heavier grade oil would increase consumpton also. They may have put the diesel Heavy Duty oil in ? http://www.coastalbp.com/irving_news
Have the oil changed then see if the consumption improves.
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Thicker or overfull oil will affect consumption but the reported swing is large. I'm talking in the range of 2 to 7% and only really when cold.
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Good info.
A couple of other reasons for the perceived higher mileage could be :-
Inaccurate consumption figures because of different driving conditions ?.
Coincidential failure of another component.ie blocked Cat,Air flow meter ect.
A couple of other reasons for the perceived higher mileage could be :-
Inaccurate consumption figures because of different driving conditions ?.
Coincidential failure of another component.ie blocked Cat,Air flow meter ect.
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I've noticed nothing really different about the car, except the mileage is just poor. It doesn't even feel like I lost power, which is really weird. I checked the oil levels today and its good. They put 7 liters like they were supposed to for the 4matic version. I'll get the oil changed and post again.
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He actually has a M271 Evo Turbo unless Canada used the 250 nomenclature for the little V6 that never came to the US? Certainly possible.
EDIT ~ just looked at Canada & it is the 2.5l V6 M272.
EDIT ~ just looked at Canada & it is the 2.5l V6 M272.
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RuskiBenz, there is only one 250 CGI engine since 2011 and it is 1.8 liter. Mine is C250 and it is 1.8l, 204hp...
Overfilling with oil can lead to higher fuel consumption...
EDIT - I just saw the EDIT of the previous post... I haven't heard of C250 with 2.5 V6 or at least there is no such engine in Europe and US. If that is the case, then 7l may be good enough. Currently, they don't offer it on the Canadian website, only the 1.8l, so I guess it is discontinued.
Overfilling with oil can lead to higher fuel consumption...
EDIT - I just saw the EDIT of the previous post... I haven't heard of C250 with 2.5 V6 or at least there is no such engine in Europe and US. If that is the case, then 7l may be good enough. Currently, they don't offer it on the Canadian website, only the 1.8l, so I guess it is discontinued.
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Nah! thats for US. The 2.5 litre V6 was called a 230 in the W203 in the US. In some markets the W204 2.5 V6 was called a 250 until the I4 Turbo engine took over that moniker. All done to confuse us. We had no C250 V6 W204 in SA. Only C280 (3litre) & C350.
The US is really the one that breaks the MB global naming. MBUSA likes the badge to match the capacity but I'll bet that now that capacities are being reduced they will keep the higher number.
The US is really the one that breaks the MB global naming. MBUSA likes the badge to match the capacity but I'll bet that now that capacities are being reduced they will keep the higher number.
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not sure if this could be a factor, but if the technician knew what he was doing with Benz's and reset the shift programme and throttle as part of the oil change, could it be that the car is relearning your driving style and shifting differently, thus creating the loss in gas mileage?
just a guess!
just a guess!
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not sure if this could be a factor, but if the technician knew what he was doing with Benz's and reset the shift programme and throttle as part of the oil change, could it be that the car is relearning your driving style and shifting differently, thus creating the loss in gas mileage?
just a guess!
just a guess!
He even tried to convince me that 229.51 must be the newer designation for 229.5. I printed a bunch of sources as well as the official listing of approved oils stating 229.5 and 229.51 as independent oils, and that 229.51 is only for diesel. I will go and complain tomorrow, hopefully they give me my money back. They can't advertise "warranty approved oils" without giving warranty approved oils
I'm sure if they're reasonable people, they should admit the mistake.Thanks guys, I'll update whether or not they give me a refund.
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They've admitted they made a mistake, but wouldn't give me a refund 
. They gave me the number of the owner and told me to call him, and he won't pick up. I left a message, but I really doubt I'll be hearing back from him.
. They gave me the number of the owner and told me to call him, and he won't pick up. I left a message, but I really doubt I'll be hearing back from him.
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2) Find out the viscosity of the oil they put in. Likely a 15W-40 diesel oil which is very thick, and would cause loss of milage, but not 20% ???
3) do you have a 2.5LV6 or I4-turbo ?? Given the drag in the floating sleeve bearings of the turbo, that could put drag on the turbine/compressor wheel, also making gas milage worse.
4) what are the coldest temps in the winter? Hottest in summer?
5) what did he charge in USD ?
6) did they overfill it ?
Recomendation:
If possible, use Castrol Edge 0W-30, which is 229.5 approved. If that is not around, find an approved ?W-30 synthetic oil. Note that 229.5 includes 60% ?W-40 oils, and 40% ?W-30 oils (break-in oil is 5W-30).
Depending what you had been running before Quicky-Lube, you should see a noticeably better milage. Also a better oil for cold starts, vs ?W-40 oils.
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James,
At least you will be able to change the incorrect oil out .
I would keep ringing the owner.Don't you have a auto consumer affairs body in Canada that can help you receive your money back?.
It might be time to find a knowledgable independant or DIY.
At least you will be able to change the incorrect oil out .
I would keep ringing the owner.Don't you have a auto consumer affairs body in Canada that can help you receive your money back?.
It might be time to find a knowledgable independant or DIY.
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It, however, can't possibly be the cause of your huge consumption swing.
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1) Never, ever, go to a Quicky-Lube unless you know the people that work there.
2) Find out the viscosity of the oil they put in. Likely a 15W-40 diesel oil which is very thick, and would cause loss of milage, but not 20% ???
3) do you have a 2.5LV6 or I4-turbo ?? Given the drag in the floating sleeve bearings of the turbo, that could put drag on the turbine/compressor wheel, also making gas milage worse.
4) what are the coldest temps in the winter? Hottest in summer?
5) what did he charge in USD ?
6) did they overfill it ?
Recomendation:
If possible, use Castrol Edge 0W-30, which is 229.5 approved. If that is not around, find an approved ?W-30 synthetic oil. Note that 229.5 includes 60% ?W-40 oils, and 40% ?W-30 oils (break-in oil is 5W-30).
Depending what you had been running before Quicky-Lube, you should see a noticeably better milage. Also a better oil for cold starts, vs ?W-40 oils.
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2) Find out the viscosity of the oil they put in. Likely a 15W-40 diesel oil which is very thick, and would cause loss of milage, but not 20% ???
3) do you have a 2.5LV6 or I4-turbo ?? Given the drag in the floating sleeve bearings of the turbo, that could put drag on the turbine/compressor wheel, also making gas milage worse.
4) what are the coldest temps in the winter? Hottest in summer?
5) what did he charge in USD ?
6) did they overfill it ?
Recomendation:
If possible, use Castrol Edge 0W-30, which is 229.5 approved. If that is not around, find an approved ?W-30 synthetic oil. Note that 229.5 includes 60% ?W-40 oils, and 40% ?W-30 oils (break-in oil is 5W-30).
Depending what you had been running before Quicky-Lube, you should see a noticeably better milage. Also a better oil for cold starts, vs ?W-40 oils.
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If Castrol Edge is better than Mobil 1, I might buy it and give it to the dealer. I'd love to DIY, but I live in an apartment and they've banned oil changes due to people spilling everywhere and never cleaning up. I should've known better than to trust franchise chains.
The owner actually called me back today and told me he'd refund me with a cheque. I'll get this oil out of here ASAP though, probably tomorrow. They're offering the Castrol Edge for $11.49 a liter here, and the Titanium for around $14. What is the better buy?
Mobile 0w40 vs Castrol Edge 0w30 vs Castrol Edge Titanium 0w30
Any significant differences amongst the three?
I just can't get over the fact that dealer wants $180 + taxes for a damn oil change here. Can they seriously charge so much labor for an oil change?
edit:
It's true that it's got a weaker ad pack (lower TBN), but I would not necessarily "get it out of there" for that reason alone. All it means is that he should probably not wait 10K miles or 1 year with the next oil change as the additives may not make it that long considering the quality of gasoline in north america. By the way it's not just ethanol, but also higher sulfur levels in our gasoline that lead companies like MB and BMW to advise against the use of 229.51 and LL-04 oils in gasoline engines outside of Europe. 5-7.5K miles should be OK on that oil though.
Agreed. Something else is up that just happened to coincide with his oil change. Maybe arrival of colder Autumn temps? Colder temps = engine takes longer to warm up = running rich longer = more fuel burned.
Agreed. Something else is up that just happened to coincide with his oil change. Maybe arrival of colder Autumn temps? Colder temps = engine takes longer to warm up = running rich longer = more fuel burned.
edit 2: Also, I get my gas from a gas station here that claim they don't put any ethanol in their premium gas.
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229.51 products are for diesel models only with Cat & particulate filter. It is a low SAPs product with low addirive treat. It is the wrong oil for your car & I would get it out of there. Inadequate cam & tappet protection. You require a 229.5 approved product. ONLY use products actually listed.
It, however, can't possibly be the cause of your huge consumption swing.
It, however, can't possibly be the cause of your huge consumption swing.
Listen to Glyn ( above) as he is the the lubrication expert with many years of experience working in this field. You should not leave the oil in for any length of time.
Try to find a European independent mechanic to do the job.It is not rocket science . Just needs care & interest in the model.
Please find attached a list of more choice of oils.
Regarding your coolant temperature swings , it could be caused by a faulty thermostat.They are supposed to fail open so the temp should fall?.I wonder whether your instrumentation is at fault ? ie fuel & temp.
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Hi! It's the 2.5l v6, only for Canada. It's before the facelift. They used 0w40, so I don't understand the consumption swing either. My engine temperature went from right at 80 to floating around 100 after this oil change. Weather hasn't really changed since I got the oil change, but it'll get really damn cold soon. Like -40 (Celsius) around here..
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Irving Advant 5W-40
If Castrol Edge is better than Mobil 1, I might buy it and give it to the dealer. I'd love to DIY, but I live in an apartment and they've banned oil changes due to people spilling everywhere and never cleaning up. I should've known better than to trust franchise chains.
The owner actually called me back today and told me he'd refund me with a cheque. I'll get this oil out of here ASAP though, probably tomorrow. They're offering the Castrol Edge for $11.49 a liter here, and the Titanium for around $14. What is the better buy?
Mobile 0w40 vs Castrol Edge 0w30 vs Castrol Edge Titanium 0w30
Any significant differences amongst the three?
The owner actually called me back today and told me he'd refund me with a cheque. I'll get this oil out of here ASAP though, probably tomorrow. They're offering the Castrol Edge for $11.49 a liter here, and the Titanium for around $14. What is the better buy?
Mobile 0w40 vs Castrol Edge 0w30 vs Castrol Edge Titanium 0w30
Any significant differences amongst the three?
http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/229.5_en.html --- Global Oil List
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