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^ You are missing some points.
The first is, OE used a mainline dyno that will read differently than what I believe was a dyno dynamics used by the tuner above.
Secondly, the stock Cajun dyno was 264, with the gain here being ~50 whp over stock... 313 whp.
Thirdly, the torque which I think I saw correctly showed +370 ~wtq which is in fact close to the claims made by OE since I think Cajun's stock car made around 280 wtq.
Fourth, the area under the curve is more important than just peak numbers. The area increased greatly throughout the powerband compared to the piggyback tune.
In summary then, the whp claim was not what was claimed, but for me the wtq very much was. Interesting...
The first is, OE used a mainline dyno that will read differently than what I believe was a dyno dynamics used by the tuner above.
Secondly, the stock Cajun dyno was 264, with the gain here being ~50 whp over stock... 313 whp.
Thirdly, the torque which I think I saw correctly showed +370 ~wtq which is in fact close to the claims made by OE since I think Cajun's stock car made around 280 wtq.
Fourth, the area under the curve is more important than just peak numbers. The area increased greatly throughout the powerband compared to the piggyback tune.
In summary then, the whp claim was not what was claimed, but for me the wtq very much was. Interesting...
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110 trap was what I was thinking yes. As far as the other statements are concerned, I have no idea how the vehicles compare. Someone with better knowledge can agree with you or disagree with you. It does make sense with what you are saying, I just can't confirm or counter. Don't you think with the AMG configurations to suspension and transmission, there would be an affect on performance and overall driving dynamics though? From what I've gathered the C450 drives much more like the sports car it was designed to be than the C400...not starting a war just asking.
You've had an OE tune before correct? Any idea how those numbers compared to what was estimated by the company? Popcorn is in hand for Cajun's results tomorrow.
You've had an OE tune before correct? Any idea how those numbers compared to what was estimated by the company? Popcorn is in hand for Cajun's results tomorrow.
But once on the highway.. Both cars tuned 400 &450.. It will come down to small difference like type fuel, tire quality, and car with least weight.. It would be that close..
I dynoed my e55 a while back... Power was there from OE tune.
I have not dynoe my E550.. But tires spin like crazy.
Typically OE shows the differenc in output through the power band and not peak power... At times power band delta is huge and as it comes to redline.. Engines starts to pull timing and boost is reduced. So peak HP is low.
As i mentioned before m276 dela was designed for torque and highend pull is not its strong suit. Tiny intake manifold, restricted exhaust and small intercooler will limit power out put compares to the n54 and n55 engines. But powerful enough to compete.
Soon this engine will be the infiniti cars ... MB likely change to inline 6 configuration.
Gents. Enjoy the car and dont lose sleep over numbers.
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Thanks for the insight topgun. I wonder why we didn't get the peak hp increase claimed since everything I have read about OE is that they are beasts. I agree though the power under the curve makes a huge difference.
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Asked my dealer about the status of my build and this was his response...
"Your car is scheduled for production on the 8th of December.. Then five weeks in shipping. We should see the car about 15-25 January.. I will send you the shipping link when the car is on the water, so you can track your car to Long Beach."
I thought our cars were built in Alabama so am I missing something here or maybe the dealer is giving misinformation? Or do they ship cars on the west coast thru Panama Canal?
"Your car is scheduled for production on the 8th of December.. Then five weeks in shipping. We should see the car about 15-25 January.. I will send you the shipping link when the car is on the water, so you can track your car to Long Beach."
I thought our cars were built in Alabama so am I missing something here or maybe the dealer is giving misinformation? Or do they ship cars on the west coast thru Panama Canal?
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sorry about the issues on the live stream even apple didnt get it right the first time :/ next review we should have the kinks out for the live stream. Full review should be up later today
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The reality of all these numbers coming out is just that, they are numbers. What really needs to happen is we need a confident driver to go to the track and run the car bone stock then we need to get the ECU tune via a flash and see what the trap speeds are etc... so yes the number is a good and it's a start thank you very much Cajun but the real test will be at the track... the other option if anyone has a good friend with a car that traps a certain speed perhaps run them on a closed course of course and monitor the difference... say a stock 5 liter Mustang from a dead stop 30 roll 60 roll
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The reality of all these numbers coming out is just that, they are numbers. What really needs to happen is we need a confident driver to go to the track and run the car bone stock then we need to get the ECU tune via a flash and see what the trap speeds are etc... so yes the number is a good and it's a start thank you very much Cajun but the real test will be at the track... the other option if anyone has a good friend with a car that traps a certain speed perhaps run them on a closed course of course and monitor the difference... say a stock 5 liter Mustang from a dead stop 30 roll 60 roll
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Asked my dealer about the status of my build and this was his response...
"Your car is scheduled for production on the 8th of December.. Then five weeks in shipping. We should see the car about 15-25 January.. I will send you the shipping link when the car is on the water, so you can track your car to Long Beach."
I thought our cars were built in Alabama so am I missing something here or maybe the dealer is giving misinformation? Or do they ship cars on the west coast thru Panama Canal?
"Your car is scheduled for production on the 8th of December.. Then five weeks in shipping. We should see the car about 15-25 January.. I will send you the shipping link when the car is on the water, so you can track your car to Long Beach."
I thought our cars were built in Alabama so am I missing something here or maybe the dealer is giving misinformation? Or do they ship cars on the west coast thru Panama Canal?
Sometimes I think to cancel my order and buy a recent used car as waiting with no visibility is really the worse situation...
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At least you have some dates and slots. Here in France it's ridiculous. The dealer doesn't tell me when my car will be produced or delivered knowing that they have to deliver it before January 7th contractually ! I can't even schedule family Xmas holidays and stuck here to wait for news !!
Sometimes I think to cancel my order and buy a recent used car as waiting with no visibility is really the worse situation...
Sometimes I think to cancel my order and buy a recent used car as waiting with no visibility is really the worse situation...
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I've always dreamed of owning a version of the car with the steering wheel on the right side bring manufacturing to bama crushed those dreams. (Not that it was doable before) but still
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For sale page
How many of you would like to see a classified ish page on the c450 website where (only individuals) would be able to sale things like old center peices, wheels and things of that nature. And additionally what would you like on that page.
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Asked my dealer about the status of my build and this was his response...
"Your car is scheduled for production on the 8th of December.. Then five weeks in shipping. We should see the car about 15-25 January.. I will send you the shipping link when the car is on the water, so you can track your car to Long Beach."
I thought our cars were built in Alabama so am I missing something here or maybe the dealer is giving misinformation? Or do they ship cars on the west coast thru Panama Canal?
"Your car is scheduled for production on the 8th of December.. Then five weeks in shipping. We should see the car about 15-25 January.. I will send you the shipping link when the car is on the water, so you can track your car to Long Beach."
I thought our cars were built in Alabama so am I missing something here or maybe the dealer is giving misinformation? Or do they ship cars on the west coast thru Panama Canal?
If I were you, I'd challenge your sales guy on this.
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i dont think you can have the illuminated start with distronic. as i believe the star is filled in and not open if that makes sense. the distronic pars are inside the star (i believe). i would doubt that can be a dealer installed item.
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Asked my dealer about the status of my build and this was his response...
"Your car is scheduled for production on the 8th of December.. Then five weeks in shipping. We should see the car about 15-25 January.. I will send you the shipping link when the car is on the water, so you can track your car to Long Beach."
I thought our cars were built in Alabama so am I missing something here or maybe the dealer is giving misinformation? Or do they ship cars on the west coast thru Panama Canal?
"Your car is scheduled for production on the 8th of December.. Then five weeks in shipping. We should see the car about 15-25 January.. I will send you the shipping link when the car is on the water, so you can track your car to Long Beach."
I thought our cars were built in Alabama so am I missing something here or maybe the dealer is giving misinformation? Or do they ship cars on the west coast thru Panama Canal?
i would have thought they would send out all cars from alabama via train or truck to the US dealers
maybe not. strange...
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At least you have some dates and slots. Here in France it's ridiculous. The dealer doesn't tell me when my car will be produced or delivered knowing that they have to deliver it before January 7th contractually ! I can't even schedule family Xmas holidays and stuck here to wait for news !!
Sometimes I think to cancel my order and buy a recent used car as waiting with no visibility is really the worse situation...
Sometimes I think to cancel my order and buy a recent used car as waiting with no visibility is really the worse situation...
