Kickplates and badges can't be too expensive...
AMG-Sport is dead. C450 will now be AMG C43
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2016 C450 AMG Sport
Whatever badges, nameplates or other doodads you stick on the outside of your vehicle, the model designated by your VIN will go on your insurance and registration records. Also, most people who look at your car won't know (or care) if it is a C450, a C43 or an LTD. If you're buying the car just to impress other people, you're probably buying it for the wrong reason. My 2 cents....
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2016 c450
I agree with most of what you opine, but I believe how it is described by an insurer immaterial. I also believe the only relevant issue regarding the title is whether it is the vehicle with that number and the rest is surplusage, mere form over substance and easily cured in all states by title "correction." Buyers will likely want a corrected title even if to laymen it is form, Not substance.
I speculate that most of us fear excess depreciation, and only time will tell.
I also think that in most states, despite Mbs reservation of rights, or because of it, under these circumstances it is a deceptive or unfair trade practice to supercede the badges or make less than material modifications.
He says or implies he has a binding contract modification and his duty to pay is so conditioned.
I speculate that most of us fear excess depreciation, and only time will tell.
I also think that in most states, despite Mbs reservation of rights, or because of it, under these circumstances it is a deceptive or unfair trade practice to supercede the badges or make less than material modifications.
He says or implies he has a binding contract modification and his duty to pay is so conditioned.
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2016 C450 AMG, 2009 C300, 2001 C320 2001 CLK430, 95 E500
Most car dealerships are VERY loath to make commitments that extend BEYOND the actual purchase agreement. In some states, there are actually clauses and paperwork that essentially sale "this is the SALE, everything included in the SALE has been delivered and the sale is over".. or to that effect.
You might get some further discount on the car at the time of sale, or you might get some sort of credit at the dealership, but actually carving out a future obligation of unknown cost, timing and availability I'd be surprised.
You might get some further discount on the car at the time of sale, or you might get some sort of credit at the dealership, but actually carving out a future obligation of unknown cost, timing and availability I'd be surprised.
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2016 c450
Two things: the guy is in Canada, and even there, the parties can, by agreement, modify an existing contract.
But, if this is an oral modification, he may be up against an integration clause, or the statute of frauds.
I think he is hosed, but that's speculation.
Now, note, I didn't say he is a hoser....
But, if this is an oral modification, he may be up against an integration clause, or the statute of frauds.
I think he is hosed, but that's speculation.
Now, note, I didn't say he is a hoser....
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C450, GLC43
Two things: the guy is in Canada, and even there, the parties can, by agreement, modify an existing contract.
But, if this is an oral modification, he may be up against an integration clause, or the statute of frauds.
I think he is hosed, but that's speculation.
Now, note, I didn't say he is a hoser....
But, if this is an oral modification, he may be up against an integration clause, or the statute of frauds.
I think he is hosed, but that's speculation.
Now, note, I didn't say he is a hoser....
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2016 C450 AMG, 2009 C300, 2001 C320 2001 CLK430, 95 E500
I think you're over thinking this. MB will remove badges from any vehicle for free. I suspect they would rebadge the 450 with the new model badges if the customer was persistent enough. The cost is minimal, and it creates goodwill with the customer. This change would not open MB up to any additional liability. Not even in a CA courtroom.
as well, getting new badges has a cost and an application fee, so sure one could probably negotiate some discount just to have the $$ to pay for it, but again I'd be surprised if a dealer would put terms in a contract or made an addendum of that nature. We'll never really know though.
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So I get both sides. Would I really walk away from a deal over badges? Nope - but I do feel that the market value of a C450 (for me) has gone down because of this announcement. I want to be made whole and get what I originally wanted - a car with an identity that will exist for more than 2 months, as I expected it to be when I ordered.
As for the comments about using badges to impress - please save it. It has nothing to do with that. Most people don't know the difference - but I do, and I buy cars for how they make me feel, not for what others feel. I simply have an issue with buying something brand new that is immediately replaced with something else. Like buying the last model year of a vehicle and getting the new redesign rubbed in your face the next year. A lot of people don't care, but again, I do.
In 3 years, do I want to have to explain to everyone that asks me about my car that AMG-Sport existed for about 6 months a few years back? As I stated earlier, it's more a matter of principle for MB - they are showing very little conviction in their product direction. The dealer just happens to be an agent for MB - I get that it's not their fault, but if my perceived value of the vehicle has dropped, I need something to sweeten the deal. Bigger discount or equivalent...
As for the comments about using badges to impress - please save it. It has nothing to do with that. Most people don't know the difference - but I do, and I buy cars for how they make me feel, not for what others feel. I simply have an issue with buying something brand new that is immediately replaced with something else. Like buying the last model year of a vehicle and getting the new redesign rubbed in your face the next year. A lot of people don't care, but again, I do.
In 3 years, do I want to have to explain to everyone that asks me about my car that AMG-Sport existed for about 6 months a few years back? As I stated earlier, it's more a matter of principle for MB - they are showing very little conviction in their product direction. The dealer just happens to be an agent for MB - I get that it's not their fault, but if my perceived value of the vehicle has dropped, I need something to sweeten the deal. Bigger discount or equivalent...
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So I get both sides. Would I really walk away from a deal over badges? Nope - but I do feel that the market value of a C450 (for me) has gone down because of this announcement. I want to be made whole and get what I originally wanted - a car with an identity that will exist for more than 2 months, as I expected it to be when I ordered.
As for the comments about using badges to impress - please save it. It has nothing to do with that. Most people don't know the difference - but I do, and I buy cars for how they make me feel, not for what others feel. I simply have an issue with buying something brand new that is immediately replaced with something else. Like buying the last model year of a vehicle and getting the new redesign rubbed in your face the next year. A lot of people don't care, but again, I do.
In 3 years, do I want to have to explain to everyone that asks me about my car that AMG-Sport existed for about 6 months a few years back? As I stated earlier, it's more a matter of principle for MB - they are showing very little conviction in their product direction. The dealer just happens to be an agent for MB - I get that it's not their fault, but if my perceived value of the vehicle has dropped, I need something to sweeten the deal. Bigger discount or equivalent...
As for the comments about using badges to impress - please save it. It has nothing to do with that. Most people don't know the difference - but I do, and I buy cars for how they make me feel, not for what others feel. I simply have an issue with buying something brand new that is immediately replaced with something else. Like buying the last model year of a vehicle and getting the new redesign rubbed in your face the next year. A lot of people don't care, but again, I do.
In 3 years, do I want to have to explain to everyone that asks me about my car that AMG-Sport existed for about 6 months a few years back? As I stated earlier, it's more a matter of principle for MB - they are showing very little conviction in their product direction. The dealer just happens to be an agent for MB - I get that it's not their fault, but if my perceived value of the vehicle has dropped, I need something to sweeten the deal. Bigger discount or equivalent...
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Originally Posted by autopal
Column shifter is a thing of the past. Even the C63 doesn't have a column shifter
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Maybe in a decade or two they will come back. Like they say history repeats itself. I still remember my 2008 E350 gear shifter was so smooth, it was like a hot knife through butter.
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I hate the column shifter. Personally I enjoy manu-shifter on the floor shifter rather than the paddle shifters. Ive had it in my lexus gs and infiniti g37s coupe and i've used my paddle shifters less than 10% of the time if I have the option to use the floor shifter. Easier shifting during slight turns and such
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I hate the column shifter. Personally I enjoy manu-shifter on the floor shifter rather than the paddle shifters. Ive had it in my lexus gs and infiniti g37s coupe and i've used my paddle shifters less than 10% of the time if I have the option to use the floor shifter. Easier shifting during slight turns and such
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Originally Posted by autopal
I miss spoked, I meant the floor shifter is a thing of the past
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Originally Posted by autopal
I miss spoked, I meant the floor shifter is a thing of the past
