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Old 02-05-2016, 11:17 AM
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Good implied point, I Think.

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Dollars to donuts they **** on his leg and tell him it is raining.
I'm just skipping over your posts from now on..... nonsense all the time...
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Have a nice day.

That's your right, and I support you in it.
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Hey, it's going to be a condition of sealing the deal - take it or leave it Kickplates and badges can't be too expensive...
I'm wondering what reasoning you are using to ask this of the dealer? Auto manufacturers add new features to their vehicles just about every model year, but that doesn't mean the features are retroactive to previous models. You can certainly ask the dealer for anything as part of the deal, but don't be surprised if they decline your request.
Whatever badges, nameplates or other doodads you stick on the outside of your vehicle, the model designated by your VIN will go on your insurance and registration records. Also, most people who look at your car won't know (or care) if it is a C450, a C43 or an LTD. If you're buying the car just to impress other people, you're probably buying it for the wrong reason. My 2 cents....
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I agree with most of what you opine, but I believe how it is described by an insurer immaterial. I also believe the only relevant issue regarding the title is whether it is the vehicle with that number and the rest is surplusage, mere form over substance and easily cured in all states by title "correction." Buyers will likely want a corrected title even if to laymen it is form, Not substance.

I speculate that most of us fear excess depreciation, and only time will tell.

I also think that in most states, despite Mbs reservation of rights, or because of it, under these circumstances it is a deceptive or unfair trade practice to supercede the badges or make less than material modifications.

He says or implies he has a binding contract modification and his duty to pay is so conditioned.

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Most car dealerships are VERY loath to make commitments that extend BEYOND the actual purchase agreement. In some states, there are actually clauses and paperwork that essentially sale "this is the SALE, everything included in the SALE has been delivered and the sale is over".. or to that effect.

You might get some further discount on the car at the time of sale, or you might get some sort of credit at the dealership, but actually carving out a future obligation of unknown cost, timing and availability I'd be surprised.
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Two things: the guy is in Canada, and even there, the parties can, by agreement, modify an existing contract.

But, if this is an oral modification, he may be up against an integration clause, or the statute of frauds.

I think he is hosed, but that's speculation.

Now, note, I didn't say he is a hoser....
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Two things: the guy is in Canada, and even there, the parties can, by agreement, modify an existing contract.

But, if this is an oral modification, he may be up against an integration clause, or the statute of frauds.

I think he is hosed, but that's speculation.

Now, note, I didn't say he is a hoser....
I think you're over thinking this. MB will remove badges from any vehicle for free. I suspect they would rebadge the 450 with the new model badges if the customer was persistent enough. The cost is minimal, and it creates goodwill with the customer. This change would not open MB up to any additional liability. Not even in a CA courtroom.
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I don't know what you mean by additional, and I strongly disagree. In my state, scienter is not an element of a CPA claim, and this is an easy one. Believe whatever you want.
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I think you're over thinking this. MB will remove badges from any vehicle for free. I suspect they would rebadge the 450 with the new model badges if the customer was persistent enough. The cost is minimal, and it creates goodwill with the customer. This change would not open MB up to any additional liability. Not even in a CA courtroom.
I think they will avoid putting badges ON for free, at manufacture (this used to be code 000) but not sure it would be 'free' to have a dealer remove badges.. there is a risk that the paint or lid could be damaged and nobody wants to be responsible for that.

as well, getting new badges has a cost and an application fee, so sure one could probably negotiate some discount just to have the $$ to pay for it, but again I'd be surprised if a dealer would put terms in a contract or made an addendum of that nature. We'll never really know though.
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So I get both sides. Would I really walk away from a deal over badges? Nope - but I do feel that the market value of a C450 (for me) has gone down because of this announcement. I want to be made whole and get what I originally wanted - a car with an identity that will exist for more than 2 months, as I expected it to be when I ordered.

As for the comments about using badges to impress - please save it. It has nothing to do with that. Most people don't know the difference - but I do, and I buy cars for how they make me feel, not for what others feel. I simply have an issue with buying something brand new that is immediately replaced with something else. Like buying the last model year of a vehicle and getting the new redesign rubbed in your face the next year. A lot of people don't care, but again, I do.

In 3 years, do I want to have to explain to everyone that asks me about my car that AMG-Sport existed for about 6 months a few years back? As I stated earlier, it's more a matter of principle for MB - they are showing very little conviction in their product direction. The dealer just happens to be an agent for MB - I get that it's not their fault, but if my perceived value of the vehicle has dropped, I need something to sweeten the deal. Bigger discount or equivalent...
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I agree with paragraphs one and three.
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Originally Posted by nvestr
So I get both sides. Would I really walk away from a deal over badges? Nope - but I do feel that the market value of a C450 (for me) has gone down because of this announcement. I want to be made whole and get what I originally wanted - a car with an identity that will exist for more than 2 months, as I expected it to be when I ordered.

As for the comments about using badges to impress - please save it. It has nothing to do with that. Most people don't know the difference - but I do, and I buy cars for how they make me feel, not for what others feel. I simply have an issue with buying something brand new that is immediately replaced with something else. Like buying the last model year of a vehicle and getting the new redesign rubbed in your face the next year. A lot of people don't care, but again, I do.

In 3 years, do I want to have to explain to everyone that asks me about my car that AMG-Sport existed for about 6 months a few years back? As I stated earlier, it's more a matter of principle for MB - they are showing very little conviction in their product direction. The dealer just happens to be an agent for MB - I get that it's not their fault, but if my perceived value of the vehicle has dropped, I need something to sweeten the deal. Bigger discount or equivalent...
Sounds to me like you should just wait 6 more months and order one of the early C43s.
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Sounds to me like you should just wait 6 more months and order one of the early C43s.
That's certainly an option... TBD
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Anyone know if it will come with the AMG shifter? That would make me sad I didn't wait. The shifter on the column doesn't feel very sporty.
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the C63 has the column shifter, therefor no
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Originally Posted by cleankutazn
Anyone know if it will come with the AMG shifter? That would make me sad I didn't wait. The shifter on the column doesn't feel very sporty.
Column shifter is a thing of the past. Even the C63 doesn't have a column shifter
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Column shifter is a thing of the past. Even the C63 doesn't have a column shifter
The C63 does have a column shifter. Look at the W205 C63.
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The C63 does have a column shifter. Look at the W205 C63.
I miss spoked, I meant the floor shifter is a thing of the past
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Originally Posted by autopal
Column shifter is a thing of the past. Even the C63 doesn't have a column shifter
Maybe in a decade or two they will come back. Like they say history repeats itself. I still remember my 2008 E350 gear shifter was so smooth, it was like a hot knife through butter.

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I hate the column shifter. Personally I enjoy manu-shifter on the floor shifter rather than the paddle shifters. Ive had it in my lexus gs and infiniti g37s coupe and i've used my paddle shifters less than 10% of the time if I have the option to use the floor shifter. Easier shifting during slight turns and such
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Originally Posted by tmoneyC450amg
I hate the column shifter. Personally I enjoy manu-shifter on the floor shifter rather than the paddle shifters. Ive had it in my lexus gs and infiniti g37s coupe and i've used my paddle shifters less than 10% of the time if I have the option to use the floor shifter. Easier shifting during slight turns and such
Interesting how different people feel more in favor of one over the other. I personally found the manu-shifter on the floor awkward, even after decades of shifting a manual transmission on the floor. The Paddle shifters on the steering wheel just makes so much more sense as you can shift without ever taking your hand off the steering wheel. And to me that's a safety feature that makes sense.
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I miss spoked, I meant the floor shifter is a thing of the past
To me it's interesting that Mercedes chose to have a center console shifter in the AMG-GTS. Tells me they recognize that they can't get away with the steering wheel shifter anywhere.
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I am so glad this thread started so i could stop thinking about waiting for a AMG c43.
Just ordered my c63s :p
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Originally Posted by autopal
I miss spoked, I meant the floor shifter is a thing of the past
I think the column gear selector belongs on vans and trucks and not in sport sedans or any luxury vehicle. Not even going into the debate of paddle shifters vs floor shifters. I'm saying just the gear selector on the steering column was a very disappointing feature on the W205


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