Need Advice on Adding More Power to HPS SC
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Originally Posted by KompressorKev
i am not familiar with the actual eaton and IHI or Autorotor applications on mercedes, but design wise, the twin screw is inherently more efficient. the roots type expedites air at a faster rate to the intake manifold, where the air amasses together and is compressed externally from the supercharger. twin screw produces internal compression, where the air is intermeshed between two screws in the supercharger. the difference in design and how they respectively compress air has implications to efficiency already, you can tell. how much more efficient the twin screw is over the roots type at low boost levels appropriate for high-compression (originally) n/a amg motors, i am not certain. however, i've read that twin screw blowers can be up to 25% more adiabatically efficient at the same boost pressure. due to the design differences, i would say it's possible that this difference is manifested greater (up to 25%) as boost pressures go up. it would make sense that the relationship between boost pressure and the twin screw's adiabatic efficiency advantage over roots type is not perfectly linear, because as boost pressures raise, the roots type will cause greater heat. the twin screw's internal compression nature may not necessarily be 25% more efficient than the roots's external compression at all boost pressures but, at equal boost pressures, the twin screw should be more efficient. still though, i do not have the answer to whether this difference is significant or negligible at low boost pressures. i think that is a question a professional with hands on experience is qualified to answer.
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Originally Posted by The Godfather
Got a ride in W210 E55 HPS 1st GEN S/C...****'s fast and mad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Makes me wanna get an HPS s/c....but nah.... I want HOP!!!
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Originally Posted by Vadim-SoCal
Like Mark Cummings said, where are the dynos?????
We can all discuss merits of each SC design untill the cows come home. In the end, AMG used twin screws from IHI and I am pretty sure they had a pretty good reason why.
Here are the facts, in case they got overshadowed by small talk:
1. HPS kits do not make advertised HP/TQ.
2. HPS used other car dyno graphs as their own, which is FRAUD!!!!!
3. HPS is trying to fix the lack of tuning for their kits by promising current owners that their cars will be fixed.
So when can we see that tuning has been addressed???
Adam, I know you are reading this. You had my respect when you redesigned your kits per my advice and made them better.
However, you are about to loose it.
You do know why.
We can all discuss merits of each SC design untill the cows come home. In the end, AMG used twin screws from IHI and I am pretty sure they had a pretty good reason why.
Here are the facts, in case they got overshadowed by small talk:
1. HPS kits do not make advertised HP/TQ.
2. HPS used other car dyno graphs as their own, which is FRAUD!!!!!
3. HPS is trying to fix the lack of tuning for their kits by promising current owners that their cars will be fixed.
So when can we see that tuning has been addressed???
Adam, I know you are reading this. You had my respect when you redesigned your kits per my advice and made them better.
However, you are about to loose it.
You do know why.
Vadim,
Please, just be patient with US. So far, we only have one day last week to do the tuning (about 6 hrs). We were expecting the work to continue on Monday but Jesse is a very busy guy and HPS is not the only account he currently have. Believe it or not but he's also busy tuning one of HPS competitor kit right now and that's why tomorrow will be our day. We not even sure if we can have Jesse any day next week because of his other appointments/projects. So please wait until the final dyno result. AMGSC car is currently dyno at 365 rwhp with an a/f ratio 11-12.
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Originally Posted by pshek
Ask Josh R to do it! The centrifugal supercharger kit is 
for the money, especially since it's tuned properly. I would have gotten his kit, but it won't fit in my little c-coupe's engine bay. It fits in the 202 208 and 210 chassis.
...and since his kit doesn't fit 203's, I ended up buying a whole new C32 motor.
for the money, especially since it's tuned properly. I would have gotten his kit, but it won't fit in my little c-coupe's engine bay. It fits in the 202 208 and 210 chassis....and since his kit doesn't fit 203's, I ended up buying a whole new C32 motor.
You can alway buy the Kleemann kit throught him. Rumors has it that he also trying to sell Kleemann kit to HPS protential customers. If this is true, that's the weirdest thing from the business point view. What happen to HOP kit? Is there a 3th customer with HOP kit yet? I will give the same offer as Mark Cumming for the 3th HOP customer with the HOP and one customer with Kleemann kit to re-dyno their car at Mech Tech. Just want to verify the facts !!
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Originally Posted by Clk&Slk
Vadim,
Please, just be patient with US. So far, we only have one day last week to do the tuning (about 6 hrs). We were expecting to the work continue on Monday but Jesse is a very busy guy and HPS is not the only account he currently have. Believe it or not but he's also busy tuning one of HPS competitor kit right now and that's why tomorrow will be our day. We not even sure if we can have Jesse any day next week because of his other appointments/projects. So please wait until the final dyno result. AMGSC car is currently dyno at 365 rwhp with an a/f ratio 11-12.
Please, just be patient with US. So far, we only have one day last week to do the tuning (about 6 hrs). We were expecting to the work continue on Monday but Jesse is a very busy guy and HPS is not the only account he currently have. Believe it or not but he's also busy tuning one of HPS competitor kit right now and that's why tomorrow will be our day. We not even sure if we can have Jesse any day next week because of his other appointments/projects. So please wait until the final dyno result. AMGSC car is currently dyno at 365 rwhp with an a/f ratio 11-12.
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Originally Posted by Clk&Slk
You can alway buy the Kleemann kit throught him. Rumors has it that he also trying to sell Kleemann kit to HPS protential customers. If this is true, that's the weirdest thing from the business point view. What happen to HOP kit?
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Originally Posted by Clk&Slk
You can alway buy the Kleemann kit throught him. Rumors has it that he also trying to sell Kleemann kit to HPS protential customers. !!
Rumor has it........... There's your answer in your own statement. Again second hand news/information. AMGSC apparently asked what a vialble alternative was. The Kleemann system was the answer..."Proven Performance". Since HoP does not make a system for that chassis. AMGSC asked for prices and he apparently was given the estimate. Is there a problem with that?? Seems HPS better start taking care of their customers before their customers go elsewhere. Linh didn't you call HoP and ask if they could help you say last week? Could swear it was you on the speaker phone
. Ooh and you mentioned about Jesse tuning a competitors car, yeah I know what car it was and it was because the installer hooked the fuel lines up backwards and he was attempting to add fuel to the software. How do I know you say, hmmm well for starters the place of business told me, and Jesse's signature trademark was all over the DME. This green sticky stuff called "green isopropyl alcohol". Nice lets clean the DME with flavored alcohol. Where's the garnish we are having Martinis tonight.
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Originally Posted by JR1
. Linh didn't you call HoP and ask if they could help you say last week? Could swear it was you on the speaker phone ..
..LOL....you're kidding me, right ?!?!?! I wouldn't even get a free dyno there so what make you think i would let you guys can touch my car.
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Originally Posted by Clk&Slk
LOL....you're kidding me, right ?!?!?! I wouldn't even get a free dyno there so what make you think i would let you guys can touch my car.
It is always better to know.
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Originally Posted by Clk&Slk
LOL....you're kidding me, right ?!?!?! I wouldn't even get a free dyno there so what make you think i would let you guys can touch my car.
Aside from this:
Originally Posted by Clk&Slk
No i didn't dyno at HOP yet but i will soon.
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Originally Posted by The Godfather
lol the drama
How bout that UFC?? I was practically
when I saw Chuck take Randy out like that 
Oh well he's retired now...
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DragonAMG's dyno chart video
Can anyone read the numbers off his video clip? I asked him to email me a close-up of his chart two days ago but have not gotten a response yet although he said he would do it after he got home that same day.
Now I read that he just sold his car. Darn I was hoping to challenge him after HPS fixes my car. At least I've still got BennyZ and hopefully the new owner of Dragon's (Josh H) car will join the forum. I would really love to see a three way challenge between HPS, Kleeman, Rentech and maybe even Brabus on C55's provided we all live in Southern Cal.
Now I read that he just sold his car. Darn I was hoping to challenge him after HPS fixes my car. At least I've still got BennyZ and hopefully the new owner of Dragon's (Josh H) car will join the forum. I would really love to see a three way challenge between HPS, Kleeman, Rentech and maybe even Brabus on C55's provided we all live in Southern Cal.
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Originally Posted by AMGSC
Can anyone read the numbers off his video clip? I asked him to email me a close-up of his chart two days ago but have not gotten a response yet although he said he would do it after he got home that same day.
Now I read that he just sold his car. Darn I was hoping to challenge him after HPS fixes my car. At least I've still got BennyZ and hopefully the new owner of Dragon's (Josh H) car will join the forum. I would really love to see a three way challenge between HPS, Kleeman, Rentech and maybe even Brabus on C55's provided we all live in Southern Cal.
Now I read that he just sold his car. Darn I was hoping to challenge him after HPS fixes my car. At least I've still got BennyZ and hopefully the new owner of Dragon's (Josh H) car will join the forum. I would really love to see a three way challenge between HPS, Kleeman, Rentech and maybe even Brabus on C55's provided we all live in Southern Cal.
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Originally Posted by Josh K
Wow, you're two faced and full of ****! LMAO
Aside from this:
I was at HoP when you called. Convo lasted about 20 minutes...
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Aside from this:
I was at HoP when you called. Convo lasted about 20 minutes...
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You maybe be at hop when i called Josh R, to asked him about his discovered lean running condition on HPS car and what exactly he did to fixed the problem on that car. I also asked him if he know anything about Mark making a free dyno offer on HPS car and he said that he does not know anything about it but he'll still give me that offer since i didn't take the free dyno offer at the last AMG meet. He also offered to fix my problem for me for a charges. I flat out told him NO because my car was still under HPS warranty !!! THAT WAS ALL WE TALKED ABOUT. I NEVER ASKED HIM TO HELP ME !!! What Josh R told you might be a difference story.
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Originally Posted by Josh K
Originally Posted by Clk&Slk
No i didn't dyno at HOP yet but i will soon.
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No i didn't dyno at HOP yet but i will soon.
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I was hoping that HPS get the ECU upgrade quick so i can dyno it at HOP just to show that every problems was fix !!! Funny that you didn't figure it out what i was trying to do but Mark Cumming did............and his offer is no longer good if HPS fix the problems.
Now, would you dare to take on the free offer to dyno your car at Mech Tech? Btw, Josh R also told me that your car BEAT the E55 with HPS SC ( i think it was E55CENT car) but Josh R also said that it wasn't a fair race due to traffic. I just wonder, were you ahead of Mario car or still behind when you hit traffic?
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Originally Posted by JR1
Rumor has it........... There's your answer in your own statement. Again second hand news/information. AMGSC apparently asked what a vialble alternative was. The Kleemann system was the answer..."Proven Performance". Since HoP does not make a system for that chassis. AMGSC asked for prices and he apparently was given the estimate. Is there a problem with that?? Seems HPS better start taking care of their customers before their customers go elsewhere. Linh didn't you call HoP and ask if they could help you say last week? Could swear it was you on the speaker phone . Ooh and you mentioned about Jesse tuning a competitors car, yeah I know what car it was and it was because the installer hooked the fuel lines up backwards and he was attempting to add fuel to the software. How do I know you say, hmmm well for starters the place of business told me, and Jesse's signature trademark was all over the DME. This green sticky stuff called "green isopropyl alcohol". Nice lets clean the DME with flavored alcohol. Where's the garnish we are having Martinis tonight.
. Ooh and you mentioned about Jesse tuning a competitors car, yeah I know what car it was and it was because the installer hooked the fuel lines up backwards and he was attempting to add fuel to the software. How do I know you say, hmmm well for starters the place of business told me, and Jesse's signature trademark was all over the DME. This green sticky stuff called "green isopropyl alcohol". Nice lets clean the DME with flavored alcohol. Where's the garnish we are having Martinis tonight.That's funny the way you speak of Jesse. Were you the one also asked Jesse to help you with the ECU upgrade for your kit?
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Originally Posted by Clk&Slk
That's funny the way you speak of Jesse. Were you the one also asked Jesse to help you with the ECU upgrade for your kit?
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Originally Posted by Clk&Slk
Now, would you dare to take on the free offer to dyno your car at Mech Tech? Btw, Josh R also told me that your car BEAT the E55 with HPS SC ( i think it was E55CENT car) but Josh R also said that it wasn't a fair race due to traffic. I just wonder, were you ahead of Mario car or still behind when you hit traffic?
By the way, there's never been a doubt about the accuracy of HoP's dyno numbers - not only have no cars come out of there with cooked numbers or numbers from another car (as has been the case with MechTech) they have proven themselves accurate by finding the well documented problems with AMGSC's car and Mario's car (among others).
My numbers have never been in question. I've readily posted dynos unlike many others, and as anyone who has ridden in my car (or raced it) can attest to, it actually works. I haven't had a single problem since I had my s/c installed.
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Originally Posted by Josh K
I was pulling on Mario's car and was about half a length in front of him when I hit traffic. If traffic wasn't there I still wouldn't have fallen behind. (sorry Mario) lol. You want a piece of the CLK? :0)))
We should be proud because we are the only non-Kleeman cars that have functional superchargers with real dyno's to prove it. We may not have the highest dyno numbers, but they are real.
Josh, I will meet you at the flag pole after school. Three O'clock high. LOL
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Originally Posted by E55Cent
Ouch, you cut me deep. We have to set up a fair race, there were too many variables going on that day. We will have to do it from a dig to 100mph. It doesn't bother me too much to loose but I want to lose fair.
Originally Posted by E55Cent
We should be proud because we are the only non-Kleeman cars that have functional superchargers with real dyno's to prove it. We may not have the highest dyno numbers, but they are real.
Originally Posted by E55Cent
Josh, I will meet you at the flag pole after school. Three O'clock high. LOL
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Lynn, (CLK&SLK) do not pick the fight you can not win.
I warned you about HPS not being able to deliver.
Yet, you thought you could save some money ......................
If you still belive in HPS, than you are the ............................
Remember that proverb........................................... ..........
Even if HPS gets it right.................. you are still a ginny pig.............
Sorry, I can not help you any further....... you made your choice...........
I warned you about HPS not being able to deliver.
Yet, you thought you could save some money ......................
If you still belive in HPS, than you are the ............................
Remember that proverb........................................... ..........
Even if HPS gets it right.................. you are still a ginny pig.............
Sorry, I can not help you any further....... you made your choice...........
