Vadim,

I have alot respect for you but don't know why you turned on me with your last post and I didn't feel the need to response to any posts anymore.. But anyway, i was there so far with every dyno sessions. I saw everything. This is my last response regarding to the dyno tuned until we are sastifaction with the result. Anyway, what you said might be true with your set-up and tuning but not true with our set-up.


"It should hold 600 hp plus and car should dyno by simply turning the ESP button off"..........Oh Really, some true to your statement. Another word, if the car came with "dyno mode" feature from factory, then you must turn that feature off to get the full benefit of the dyno run. At 380 RWHP and a much higher torque number, this will definately effect the out come of the dyno result number if you don't turn the dyno mode feature off, would you agree? your buddy Cory at Kleemann will simply disagreed with you with some cars !!! Just click on the link..........


https://mbworld.org/forums/c219/136556-just-had-my-first-dyno-after-kleemann-k4-installed.html

 

Touche' Linh

 

We have a MBZ that has laid down over 400 whp and have had no problems with the trans. What happened to the perfect AFR of 12.1? Now its back up to the teens? Now they are going to add bigger injectors? AMGSC's car dyno's just fine on a dyno. I know, I had no problems with the ESP on my dyno. Stop making excuses for lack of skill in the tuning department, it's getting old..

 

I agreed so let talk about this (only if you dare)..................i thought Kleemann car are alway perfect, this is the 2 cars with problem this month.



[QUOTE=JR1]Just Had My First Dyno on a CLS 55 After Kleemann K4 Installed

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Well I went to the dyno today to check out what kind of power the car was really putting down. I know that my butt meter is pretty accurate, but I needed some real confirmation to make sure. The dyno shop that was closest to me isn't really familiar with Mercedes, but they seemed knowledgeable about the whole dyno process. After strapping the car down, and getting everything set-up I finally got some good hard numbers, but they were very disappointing. I had a best of 464.51rwhp & 533.73rwtq
I called up Cory at Kleemann right away after I got back home and we were trying to figure out the problem. After a good talk with him he realized that I never put the car in Dyno Mode and it was applying the rear brakes the entire time. Now I feel like a total and the guys at the dyno had no idea that the car even had a dyno mode. So tomorrow I'll be going back to the Dyno again to try and put down some better numbers. I'll keep everyone updated once I redyno. Does anyone know the difference that the car will make in dyno mode vs. just TC turned off? Any guesses as to what the power will be at?

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[QUOTE=JR1] Well I just got back from the dyno again. I wish I had some good news but I don't. I put the car in dyno mode expecting it to make a huge difference but I was wrong. I actually lost a little bit of hp and tq compared to yesterday not in dyno mode. I already talked to Cory at Kleemann and he says that it is running way to rich and I should be at around 12-12.5 and I'm at 10.05 on the top end so there is quite a bit more power to be made still. It was really disappointing not to have anymore gains after putting it in dyno mode, but I guess I'll just have to wait until Wed. or Thur. next week to get it redynoed. Hopefully I'll pick up alot more power then. I was expecting atleast 520+ at the wheels. I'll keep everyone updated when I get back to the dyno. Also, if the car feels this strong now, I can't wait to see what is will be like with an extra 50-70 more rwhp
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[QUOTE=JR1] I would assume that it is the latest ECU program since it was only done a 2-1/2 weeks ago. I have no idea where to get 100+ octane around me, so i guess 93 will have to do. Yes, I am running the Kleemann Cams in the car. Currently the parts that are on the car are: K. Pulley, K. Headers and Downpipe, K&N Air Filters, K. Cams, K. Throttle Body, and K. ECU tuning.

I'm not really that worried about the car making the power that they claim because I feel like they are going to make sure that they do what they have to so it does. Cory and Brandon both seem very helpful when dealing with them, but I just disappointed that he told me it may take 2-3 more trys to get it dialed in. I understand that not having them do it in their shop can be difficult, but I just hate the down time. I just want to get the car out and drive it!! QUOTE]




[QUOTE=JR1] 520 at the wheels would be around 650 horse with 19% loss per Klee.

I just don't know.....K2 cars are coming in at 585-600, K3 adds another 15, that's a ways to go to make 650.

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..................................enjoy !!!

 

Linh your funny. Anything to keep the HPS name above water. Let me ask this, and this is directed to all the HPS customers. Are you 100% satisfied with your product? That's it the bottom line. If your happy with a 17whp gain on your 55 then have at it. Linh, stop making excuses for HPS who cares. The fact of this whole thread is how to get more power from an HPS unit, obviously the customer needed more. Why did he need more? cause the dam thing only made 310 at the wheel. So then the thread changed to one being lied to. So do me and all of us a favor, stop trying to make them sound like they know what they are doing, it's apparent that they are lost. Let the topic die, when Robert comes back for a dyno and lays down a respectable number we will post and give the system a . Until then......

 

JR1 you are so busy giving everyone advice you never follow your own advice... at least you are entertaining.

Btw i hope your issues with the Kleemann gear get sorted.

 

Lyhn, to me it is quite obvious that you do NOT have a lot of respect for me. You ask me for advice, yet you do not follow it. So why waste my time???

Now, that you made your bed, you need to sleep in it!


Lynn, do you own a dyno? Have you run cars on the dyno????

Sorry, bu the answer is NO.

Dyno mode is for emission testing. If everything is OK with the car, simply turning off ESP button will allow you to run it on the dyno.

Speaking of dynos, where is yours???

 

Vadim,

I don't know my name can spell in 3 difference way...lol. No dyno. Yes, i personally dyno my Slk (countless times), Clk (one time) and CL 55 (one time).

I'm not saying you're totally wrong about the dyno mode. I'm just saying if the car have that dyno, then you need to turn it off (after all it is called dyno mode) just like Cory from Kleemann said.

My dyno? The only way to proof it, is by dyno it at HOP shop and i will just to proof it !!

 

Oh oh...that's the 3th times this month that i heard issues about Kleemann. JR1, should you be spending more times on your own issues?

 

I find it funny, Josh's problems are trying to get 55's over 500whp and HPS is trying to get 20whp over stock safely. I guess I should feel lucky with my 360whp-380wtq and 12 air/fuel.
Linh, I'm sure you will be there to gloat when Kleemann is having trouble making 700whp.

 

and less time fooling with his butt meter

 

You really should not make fun of someone's spelling mistakes when it's YOUR grammar mistakes that makes me cry. It's downright painful reading your posts. Your English teacher must be rolling in his grave

 

Speaking of 700 whp..........i believe we are still waiting (2-3 yrs. and counting) for "Stacksleek"/"SleekStack" car with all the Kleemann mods and a blown up up engine !!! I wonder what happen to him?

 

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Dyno mode is for emission testing.

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Vadim, I'm very seriously want to learn from you. Why does the car need to be in the dyno mode when it come for emission testing? The most they ever run the engine is around 3K rpm. And what happen to some Mercedes cars with out this dyno mode feature when it come to emission test?

 

No way i was making fun of him. I thought he was making fun of me. He sure make my name sounded like girl.

 

Seriously, what the hell happened to that car?? LMAO. I think it's more accurate to say 3-4 years ;0)

 

Those quotes weren't made by JR1, they were made by whoever started that thread and incorrectly attributed to JR1.

https://mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=136556

There's the original thread...

 

He promised to rebuild his engine that will beat anything on the road !!! He told me that with the money he put into that car, he could have buy a Ferrari. Was Evosport helping him rebuild his engine? I wasn't sure about who was rebuilding his engine.

 

Is there a engineer/technician/tuner that can tell me if the DME must be reprogrammed if these new Fuel Injectors have a different resistance level (14 ohms vs. 12 ohms stock) and also a faster duty different duty cycle than stock? I am getting conflicting info about this. One side says it makes no difference while the other side says it's critical.

This may be the key to unlocking a ton of hp. The HPS Gen IIs DO NOT utilize an FMU at all because it relys strictly on larger injectors. Mario's suggestion about using Split Second for timing and Super FMU worked fine with a Gen I but the design principle of the Gen II is different.

 

I'm not an engineer but what I learned from tuning the AEM EMS engine management system on my Integra is that a slight variation in resistance will wreak havoc on how the car runs not only in WOT situations but also part throttle driving. I was running a firmware of the AEM computer that did not include a preset for RC 750cc injectors so we went ahead and used 550cc settings. We figured they were both high impedence (though the ohms were slightly different) and should be close enough spec-wise. You can just imagine how the car ran.

It ends up that all the injector pulses and response times were VERY different. For 2 weeks we couldn't figure out why the car would idle real funny and die on deceleration (even on the dyno). AEM finally came out with the specs for the 750's and all problems magically disappeared. IMO, getting the DME retuned for the size injectors you will be running is your top priority at this point.

 

I really don't think our two systems are that different at all. If I were you I would put back the stock injectors, set the ECU to factory, use a Spilt Second timmer, Super FMU and a Boosta Pump. I would try this first, before changing out injectors, and ECU tunning. This works for HOP, Kleeman and it even worked on my Gen 1 HPS. Keep life simple and I think you will be very happy.

 

Lihn, my mistake on your name spelling, no pun intended. My apologies.



From what I have been told dyno mode runs different maps for emission testing. These maps are not modified when car is tuned, so when the car is ran in dyno mode, it runs on un-tuned maps.

Precisely!

 

Last i heard it was shelved. They are now working on 800rwhp....

 

I know it is early, but today is Monday. Maybe some new dyno numbers will come today.

 

Just find out the specs on the stck inj.I would call RC Engineering with the stck inj info and see if they can some how help you with the inj imp and ohm info!This should help you figure out the size inj and the other above mentioned info you would need to run the proper upgraded inj setup But still my question is why were'nt you able to continue using the stck inj when people are using the stck inj with the Kleeeman kit? Would'nt this have killed alot of the guess wrk that's going on now Folks are really having a field day with this thread! It's just incredible and imop wounds HPS's rep especially concerning this 2nd gen kit.I just don't get it and at this pt it's very dissappointing.

If I were you Robert I would not ask or report anything more until after u get the final dyno run when or if you ever get your car and HPS bolt on sorted out!Just my advice.This is just Krazee!