Need Advice on Adding More Power to HPS SC
02-09-2007, 06:55 AM
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Assuming that Josh at HOP made a blower kit for the 6.3 motor (which he hasn't), it would definitely not be a fly by night blower kit. I just had to clarify this. However, if AMGSC had a blower kit made for the 6.3 by "top notch engineers and fabricators" in China, then I guess that would be considered a fly by night blower kit.
02-09-2007, 09:18 AM
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02-09-2007, 09:22 AM
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If you do mod your car by dropping a 63 motor into it, you best go ahead and do the 'Trunk Monkey' mod while your at it. You're going to need something effective to prevent those impish C32 drivers with small hands and smelling like cabbage who lurk around at night sabotaging modded C55's.........
02-09-2007, 12:19 PM
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ones too fast according to CHP!
02-09-2007, 01:18 PM
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...and the 6.3's 11.3 CR is going to make forced induction easier??? Not.
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I spent three hours today reading this thread
This will rank as the most eye-opening thread that I have ever come across on the Internet. For a thread that lasted more than a year, with no post whoring involved, that is remarkable.
Mr. AMGSC/Robert, I would not sir for one second try to vilify you or make a personal attack. There were many people here that genuinly tried to help you here, and to their credit, they tried again, and again, and again. You are the only reason this thread lasted so long, and you are the only reason this thread is the most informative and eye-opening thread that it is.
I would not bore you with the rants of how bad your lack of judgement is. But I fear for you that if this is how you deal with losses, you may find a tough future ahead of you. For one thing, there is something to be said about stopping oneself out of a loss, rather than blindly trying to squeeze a little good out of deteriorating catastrophe. You remind me of Nick Leeson, a guy up to no good in mid 90s. Try googling his name to see what I mean.
I wish you all the very best.
Mr. AMGSC/Robert, I would not sir for one second try to vilify you or make a personal attack. There were many people here that genuinly tried to help you here, and to their credit, they tried again, and again, and again. You are the only reason this thread lasted so long, and you are the only reason this thread is the most informative and eye-opening thread that it is.
I would not bore you with the rants of how bad your lack of judgement is. But I fear for you that if this is how you deal with losses, you may find a tough future ahead of you. For one thing, there is something to be said about stopping oneself out of a loss, rather than blindly trying to squeeze a little good out of deteriorating catastrophe. You remind me of Nick Leeson, a guy up to no good in mid 90s. Try googling his name to see what I mean.
I wish you all the very best.
02-10-2007, 07:01 PM
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This will rank as the most eye-opening thread that I have ever come across on the Internet. For a thread that lasted more than a year, with no post whoring involved, that is remarkable.
Mr. AMGSC/Robert, I would not sir for one second try to vilify you or make a personal attack. There were many people here that genuinly tried to help you here, and to their credit, they tried again, and again, and again. You are the only reason this thread lasted so long, and you are the only reason this thread is the most informative and eye-opening thread that it is.
I would not bore you with the rants of how bad your lack of judgement is. But I fear for you that if this is how you deal with losses, you may find a tough future ahead of you. For one thing, there is something to be said about stopping oneself out of a loss, rather than blindly trying to squeeze a little good out of deteriorating catastrophe. You remind me of Nick Leeson, a guy up to no good in mid 90s. Try googling his name to see what I mean.
I wish you all the very best.
Mr. AMGSC/Robert, I would not sir for one second try to vilify you or make a personal attack. There were many people here that genuinly tried to help you here, and to their credit, they tried again, and again, and again. You are the only reason this thread lasted so long, and you are the only reason this thread is the most informative and eye-opening thread that it is.
I would not bore you with the rants of how bad your lack of judgement is. But I fear for you that if this is how you deal with losses, you may find a tough future ahead of you. For one thing, there is something to be said about stopping oneself out of a loss, rather than blindly trying to squeeze a little good out of deteriorating catastrophe. You remind me of Nick Leeson, a guy up to no good in mid 90s. Try googling his name to see what I mean.
I wish you all the very best.
Besides helping everyone reading this forum have fun learning from other people's experiences with one of man's favorite hobbies, I was also trying to get these Kit manufacturers and Tuners to be truthful with consumers.
I am not trying to destroy my car just for fun but was geniunely trying to see if I can take a bargain of a name brand car (the C55) and raise it to SUPERCAR status performance wise. What got me started was the article in Car and Driver about the Kleemann C55 S8 that made 580rwhp with 0-60 in 3.6 seconds. I would have gone with Kleemann but could'nt make time to take the car all the way to Colorado and I happened to stumble onto HPS when I googled "Mercedes Superchargers". It was the first or second listing that came up. It still comes up today on page 1 either as HPS or Mechtech. Kleemann appears on page 2. The fact that they were only 3 miles from my workplace in OC was a key decision since I thought post-sale service was important with the proximity rather than dealing with Colorado Springs several hundred miles alway. At first I was suspicious of the price difference but when I discovered that the blower was made by the largest manufacturers of SC's in the world and most OEMs use Eaton's I was convinced. PRICE was never a major consideration.
I may have wasted alot of time and money trying to get this kit to work as promised but I DID COME CLOSE. What kept me going was the fact that I have only seen 1 dyno of a SC'd C55 that made more power than mine (AMGDRAGON's) but it was not done on a dynojet and did not measure true rear wheel horsepower. It was converted to brake horsepower by Kleemann using a theoritical conversion factor with the wrong correction factor. I'm not just calling out HPS but Kleemann, Renntech, Carlsson, Brabus, etc...or anyone else that makes a SC kit for the C55 to SHOW ME THE PROOF that we consumers are getting what we paid for!
In fact, If my engine gets a clean bill of health. I might be back at it again with a Hi-Flow Cats, Headers, Exhaust, Cams, Quaife LSD, Seconary Heat Exchanger and gaskets, phenolic spacers and port/polish of heads to lower CR. A friend of mine's C55 is going back to stock and wants to trade the above for my stock Exhaust. The only complication is what happens if I need to go back to stock and I don't have my stock components anymore? Should I do it?
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02-10-2007, 07:51 PM
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Wait a minute. You think I'm up to no good? Please clarify.
Besides helping everyone reading this forum have fun learning from other people's experiences with one of man's favorite hobbies, I was also trying to get these Kit manufacturers and Tuners to be truthful with consumers.
I am not trying to destroy my car just for fun but was geniunely trying to see if I can take a bargain of a name brand car (the C55) and raise it to SUPERCAR status performance wise. What got me started was the article in Car and Driver about the Kleemann C55 S8 that made 580rwhp with 0-60 in 3.6 seconds. I would have gone with Kleemann but could'nt make time to take the car all the way to Colorado and I happened to stumble onto HPS when I googled "Mercedes Superchargers". It was the first or second listing that came up. It still comes up today on page 1 either as HPS or Mechtech. Kleemann appears on page 2. The fact that they were only 3 miles from my workplace in OC was a key decision since I thought post-sale service was important with the proximity rather than dealing with Colorado Springs several hundred miles alway. At first I was suspicious of the price difference but when I discovered that the blower was made by the largest manufacturers of SC's in the world and most OEMs use Eaton's I was convinced. PRICE was never a major consideration.
I may have wasted alot of time and money trying to get this kit to work as promised but I DID COME CLOSE. What kept me going was the fact that I have only seen 1 dyno of a SC'd C55 that made more power than mine (AMGDRAGON's) but it was not done on a dynojet and did not measure true rear wheel horsepower. It was converted to brake horsepower by Kleemann using a theoritical conversion factor with the wrong correction factor. I'm not just calling out HPS but Kleemann, Renntech, Carlsson, Brabus, etc...or anyone else that makes a SC kit for the C55 to SHOW ME THE PROOF that we consumers are getting what me paid for!
In fact, If my engine gets a clean bill of health. I might be back at it again with a Hi-Flow Cats, Headers, Exhaust, Cams, Quaife LSD, Seconary Heat Exchanger and gaskets, phenolic spacers and port/polish of heads to lower CR. A friend of mine's C55 is going back to stock and wants to trade the above for my stock Exhaust. The only complication is what happens if I need to go back to stock and I don't have my stock components anymore? Should I do it?
Besides helping everyone reading this forum have fun learning from other people's experiences with one of man's favorite hobbies, I was also trying to get these Kit manufacturers and Tuners to be truthful with consumers.
I am not trying to destroy my car just for fun but was geniunely trying to see if I can take a bargain of a name brand car (the C55) and raise it to SUPERCAR status performance wise. What got me started was the article in Car and Driver about the Kleemann C55 S8 that made 580rwhp with 0-60 in 3.6 seconds. I would have gone with Kleemann but could'nt make time to take the car all the way to Colorado and I happened to stumble onto HPS when I googled "Mercedes Superchargers". It was the first or second listing that came up. It still comes up today on page 1 either as HPS or Mechtech. Kleemann appears on page 2. The fact that they were only 3 miles from my workplace in OC was a key decision since I thought post-sale service was important with the proximity rather than dealing with Colorado Springs several hundred miles alway. At first I was suspicious of the price difference but when I discovered that the blower was made by the largest manufacturers of SC's in the world and most OEMs use Eaton's I was convinced. PRICE was never a major consideration.
I may have wasted alot of time and money trying to get this kit to work as promised but I DID COME CLOSE. What kept me going was the fact that I have only seen 1 dyno of a SC'd C55 that made more power than mine (AMGDRAGON's) but it was not done on a dynojet and did not measure true rear wheel horsepower. It was converted to brake horsepower by Kleemann using a theoritical conversion factor with the wrong correction factor. I'm not just calling out HPS but Kleemann, Renntech, Carlsson, Brabus, etc...or anyone else that makes a SC kit for the C55 to SHOW ME THE PROOF that we consumers are getting what me paid for!
In fact, If my engine gets a clean bill of health. I might be back at it again with a Hi-Flow Cats, Headers, Exhaust, Cams, Quaife LSD, Seconary Heat Exchanger and gaskets, phenolic spacers and port/polish of heads to lower CR. A friend of mine's C55 is going back to stock and wants to trade the above for my stock Exhaust. The only complication is what happens if I need to go back to stock and I don't have my stock components anymore? Should I do it?
AMGSC I'm giving you some honest advice here. Go back and delete every single post you can from this thread. If any employer were to ever read this, you'd be stripped of any decision making powers and they'd probably try to find a reason to fire you. Any prospective employer will probably google your name, and if they somehow find this thread, you're TOAST!
02-10-2007, 08:07 PM
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I guess, you are somewhat right... the only thing this thread has helped,
is to avoid forum readers to follow in any of your tuning footsteps.
Good luck blowing up the 63 !!!
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AMGSC I'm giving you some honest advice here. Go back and delete every single post you can from this thread. If any employer were to ever read this, you'd be stripped of any decision making powers and they'd probably try to find a reason to fire you. Any prospective employer will probably google your name, and if they somehow find this thread, you're TOAST!
Next up for you!
When do you want to race for PINKS? I'm ready. As a matter of fact. Since I'm getting so much LOVE from C32 owners, here's my CHALLENGE. I will take on ANY C32 in a quarter mile race or 3 laps around either ButtonWillow or Willow Springs, CA tracks and the winner will take the other's ride for keeps! ITS TIME TO PUT UP or SHUT UP!
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02-10-2007, 08:23 PM
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Please!...I'd wish I'm that famous that my name would come up. Great free advertising for my custom kit (if I decide to go forth) would'nt it? Now you're getting silly.
Next up for you!
When do you want to race for PINKS? I'm ready. As a matter of fact. Since I'm getting so much LOVE from C32 owners, here's my CHALLENGE. I will take on ANY C32 in a quarter mile race or 3 laps around either ButtonWillow or Willow Springs, CA tracks and the winner will take the other's ride for keeps! ITS TIME TO PUT UP or SHUT UP!Please, save yourself some embarassment and move on. Your M113 is more likely to blow up than not so please don't abuse it any further.
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This thread may very end with either me making at least 450rwhp with my current motor or it blows for good.
Then I'll start another thread with a 6.3 motor and look for somebody to Twin Turbo it after lowering the CR to make 650bhp or something ridiculous. I'll still plan on doing it cheaper than having to buy a higher CLASS model with the OEM blower or Turbo. It'd be fun to blow away Z06s, M6s, and all the higher Benz classes for under $90K.
Then I'll start another thread with a 6.3 motor and look for somebody to Twin Turbo it after lowering the CR to make 650bhp or something ridiculous. I'll still plan on doing it cheaper than having to buy a higher CLASS model with the OEM blower or Turbo. It'd be fun to blow away Z06s, M6s, and all the higher Benz classes for under $90K.
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02-10-2007, 09:29 PM
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This thread may very end with either me making at least 450rwhp with my current motor or it blows for good.
Then I'll start another thread with a 6.3 motor and look for somebody to Twin Turbo it after lowering the CR to make 650bhp or something ridiculous. I'll still plan on doing it cheaper than having to buy a higher CLASS model with the OEM blower or Turbo. It'd be fun to blow away Z06s, M6s, and all the higher Benz classes for under $90K.
Then I'll start another thread with a 6.3 motor and look for somebody to Twin Turbo it after lowering the CR to make 650bhp or something ridiculous. I'll still plan on doing it cheaper than having to buy a higher CLASS model with the OEM blower or Turbo. It'd be fun to blow away Z06s, M6s, and all the higher Benz classes for under $90K.
It's good to have an ambition, but being realistic is also important...... How're you goin to put the 6.3 engine in your car? Where are you going to get one? What makes you think the new M273s appropriate for supercharging since it has high CR as well? What are you going to do to the Motronics? How about transmission? It uses the new 7G. How do you mate the engine with the older 5sp tranny?
I said it once and I'm going to say it again, "I feel sorry for your car because it has an owner like you."
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I'm convinced you should be barred from ever owning another Mercedes, or any nice car
For that matter, you really sound crazy here, constantly contradicting yourself, then actually planning on BLOWING UP YOUR MOTOR!
You say above that "PRICE WAS NEVER A MAJOR CONSIDERATION" then below you say you "Plan on doing it cheaper than having to buy the higher class model?"
I think you've lost it 
Come on man I know your a good guy, and share the same hobbies as us but.... What are you saying? Doing?
Wait a minute. You think I'm up to no good? Please clarify.
I am not trying to destroy my car just for fun......
PRICE was never a major consideration.
I may have wasted alot of time and money trying to get this kit to work as promised
In fact, If my engine gets a clean bill of health. I might be back at it again
I am not trying to destroy my car just for fun......
PRICE was never a major consideration.
I may have wasted alot of time and money trying to get this kit to work as promised
In fact, If my engine gets a clean bill of health. I might be back at it again
You say above that "PRICE WAS NEVER A MAJOR CONSIDERATION" then below you say you "Plan on doing it cheaper than having to buy the higher class model?"
This thread may very end with either me making at least 450rwhp with my current motor or it blows for good.
Then I'll start another thread with a 6.3 motor and look for somebody to Twin Turbo it after lowering the CR to make 650bhp or something ridiculous.
I'll still plan on doing it cheaper than having to buy a higher CLASS model.
Then I'll start another thread with a 6.3 motor and look for somebody to Twin Turbo it after lowering the CR to make 650bhp or something ridiculous.
I'll still plan on doing it cheaper than having to buy a higher CLASS model.
Come on man I know your a good guy, and share the same hobbies as us but.... What are you saying? Doing?
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02-10-2007, 09:41 PM
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For that matter, you really sound crazy here, constantly contradicting yourself, then actually planning on BLOWING UP YOUR MOTOR!
You say above that "PRICE WAS NEVER A MAJOR CONSIDERATION" then below you say you "Plan on doing it cheaper than having to buy the higher class model?"
I think you've lost it Come on man I know your a good guy, and share the same hobbies as us but.... What are you saying? Doing?
You say above that "PRICE WAS NEVER A MAJOR CONSIDERATION" then below you say you "Plan on doing it cheaper than having to buy the higher class model?"
I think you've lost it
Come on man I know your a good guy, and share the same hobbies as us but.... What are you saying? Doing?I want something truly UNIQUE that breaks the mold in terms of Value, Quality AND Performance. What if it can be done? I was hoping it was HPS but maybe another company? Imagine a common guy like some of us who can step into the SUPERCAR realm with a GERMAN made car for under $60K and add 150 to 250bhp for a grand total of under $70K.
The C55 or C63 would be a god among German tuner sedans!
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It's too easy to just buy an E, CL, CLS or S with Factory SCs or TTs. You'll be just like EVERYBODY else who can affort it. You'll be one of the many clones with money.
I want something truly UNIQUE that breaks the mold in terms of Value, Quality AND Performance. What if it can be done? I was hoping it was HPS but maybe another company? Imagine a common guy like some of us who can step into the SUPERCAR realm with a GERMAN made car for under $60K and add 150 to 250bhp for a grand total of under $70K.
The C55 or C63 would be a god among German tuner sedans!
I want something truly UNIQUE that breaks the mold in terms of Value, Quality AND Performance. What if it can be done? I was hoping it was HPS but maybe another company? Imagine a common guy like some of us who can step into the SUPERCAR realm with a GERMAN made car for under $60K and add 150 to 250bhp for a grand total of under $70K.
The C55 or C63 would be a god among German tuner sedans!
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It's too easy to just buy an E, CL, CLS or S with Factory SCs or TTs. You'll be just like EVERYBODY else who can affort it. You'll be one of the many clones with money.
I want something truly UNIQUE that breaks the mold in terms of Value, Quality AND Performance. What if it can be done? I was hoping it was HPS but maybe another company? Imagine a common guy like some of us who can step into the SUPERCAR realm with a GERMAN made car for under $60K and add 150 to 250bhp for a grand total of under $70K.
The C55 or C63 would be a god among German tuner sedans!
I want something truly UNIQUE that breaks the mold in terms of Value, Quality AND Performance. What if it can be done? I was hoping it was HPS but maybe another company? Imagine a common guy like some of us who can step into the SUPERCAR realm with a GERMAN made car for under $60K and add 150 to 250bhp for a grand total of under $70K.
The C55 or C63 would be a god among German tuner sedans!
This does not reflect Jessies abilities, as the gen II is inherently flawed.
Given what he had to work with (gen II) it's truely amazing that he got any power outta that blower, a true credit to his tunning abilities
I hear he's working on TT for his new CLS63
That is gonna be hott!!
Also using a Merc as a platform??? If you want Super Car perf grab a C6 and slap twins on 'err you'll run in the 9's for about 70k and be able to handle the twisties...
But with your mentality I'm surprised you have'nt just tried adding NOS to your current set-up? talk about going out with a BANG
Obviously you'll do what you want w/your car, but the Huns are restless & you're bound to get far more negative replies if you continue this path...Good luck!
All these statements are merely my opinions, yours may vary.
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02-10-2007, 10:19 PM
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Just curious...Are you an HPS customer or basher? Either way I'll be truthful and tell you that I'm still waiting since I have not heard from Jim yet. He told me it would take 1 day...Jim also told me they are upgrading the intercooler that is much more durable and higher capacity with greater cooling surface area. I hope ALL HPS customers gets theirs replaced as well. Hey if you are an HPS customer I'm sacrificing my car to make the kit better component by component, one at a time for all. Don't forget to thank me by honking your horn if you see me on the freeways of SO CAL!
02-10-2007, 10:23 PM
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Just curious...Are you an HPS customer or basher? Either way I'll be truthful and tell you that I'm still waiting since I have not heard from Jim yet. He told me it would take 1 day...Jim also told me they are upgrading the intercooler that is much more durable and higher capacity with greater cooling surface area. I hope ALL HPS customers gets theirs replaced as well. Hey if you are an HPS customer I'm sacrificing my car to make the kit better component by component, one at a time for all. Don't forget to thank me by honking your horn if you see me on the freeways of SO CAL!
