Need Advice on Adding More Power to HPS SC
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Originally Posted by Clk&Slk
Mario, thanks for being honest. This take away my worry also. Well, you didn't blames HPS but Josh, Mark...etc sure make it sound it HPS fault !!! It really not HPS fault in my opinion because the kit was second hand and it was not installed by HPS approved shop. If it was installed by HPS shop, gaurantee that the shop would know the lean problem during the dyno and fix the problem. Your lean problem could very well be a bad FMU went bad during installation/removal or just went bad like any eletronic parts. The first generation sc came with a non-adjustable FMU (to customer) but it came pre-adjust at the factory for HPS. It can not be HPS fault because they didn't install the kit and so they have no dyno to show if the air fuel ratio was right. The second generation sc all have the adjustable FMU. Sorry, got to go. I'll e-mail you when i find time. Thank you.
Once gain I just want to state the kit was all new including all piping, hoses, wires, filter, brakets and the FMU. The only part that was pre-owned was the Eaton blower it self.
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So again if you're interested just show up. This is an informal meet so nothing fancy. Might even do a photoshot if time allows
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Sorry to get you all excited Josh but SuperC55 had to reschedule. I'm down pretty much anytime but i wanted to see his car. Btw just got some pics of SuperC55's car. I'll create another thread for it later.
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Originally Posted by Josh K
I have to point out that a kit is a kit and it shouldn't really matter who does the install assuming they know their way around a motor, and Mario has mechanical knowledge in spades. The fact is that there were no problems with the installation or the FMU; the FMU was functioning properly, it just wasn't the right FMU for the job. Packaging a kit with the wrong FMU is either an engineering issue (as it makes no sense to include a non adjustable FMU on a F/I application with no software) or a marketing issue (cheap FMU = less overhead cost = more profit), not an install issue. Even if it was installed by an HPS approved shop with a dyno, with a non-adjustable FMU how would the lean problem have been corrected? There's a good reason they switched to an adjustable FMU in their 2nd gen kits...
How do you know it the wrong FMU? HPS used only one type of FMU (non-adjust and adjustable).The FMU is nothing more then just a voltages clamp. The one that HOP installed does the same thing. The only thing that's difference is, it adjustable and it from difference brand. All HPS FMU are pre-adjust from the factory to HPS spec. HPS has no way of knowing if the FMU is within HPS spec. unless the car is on the dyno. If this was install by HPS, Mario's car would not have run LEAN because they would detect it a bad FMU. It funny that Mario didn't blames HPS for his problem except HOP cutomers.
If i was HPS, i would never get involve with a second hand system again because they have no way of knowing if everything still working right after they removal of the kit. HPS was nice enough to help out others and this is what they get in return.
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Originally Posted by Clk&Slk
How do you know it the wrong FMU? HPS used only one type of FMU (non-adjust and adjustable).The FMU is nothing more then just a voltages clamp. The one that HOP installed does the same thing. The only thing that's difference is, it adjustable and it from difference brand. All HPS FMU are pre-adjust from the factory to HPS spec. HPS has no way of knowing if the FMU is within HPS spec. unless the car is on the dyno. If this was install by HPS, Mario's car would not have run LEAN because they would detect it a bad FMU.
In any case, who cares - the problem is fixed, the car runs right, and makes more power. :0)
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Originally Posted by Josh K
The FMU is a voltage clamp??? LMAO I'm not even going to try to explain where you're wrong on that one...
Just to clarify, HPS uses a Split Second VC1 or VC2 to condition the output voltage. My kit included a Vortech 12:1 universal FMU.
BTW: Josh K, madd props on ur Vortech CLK
I recall seeing it at the VIP show last month.
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Originally Posted by Richard023
Just to clarify, HPS uses a Split Second VC1 or VC2 to condition the output voltage.
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I know, my point is, both are voltages clamps. One is adjustable and the other are non-adjustable. You're right, customer are happy. Josh right, i got mixed up. That's all it matter.
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Originally Posted by Clk&Slk
I know, my point is, both are voltages clamps. One is adjustable and the other are non-adjustable. You're right, customer are happy. Josh right, i got mixed up. That's all it matter.
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Originally Posted by Clk&Slk
E55cent,
Since Josh's car was there, did you guys do any kind of racing?
Since Josh's car was there, did you guys do any kind of racing?
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Originally Posted by E55Cent
Yeah, we did a little 20mph to 60. The cars were almost dead even but we had to stop early because I truck pulled out infront of Josh. I'm sure we will do a run very soon, when we can plan it better. Josh's car is very fast even though our HP and TQ curves are completely different.
No doubt that Josh's car is fast but rolling start racing from 20 mph, our torque curve does not benefit that much. Stand still start would tell a totally difference story because of the torque and power come sooner. Here's example of some cars, the S2000 sc'ed can keep up with the Slk 32 on a rolling start and i've seen the s2000 sometime even pass the Slk 32 very slowly on the top end. But when they race from stand still, the Slk 32 pretty much leave the S2000 sc'ed in the dust. from 20 mph, I would guess that Josh already manually down shift waiting to punch it, whicj mean his engine already in his sweet power band. Round coming soon.............????
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Originally Posted by Clk&Slk
No doubt that Josh's car is fast but rolling start racing from 20 mph, our torque curve does not benefit that much. Stand still start would tell a totally difference story because of the torque and power come sooner. Here's example of some cars, the S2000 sc'ed can keep up with the Slk 32 on a rolling start and i've seen the s2000 sometime even pass the Slk 32 very slowly on the top end. But when they race from stand still, the Slk 32 pretty much leave the S2000 sc'ed in the dust. from 20 mph, I would guess that Josh already manually down shift waiting to punch it, whicj mean his engine already in his sweet power band. Round coming soon.............????
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Originally Posted by Clk&Slk
No doubt that Josh's car is fast but rolling start racing from 20 mph, our torque curve does not benefit that much. Stand still start would tell a totally difference story because of the torque and power come sooner. Here's example of some cars, the S2000 sc'ed can keep up with the Slk 32 on a rolling start and i've seen the s2000 sometime even pass the Slk 32 very slowly on the top end. But when they race from stand still, the Slk 32 pretty much leave the S2000 sc'ed in the dust. from 20 mph, I would guess that Josh already manually down shift waiting to punch it, whicj mean his engine already in his sweet power band. Round coming soon.............????
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Well The Dyno was done yesterday...
NOT the Gains as HPS has stated...310 HP at the Wheels..
Far from the 150HP as listed on his web site...
Also Its VERY VERY LEAN on the Air Fuel!
Oh and its Not running the LOW boost as stated...
Checked it ...on the dyno
The above dyno that Vdoc posted cannot be from a HPS car..look at it close!
No tricks No games JUST FACTS!
Adam will be over to HOP Next week to figure out what is wrong.. Vadim will be there also...Vdoc stop on over and chat with Adam!
This is NOT to Discredit HPS ..Just show real facts..
Btw I Do NOT work for HOP or have a HOP system..
Just want real numbers..NO Cooked Numbers..
Vdoc (IF) You had a HPS system I would offer you a Free Dyno..But since you do NOT maybe another time!
Oh and Linh will be stopping over for his dyno..
NOT the Gains as HPS has stated...310 HP at the Wheels..
Far from the 150HP as listed on his web site...
Also Its VERY VERY LEAN on the Air Fuel!
Oh and its Not running the LOW boost as stated...
Checked it ...on the dyno
The above dyno that Vdoc posted cannot be from a HPS car..look at it close!
No tricks No games JUST FACTS!
Adam will be over to HOP Next week to figure out what is wrong.. Vadim will be there also...Vdoc stop on over and chat with Adam!
This is NOT to Discredit HPS ..Just show real facts..
Btw I Do NOT work for HOP or have a HOP system..
Just want real numbers..NO Cooked Numbers..
Vdoc (IF) You had a HPS system I would offer you a Free Dyno..But since you do NOT maybe another time!
Oh and Linh will be stopping over for his dyno..
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Originally Posted by Josh K
Actually, the question now is, when do I get to line up next to your car Linh?
To be honest, i think you have no problem beating me. You're just 40-50 rwhp less then me but my car weigh at least 1000 lbs. more !!!! Do the math? I personally think your car would be able to pull on Mario's car too on the top end if you guy do rolling start race. Even those, Mario's car is an 55 but the power are all most the same.
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Wow, $6500 for a 17hp gain over stock. That's about $382 per HP. HPS uses a dyno? What dyno? 
If AMGSC's car is really making 479ish RWHP, why would he even need to add more HP???
If AMGSC's car is really making 479ish RWHP, why would he even need to add more HP???
Originally Posted by MARK CUMMINS
Well The Dyno was done yesterday...
NOT the Gains as HPS has stated...310 HP at the Wheels..
Far from the 150HP as listed on his web site...
Also Its VERY VERY LEAN on the Air Fuel!
Oh and its Not running the LOW boost as stated...
Checked it ...on the dyno
The above dyno that Vdoc posted cannot be from a HPS car..look at it close!
No tricks No games JUST FACTS!
Adam will be over to HOP Next week to figure out what is wrong.. Vadim will be there also...Vdoc stop on over and chat with Adam!
This is NOT to Discredit HPS ..Just show real facts..
Btw I Do NOT work for HOP or have a HOP system..
Just want real numbers..NO Cooked Numbers..
Vdoc (IF) You had a HPS system I would offer you a Free Dyno..But since you do NOT maybe another time!
Oh and Linh will be stopping over for his dyno..
NOT the Gains as HPS has stated...310 HP at the Wheels..
Far from the 150HP as listed on his web site...
Also Its VERY VERY LEAN on the Air Fuel!
Oh and its Not running the LOW boost as stated...
Checked it ...on the dyno
The above dyno that Vdoc posted cannot be from a HPS car..look at it close!
No tricks No games JUST FACTS!
Adam will be over to HOP Next week to figure out what is wrong.. Vadim will be there also...Vdoc stop on over and chat with Adam!
This is NOT to Discredit HPS ..Just show real facts..
Btw I Do NOT work for HOP or have a HOP system..
Just want real numbers..NO Cooked Numbers..
Vdoc (IF) You had a HPS system I would offer you a Free Dyno..But since you do NOT maybe another time!
Oh and Linh will be stopping over for his dyno..
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Originally Posted by MARK CUMMINS
Well The Dyno was done yesterday...
NOT the Gains as HPS has stated...310 HP at the Wheels..
Far from the 150HP as listed on his web site...
Also Its VERY VERY LEAN on the Air Fuel!
Oh and its Not running the LOW boost as stated...
Checked it ...on the dyno
The above dyno that Vdoc posted cannot be from a HPS car..look at it close!
No tricks No games JUST FACTS!
Adam will be over to HOP Next week to figure out what is wrong.. Vadim will be there also...Vdoc stop on over and chat with Adam!
This is NOT to Discredit HPS ..Just show real facts..
Btw I Do NOT work for HOP or have a HOP system..
Just want real numbers..NO Cooked Numbers..
Vdoc (IF) You had a HPS system I would offer you a Free Dyno..But since you do NOT maybe another time!
Oh and Linh will be stopping over for his dyno..
NOT the Gains as HPS has stated...310 HP at the Wheels..
Far from the 150HP as listed on his web site...
Also Its VERY VERY LEAN on the Air Fuel!
Oh and its Not running the LOW boost as stated...
Checked it ...on the dyno
The above dyno that Vdoc posted cannot be from a HPS car..look at it close!
No tricks No games JUST FACTS!
Adam will be over to HOP Next week to figure out what is wrong.. Vadim will be there also...Vdoc stop on over and chat with Adam!
This is NOT to Discredit HPS ..Just show real facts..
Btw I Do NOT work for HOP or have a HOP system..
Just want real numbers..NO Cooked Numbers..
Vdoc (IF) You had a HPS system I would offer you a Free Dyno..But since you do NOT maybe another time!
Oh and Linh will be stopping over for his dyno..
Please respond Thanx!
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Originally Posted by coolcarlskiC43
MarK I'm confused ,now which car are we talking about? Please respond Thanx!
Please respond Thanx!
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Originally Posted by E55Cent
They are talking about AMGSC car. I guess the HP gain was very low. I'm curious what the problems are to make his car run so poorly. I wonder where all that air it going to?
Let's just wait and see guys because something wrong is definitely going on here!Hopefully the lean condition dd'nt damage anything.This thing should be putting out almost 400whp or a lil more Mario based on just looking at the nice results of your more conservative setup.
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Well Mark stated that the car is running super lean.It also seems like the intercooler may not be cooling the intake charge for some reason.There has got to be something seriously wrng here.A supercharger failure could be one other reason as this car is running close to stck dyno #'s. Let's just wait and see guys because something wrong is definitely going on here!Hopefully the lean condition dd'nt damage anything.This thing should be putting out almost 400whp or a lil more Mario based on just looking at the nice results of your more conservative setup
The hardware has been improved and looks a lot more professional now. But the problem is still the same, no tuning.
Giving customers fake dyno graphs from other cars is only going to get HPS an adverserial meetings with local judges.
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Originally Posted by smgC32
Where is the dyno shop? I might be able to make it. And why don't any of you get off the drag strip and come out to a road course and play? 
