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Old Aug 17, 2007 | 04:32 AM
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Question ? Who Has A Better Chance?

02 C32 PRACTICALLY STOCK VS. A STOCK WS6

MY FRIEND WANTS TO RACE MY 02 C32 AGAINST A FRIENDS WS6 2000 UP.

MY ONLY CURRENT MODS ARE MAGNECOR WIRES, DENSO IK20 IRIDIUM PLUGS, SL55-SPLITTER AND GREEN FILTERS WHILE OUR OTHER FREINDS WS6 IS STOCK.

WHAT IS YOUR OPINIONS ABOUT THIS POSSIBLE RACE?


MY OPINION ITS A DRIVERS RACE.
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Old Aug 17, 2007 | 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by c32used
02 C32 PRACTICALLY STOCK VS. A STOCK WS6

MY FRIEND WANTS TO RACE MY 02 C32 AGAINST A FRIENDS WS6 2000 UP.

MY ONLY CURRENT MODS ARE MAGNECOR WIRES, DENSO IK20 IRIDIUM PLUGS, SL55-SPLITTER AND GREEN FILTERS WHILE OUR OTHER FREINDS WS6 IS STOCK.

WHAT IS YOUR OPINIONS ABOUT THIS POSSIBLE RACE?


MY OPINION ITS A DRIVERS RACE.
i think the C32 should be able to take the WS6, it will be a drivers race. ur just a little litter then him and both cars have about the same horse power, but power to weight and better traction will help u be the winner. just for the little extra edge have only a quarter tank of gas when u race him. then again if his car is convertible then the c32 will beat him hands down. worst case take him around corners.
p.s i have beaten many trans-am before so i know it can be done. i have even had a bad start and still took the trans-am. everything plays a factor the lag time between shifts especially.

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Old Aug 17, 2007 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by c32used
02 C32 PRACTICALLY STOCK VS. A STOCK WS6

MY FRIEND WANTS TO RACE MY 02 C32 AGAINST A FRIENDS WS6 2000 UP.

MY ONLY CURRENT MODS ARE MAGNECOR WIRES, DENSO IK20 IRIDIUM PLUGS, SL55-SPLITTER AND GREEN FILTERS WHILE OUR OTHER FREINDS WS6 IS STOCK.

WHAT IS YOUR OPINIONS ABOUT THIS POSSIBLE RACE?


MY OPINION ITS A DRIVERS RACE.
What the heck is a WS6??
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Old Aug 17, 2007 | 09:10 AM
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What the heck is a WS6??

Google dude!
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Old Aug 17, 2007 | 01:32 PM
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I think you would have an edge at the launch.. Lighter and more HP on the C32.. You will definitely be enjoying the ride more.. The WS6 is one fugly *** car in my opinion..
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Old Aug 17, 2007 | 06:01 PM
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you will take him victor, but i would definitely do the run when your car is cool, so you don't have to worry about possible heat soak issues...
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Old Aug 18, 2007 | 06:03 AM
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I live in Uk, never heard of a ws6. So i googled it, and up comes this hideous looking contraption. I didn't bother to read what power it made or other stuff. What i do know is that if your remove the Vmax on you benz you will hit 176 mph - i doubt the ws6 can get to that speed!

What fuel do you guys in US run, last time i was there you couldn't easily get more than 95 octane. Is this still the case? I always run my car on Shell V-power 99 octane. But then in UK we get screwed for the price. We pay £1 per litre!!!

Enjoy racing.

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Old Aug 18, 2007 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Al-c32
What fuel do you guys in US run, last time i was there you couldn't easily get more than 95 octane. Is this still the case? I always run my car on Shell V-power 99 octane. But then in UK we get screwed for the price. We pay £1 per litre!!!

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Premium is going to run 91-93 octane here. Cost - last time I filled up I paid something like $2.83 per gallon, or by my calculations (could be a touch off here) £ 0.37 / Liter

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Old Aug 18, 2007 | 11:46 AM
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an LS1 WS6 is capable of high 12's bone stock with a great driver or low 13's with an average driver. If he's average, it should be a driver's race. If he's great, you'll probably lose by a car or two.
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Old Aug 18, 2007 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Al-c32
What fuel do you guys in US run, last time i was there you couldn't easily get more than 95 octane.
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Octane calculations in the US are different than in Europe.
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Old Aug 19, 2007 | 03:58 AM
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Well thanks Guys! He is pretty experienced but I don't think he really don't want to race cause he is usually gunho with any race and when I killed him in the past with my 02 Yamaha R1 vs his I think 98 Kawasaki ZX7 he was way over matched but he still did it but hesitantly. He will race if provoked but my friend Sam(Jerry and 1fastC32 met him) loves going up against everything whenever he drives my car to test it out and he feels that he can win easily since in the past when I had my 01 IS300 well he(WS6) and my friend(RX-8)and I(01 IS300) raced on RT. 53 and a Nissan 350 came along and he(WS6) could not pull away from the Nissan but my Italian friend can take just about anything to the extreme....weight differrence between him and my friend Sam is about 70lbs to his advantage. If the race ever happens then it will be posted in kill stories. Wish my car luck if it happens! Just another question while we are discussing competition....how will a stock C32 fair up against a stock C5 vette? I know the vette has a range of 345-350hp but thats about it but that don't always matter so has anyone raced stock for stock against a C5 vette?
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Old Aug 19, 2007 | 03:34 PM
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stock C5's trap a few mph higher than a stock C32, so as long the other driver can get traction/shift ok, you will probably lose.

Then again, I've seen a C6 ZO6 run 14.x at the track. So anything can happen, especially on the street.
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Old Aug 19, 2007 | 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by BLWNAMG
stock C5's trap a few mph higher than a stock C32, so as long the other driver can get traction/shift ok, you will probably lose.

Then again, I've seen a C6 ZO6 run 14.x at the track. So anything can happen, especially on the street.

Well I do know that stock times are like on motorcycles its by a professional in a closed setting so there is no guarratee that a racer will do the stock average times but at the same time they might do better. Thanks
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Old Aug 20, 2007 | 07:23 AM
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dunno about the ws6 in particular but when i had my c32 went up against 2 ss camaros w/no problems. they were extremely suprised to say the least.
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Old Aug 20, 2007 | 01:46 PM
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dunno about the ws6 in particular but when i had my c32 went up against 2 ss camaros w/no problems. they were extremely suprised to say the least.
Was your C32 stock then? Was it the 1998-2002 Caamaro SS cause according to Wikipedia.org those year production of the final body style camaro before they were stopped being produced for lack of sales had a LS1 with power range from 305-350 hp and 335-365 torque as explained below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_LS_engine#LS1

I presume prior to 1998 they used the LT1 as stated here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_LT_engine#LT1

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Old Aug 20, 2007 | 02:30 PM
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my c32 had only green air filters and sprint booster. so yes- basically stock. they were ls1's.
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Old Aug 20, 2007 | 07:01 PM
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dunno about the ws6 in particular but when i had my c32 went up against 2 ss camaros w/no problems. they were extremely suprised to say the least.
yah, but were they LS1's or LT1's? There is a big difference
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Old Aug 20, 2007 | 07:02 PM
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yah, but were they LS1's or LT1's? There is a big difference
sorry. didnt see the above post.
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Old Aug 20, 2007 | 07:03 PM
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I have raced several WS6's down here in Tucson. A stock one pulled on me about a halfcar to a car on a roll. From a dig, it was pretty close b/c he didnt get traction.
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yah, but were they LS1's or LT1's? There is a big difference
since i raced both from a stop to about 80 the ls1 was at a disadvantage since the lt1's were better for stoplight racing due to the flat torque curve. after about 60 the ls1 takes over. either way- from a roll i'd give it to the ls1.

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Old Aug 21, 2007 | 01:18 AM
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Well I do know that stock times are like on motorcycles its by a professional in a closed setting so there is no guarratee that a racer will do the stock average times but at the same time they might do better. Thanks
huh? stock times are stock times.....an ET that is driven by a professional in a stock car is a stock time. An ET driven by an amature in a stock car is also a stock time.

Not sure what you're trying to say here. As I said in my last post, i've seen stock C5's run high 12's and I've also seen stock C5's run 14's. Depends on the driver and track conditions.

Take the driver skill out of the equation and the C5 will win.
With EQUALLY skilled drivers, driven on the same track under the same conditions, etc...etc....the C5 will win.
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Old Aug 21, 2007 | 03:51 AM
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huh? stock times are stock times.....an ET that is driven by a professional in a stock car is a stock time. An ET driven by an amature in a stock car is also a stock time.

Not sure what you're trying to say here. As I said in my last post, i've seen stock C5's run high 12's and I've also seen stock C5's run 14's. Depends on the driver and track conditions.

Take the driver skill out of the equation and the C5 will win.
With EQUALLY skilled drivers, driven on the same track under the same conditions, etc...etc....the C5 will win.
What I meant was stock times on a car or bike just means that the average time stock doesn't mean everyone can hit those times. While practice makes perfect thats all. On a 99 ZX9 Kawasaki a non-proffesional rider was able to do high 9's in the quarter stock but the factory numbers were in the low to mid tens thats an example of what I mean. I am thrilled regardless that this 4 door sedan came keep up or beat that strong of company thats all. With mods that company becomes deadmeat

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Originally Posted by amgmark
I think you would have an edge at the launch.. Lighter and more HP on the C32.. You will definitely be enjoying the ride more.. The WS6 is one fugly *** car in my opinion..

You were correct at the launch my car then pulled nearly 2 cars right away and couldn't pull further...I won cause of my nice lead...the WS6 was slowly but surely catching but not enough to win by the quartermile...it was fun!

My two good friends always had a almost sibling rivalry on whose the faster man and well one does have branging rights now...

I doubt the WS6 will race me now...that I am modded but curious to see what the additional power does to him this time.
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 04:21 PM
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You were correct at the launch my car then pulled nearly 2 cars right away and couldn't pull further...I won cause of my nice lead...the WS6 was slowly but surely catching but not enough to win by the quartermile...it was fun!

My two good friends always had a almost sibling rivalry on whose the faster man and well one does have branging rights now...

I doubt the WS6 will race me now...that I am modded but curious to see what the additional power does to him this time.
Being a former F-body owner/racer, I'm honestly surprised you were able to beat him. A stock 6-speed WS6 Trans Am traps 106+ in the 1/4. My stock automatic LS1 Z28 ran a 13.35 @ 105 my first pass down the track, and then I simply took the air filter out for my second pass which dropped it to a 13.15 @ 105.5. If he's smart enough to think of simply removing his air filter for the run, he would've been much more competitive.
You also asked about a stock C5 Vette. Well, just consider it's a lighter car w/ the same engine as the WS6, and better traction off the line. Having driven them myself, I'd wager on the C5 winning by several lengths. However, you could be dealing w/ an inexperienced driver too, therefore it becomes a driver's race again. If he's a 6-speed, you just need to intimidate him a little bit and make him dump the clutch and spin a bit. He'll still likely run you down around the 1000' mark though, as they run 108 in the 1/4.
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The race was against a auto 2000 WS6 and honestly I have yet to meet a person who whatever he drives he takes it to the extreme...I did post a video showing how quickly my car then stock just pulled on him to a two car lead but my buddy who drove my car being 220+ pounds compared to 150lbs and under for the WS6 driver told me he was seeing the WS6 slowing catching up to him. We raced twice but only recorded one and the same identical outcome. I really thought it was going to be a driver's race but the actual race surprised me... The driver of the WS6 did run alot on that day and even challenged his brother in a 1991 Vette several times and he smoked his brother...my AMG just was the better car that day...
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