carbon fiber Driveshaft
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c-class drive shafts are not the same, would have been nice if they were. Dealer told me they were all differant. This is going to be a hard mod to do but i will do it. I most liky will be out of a car for a few weeks.
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It would be nice to hear what one of the guys from LET, VRP or EVOsport have to say on this.
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its VERY difficult to do and usually are only done on cars that are very wide spread (like camaros, mustangs, etc). Very few will be doing it for small production runs simply b/c the setup time and R&D to make the prototype is very capital intensive and they need to make sure the overall production run over the life of the product will return the initial investment and then some. Plus its simply not easy turning CF into a shaft and attaching CNC machined ends to it.
Again if you can get it done, mad props, but its difficult to the extreme to say the least. TO me this would seem more logical to do on an E55 but thats just me.
Again if you can get it done, mad props, but its difficult to the extreme to say the least. TO me this would seem more logical to do on an E55 but thats just me.
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We can absolutely do a CF shaft. I would need some people to want them.
I have had one on my race car and my street car (both BMW M3's) during development of the e46 one.
It is late so I am not up to going through the thread and responding to each question. However, I am in the thread now and happy to reply to questions moving forward. Fire away.
thanks
Brad
I have had one on my race car and my street car (both BMW M3's) during development of the e46 one.
It is late so I am not up to going through the thread and responding to each question. However, I am in the thread now and happy to reply to questions moving forward. Fire away.
thanks
Brad
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thats an easy one....is there a measurable benefit???
We can absolutely do a CF shaft. I would need some people to want them.
I have had one on my race car and my street car (both BMW M3's) during development of the e46 one.
It is late so I am not up to going through the thread and responding to each question. However, I am in the thread now and happy to reply to questions moving forward. Fire away.
thanks
Brad
I have had one on my race car and my street car (both BMW M3's) during development of the e46 one.
It is late so I am not up to going through the thread and responding to each question. However, I am in the thread now and happy to reply to questions moving forward. Fire away.
thanks
Brad
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guys did anyone check to see if it is aluminum or not yet? Because as mentioned before, there will not be much of a difference then. All you need is a magnet to find out if it is steel or not.
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very few OEMs will do aluminum b/c it is not as safe as steel. I am almost certain its steel, it may be smaller and less robust in order to save weight but I'm pretty sure its steel.
If you can do something Brad that would be fantastic, There is definitely a market for it.
If you can do something Brad that would be fantastic, There is definitely a market for it.
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Well yes. Anytime that you increase the efficiency of your drivetrain, you will have a measurable improvement. The better question is "what" and that remains to be seen, as each type of car responds differently.
However, performance improvement as far as hp/q is not the only benefit. A CF DS is much easier on your diff and half-shafts (as the elasticity absorbs much of the driveline shock that would otherwise be transmitted into the diff and beyond). Further, due to the elasticity, it works much like a drag tire to help "snap" the car during the secondary stages of off-the-line acceleration.
Steel
I need some local buyers, someone who is willing to do this:
We are most likely building one for the CLK63 BS this summer anyhow, so adding more MBZ fitments will be a no-brainer.
thanks
brad
However, performance improvement as far as hp/q is not the only benefit. A CF DS is much easier on your diff and half-shafts (as the elasticity absorbs much of the driveline shock that would otherwise be transmitted into the diff and beyond). Further, due to the elasticity, it works much like a drag tire to help "snap" the car during the secondary stages of off-the-line acceleration.
- say YES, I want one
- give me the car and let us measure, examine, etc
- Bring the car back in for test fitting once or perhaps twice
- give me real world feedback for 30 days prior to final approval for release to others
We are most likely building one for the CLK63 BS this summer anyhow, so adding more MBZ fitments will be a no-brainer.
thanks
brad
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I want one. Would the price be comprable to the ones you have for the BMW M3's on evosports website? If you can get a C55 one messured up I'm all over it. and I'm sure the E55 and C32 guys would do it as well if they new it was available as a mod. I would pay $1300-$1500 for one or if you could beat that even better.
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Well yes. Anytime that you increase the efficiency of your drivetrain, you will have a measurable improvement. The better question is "what" and that remains to be seen, as each type of car responds differently.
However, performance improvement as far as hp/q is not the only benefit. A CF DS is much easier on your diff and half-shafts (as the elasticity absorbs much of the driveline shock that would otherwise be transmitted into the diff and beyond). Further, due to the elasticity, it works much like a drag tire to help "snap" the car during the secondary stages of off-the-line acceleration.
Steel
I need some local buyers, someone who is willing to do this:
We are most likely building one for the CLK63 BS this summer anyhow, so adding more MBZ fitments will be a no-brainer.
thanks
brad
However, performance improvement as far as hp/q is not the only benefit. A CF DS is much easier on your diff and half-shafts (as the elasticity absorbs much of the driveline shock that would otherwise be transmitted into the diff and beyond). Further, due to the elasticity, it works much like a drag tire to help "snap" the car during the secondary stages of off-the-line acceleration.
Steel
I need some local buyers, someone who is willing to do this:
- say YES, I want one
- give me the car and let us measure, examine, etc
- Bring the car back in for test fitting once or perhaps twice
- give me real world feedback for 30 days prior to final approval for release to others
We are most likely building one for the CLK63 BS this summer anyhow, so adding more MBZ fitments will be a no-brainer.
thanks
brad
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I'm in LA. If you can start it before Victor and Vadim@VRP.
I can leave my car for you for 1 to 2 weeks max.
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Alright guys, I will start working on it Monday. I have an e55 here now we can start with.
Robert, let me start this, then I will talk to you about your car.
thanks
Brad
Robert, let me start this, then I will talk to you about your car.
thanks
Brad
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There is nothing like a company that listens to its market and customers. We asked and expressed interest and Evosport answered! simply amazing to say the least. I cant wait to get one on my C55 If i was in LA I would be waiting at your shop to hand you over my car.
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Not that i know anything about driveshafts but i cant think of a reason other than a little more expensive not to have a CF drive shaft. From what I've read it just seems like something that should be standard on all cars mainly performance cars. Safer and more efficient with a cf drive shaft you will most likely get more power to the wheels, higher revs, maybe better gas millage, smoother shifts? less stress on the motor, reduction in weight, The list kind of goes on. Granted I've based this on nothing that i have experienced first hand.
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Sounds very interesting and I also join in with others in how educated people are on these forumss. For us car novices, how difficult is the process of changing out drive shafts? Being a LONG way from the left coast, I will obviously have to have a qualified mechanic do this and I am quite sure the dealership will not touch this.
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Sounds very interesting and I also join in with others in how educated people are on these forumss. For us car novices, how difficult is the process of changing out drive shafts? Being a LONG way from the left coast, I will obviously have to have a qualified mechanic do this and I am quite sure the dealership will not touch this.
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Only one.... Price... thats the only real barrier to high sales in CF shafts. But for the MB crowd its not really THAT expensive compared to alot of the other pricey mods out there so for us its alot more attractive.
To me the #1 market is E55 (most mod prone, most power, most money in that specific niche market), then the 63 engines, then it will trickle down into the smaller AMGs and eventually non AMGs. Takes time, capital investment and lots of R&D, but its a great product, plus it will really make the car perform much better in the real world. And in an ever increasing price gas market, efficiency is never a bad thing and is yet another selling point.
To me the #1 market is E55 (most mod prone, most power, most money in that specific niche market), then the 63 engines, then it will trickle down into the smaller AMGs and eventually non AMGs. Takes time, capital investment and lots of R&D, but its a great product, plus it will really make the car perform much better in the real world. And in an ever increasing price gas market, efficiency is never a bad thing and is yet another selling point.
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Well yes. Anytime that you increase the efficiency of your drivetrain, you will have a measurable improvement. The better question is "what" and that remains to be seen, as each type of car responds differently.
However, performance improvement as far as hp/q is not the only benefit. A CF DS is much easier on your diff and half-shafts (as the elasticity absorbs much of the driveline shock that would otherwise be transmitted into the diff and beyond). Further, due to the elasticity, it works much like a drag tire to help "snap" the car during the secondary stages of off-the-line acceleration.
Steel
I need some local buyers, someone who is willing to do this:
We are most likely building one for the CLK63 BS this summer anyhow, so adding more MBZ fitments will be a no-brainer.
thanks
brad
However, performance improvement as far as hp/q is not the only benefit. A CF DS is much easier on your diff and half-shafts (as the elasticity absorbs much of the driveline shock that would otherwise be transmitted into the diff and beyond). Further, due to the elasticity, it works much like a drag tire to help "snap" the car during the secondary stages of off-the-line acceleration.
Steel
I need some local buyers, someone who is willing to do this:
- say YES, I want one
- give me the car and let us measure, examine, etc
- Bring the car back in for test fitting once or perhaps twice
- give me real world feedback for 30 days prior to final approval for release to others
We are most likely building one for the CLK63 BS this summer anyhow, so adding more MBZ fitments will be a no-brainer.
thanks
brad
