"Killer chiller" what do you think?
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"Killer chiller" what do you think?
here is the link. Tell me what you think. Do you think it will work? I guess it runs off your A/C to cool down your IATs. I'm always a fan of trying something new.
http://www.killerchiller.com/index.html
http://www.killerchiller.com/index.html
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I'd try alky injection before going that route. It would drop IATs as good if not better than the AC thing. Its less complex also. You also wouldn't be running the AC all the time, which helps.
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Its most likely not worth it, Plus I got a new H/E excharger heading my way soon, thanks Jake.
I cant sit tight for long without any mods to do.. So I'm going to put some cams in today and see what happens.
They are just 55k cams nothing special. I will get a dyno for you win or loose.
I cant sit tight for long without any mods to do.. So I'm going to put some cams in today and see what happens.
They are just 55k cams nothing special. I will get a dyno for you win or loose.
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I found a limited increase with the Kleemann Cams ; flat to 15HP ;
I am having to fix a bad MAF sensor though so the car is out of commission atm... check out my A/F from this weekend's Dyno Day in Chicago ...
DIVING off the chart (Insanely rich mixture)
They car started throwing codes on the way up to chicago (thought it was bad gas) .. seems my MAF is way mis calibrated.. so ordered a new one just in case...
Previous Dyno was 441RWHP and 454RWTQ ... this was nearly 60hp off in chicago
I am having to fix a bad MAF sensor though so the car is out of commission atm... check out my A/F from this weekend's Dyno Day in Chicago ...
DIVING off the chart (Insanely rich mixture)
They car started throwing codes on the way up to chicago (thought it was bad gas) .. seems my MAF is way mis calibrated.. so ordered a new one just in case...
Previous Dyno was 441RWHP and 454RWTQ ... this was nearly 60hp off in chicago
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Who told you this
I have NEVER seen a track official in my life stick their head in anyones car to see if the A/C is running my friend.
Most tracks require you to run with the windows UP, so how would they know or better yet care.
I guess IF the evaporator was dripping badly they would think you have a leak, but come on what track checks cars this closely
To the OP, there is no such thing as a free lunch in the world of physics. The power you would gain from the cooler would be far less than the power consumed by the AC running.
Sorry guys, but nothing mankind has EVER built is 100% efficient. It’s called trying to build a perpetual motion machine, which does not exist guys.
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I have NEVER seen a track official in my life stick their head in anyones car to see if the A/C is running my friend.
Most tracks require you to run with the windows UP, so how would they know or better yet care.
I guess IF the evaporator was dripping badly they would think you have a leak, but come on what track checks cars this closely
To the OP, there is no such thing as a free lunch in the world of physics. The power you would gain from the cooler would be far less than the power consumed by the AC running.
Sorry guys, but nothing mankind has EVER built is 100% efficient. It’s called trying to build a perpetual motion machine, which does not exist guys.
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Tech/start line officials don't stick their head in to check, but they are very attenuated to fluid leaks/spills.
One member here has this setup to cool their supplementary reservoir, with decent results. It's more of an in-between runs type of mod, rather than extended operation.
FWIW, the Kincaid guys are true hot-rodders and will work with you on custom apps.
One member here has this setup to cool their supplementary reservoir, with decent results. It's more of an in-between runs type of mod, rather than extended operation.
FWIW, the Kincaid guys are true hot-rodders and will work with you on custom apps.
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I found a limited increase with the Kleemann Cams ; flat to 15HP ;
I am having to fix a bad MAF sensor though so the car is out of commission atm... check out my A/F from this weekend's Dyno Day in Chicago ...
DIVING off the chart (Insanely rich mixture)
They car started throwing codes on the way up to chicago (thought it was bad gas) .. seems my MAF is way mis calibrated.. so ordered a new one just in case...
Previous Dyno was 441RWHP and 454RWTQ ... this was nearly 60hp off in chicago
I am having to fix a bad MAF sensor though so the car is out of commission atm... check out my A/F from this weekend's Dyno Day in Chicago ...
DIVING off the chart (Insanely rich mixture)
They car started throwing codes on the way up to chicago (thought it was bad gas) .. seems my MAF is way mis calibrated.. so ordered a new one just in case...
Previous Dyno was 441RWHP and 454RWTQ ... this was nearly 60hp off in chicago
As for the numbers.. Thats all in the dyno. If it was a strait up Dyno-jet than a 60whp difference at these numbers is about right. 60hp difference is about 10% from a dyno-jet to a Dyno Dynamics.
As for getting cams done today. A call was put into Renntech about the cams and then Renntech put a call into Erhard Melcher the "M" in AMG and he said "Dont even waste your time putting E55 cams in place of the N/A cams." So nothing was done today.
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Unless a larger AC compressor is installed, you will be limited by the amount of BTU cooling capacity is available from the AC system. That is relatively small and combined with the high volume of a V8 engine at full throttle, I would say This would be of dubious value. Plus you get the extra parasitic losses from the AC compressor.
The poster who suggested alky injection is on thre right track. But unless you live in freezing temps, water injection cools more than alcohol. If freezing out, mix just enough alcohol to keep from freezing. This is like a liquid intercooler plus it increases the mass flow thru the engine. It is a proven winner. A good intercooler is great cause it never runs dry but the water injection is a real good idea but only if you are running so much boost that detonation is a real threat. If the ECU is pulling timing, then this can increase power. Caution when injecting water or alcohol, make sure it is after the compressor not before it, lol.
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This would be of dubious value. Plus you get the extra parasitic losses from the AC compressor. The poster who suggested alky injection is on thre right track. But unless you live in freezing temps, water injection cools more than alcohol. If freezing out, mix just enough alcohol to keep from freezing. This is like a liquid intercooler plus it increases the mass flow thru the engine. It is a proven winner. A good intercooler is great cause it never runs dry but the water injection is a real good idea but only if you are running so much boost that detonation is a real threat. If the ECU is pulling timing, then this can increase power. Caution when injecting water or alcohol, make sure it is after the compressor not before it, lol.
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The best bet for the drag strip is to put a reservoir in the intercooler circuit with ice. You can run sub ambient temps. The superchiller is really a street use thing. The recharge time for the circuit takes to long. I have my own design on my car and it works fine for those warmer days to have some extra coolness on tap. It is not continuous though as there are not enough btu s.
Besides the a/c shuts off under full load on Mercedes.
Besides the a/c shuts off under full load on Mercedes.
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Ford lightning guys have run these for a while now with great results.. they are insulating the intercooler lines and some added a catch can to the drain tube for the **** track tech's.. 40 degree drop in post supercharger temps and one user averaged 3-4 tenths in the quarter on a high 12 second truck..
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Looks like a good idea to me.
Now remember guys the i/c cooling system has fluid in it that heats up over time or heat cycles...... so if you run AC to cool the i/c fluid down, then under WOT (wide open throttle) the AC compressor kicks off (normal for mustangs) you get your cake and eat it too.
Also when drag racing you can run the AC in the staging lanes to cool off the I/C fluid, then turn off the AC for the 1/4 mile run. But really if you are patient between 1/4 mile runs you can wait 1 hour or more between runs for everything to cool off.
Now remember guys the i/c cooling system has fluid in it that heats up over time or heat cycles...... so if you run AC to cool the i/c fluid down, then under WOT (wide open throttle) the AC compressor kicks off (normal for mustangs) you get your cake and eat it too.
Also when drag racing you can run the AC in the staging lanes to cool off the I/C fluid, then turn off the AC for the 1/4 mile run. But really if you are patient between 1/4 mile runs you can wait 1 hour or more between runs for everything to cool off.
Last edited by betrezra; Nov 9, 2010 at 06:23 PM.
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