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Dec 17, 2007 | 08:51 AM

Ausmbtech

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Kleemann LSD

I´m going to install a Kleemann LSD early next year, provided no one has had any issues.

Has anyone had any drivability problems/esp compatabilty problems or signifcant loss of LSD fuction after high milage?

Thanks!

Dec 18, 2007 | 08:46 AM

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Keep us posted (price? PM me if you would like) I am planning on having one of these put in sometime before spring. The C43 is in much need of an LSD....where is quaiffe when you need them.

Dec 20, 2007 | 01:29 AM

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sounds like airplane

i say we find someone who can just custom make us parts for this- that thing is so darn expensive i think we can possibly just convert to straight aftermarket if we talk to the right people (for the whole diff) for a relatively fair cost.

I want to change my gearing too- no reason for my top speed to be over 140 or so

Dec 20, 2007 | 06:25 AM

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..........what car are you installing the LSD into? I am conflicted about the Kleemann LSD. If your car is an NA AMG car like a C43 or W210 E55, you probably do not need an LSD. You just need better tires like the Toyo R888. If your car has huge HP and torque like a s/ced C43 or s/ced W210 E55, the Kleemann LSD will not not help much. Your tires will spin freely. I'd go with quaife, but even with quaife, your tires will spin if you have a s/ced car.

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Dec 20, 2007 | 07:50 AM

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Ted, do you have the kleemann unit? Curious to why you don't car for it. My car is Sc'd and it does suffer from "one wheel idous". I've searched the vast globe for LSD's and only came up with kleemann. I would go quaife if I could.

It's just that everyone seems so happy with LSD install around here that your comments have me confused.

Dec 20, 2007 | 09:48 AM

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Its ok, I have Kleemann LSD in my SLK 55, but it is still spinning

I dont know the difference whitout the LSD, I have 550 hp/770 Nm.
1000 miles whitout any problem at all.

Dec 20, 2007 | 01:07 PM

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sounds like airplane

yeah, two out of the 3 of us (at least) are SC so we DO actually need this.

However, if it doesn't work damn near perfect it's not worth the funds relative to other options

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Dec 20, 2007 | 04:05 PM

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.............I have the Kleemann LSD in Kleemann s/ced W210 E55. Like SLK 55 Kleemann said, I canoot really tell the difference. The tires still spin pretty easily. It may all be relative, but by the time you s/c your car the LSD hard to say what it is doing for you. I have no personal experience with quaife, and I do not know that it is any better. I just bring it up as an alternative. Yes, it can be modified for your C43 application. I think my main point though is that I do not think you need an LSD in a non s/ced C43.

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Dec 20, 2007 | 04:13 PM

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[QUOTE=Ted Baldwin;2560754I think my main point though is that I do not think you need an LSD in a non s/ced C43.

Ted[/QUOTE]

.....unless you're tracking the car on autocross or a road course.

Dec 20, 2007 | 04:58 PM

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sounds like airplane

your main point is great- but once again at least 2 out of the 3 of us are SC... so let's keep the information coming about how to get one in the car (or better yet who can build us a custom more "limited" slip unit)

what about gears?

Dec 20, 2007 | 07:00 PM

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...........the s/ced application question has already been answered by me and by SLK 55 Kleemann. It does not appear to make a difference. With or without LSD, once yor car is s/ced, your traction control lights will light up like a Mike Huckabee Christmas ad. The question of an alternative has already been answered. Quaife! The question of who can do it has already been answered. Mbenzman. If you still want a Kleemann LSD get one.

........Chappy's point of autocross is welll taken. I actually just acquired a C43I am attracted to the relative small size, V8 NA engine (so no s/c or s/c water pump issues etc.) It is not the fastest benz, but it will be fun to toss it around on a track. Everyone knows that I love high HP benzes, but it looks like with the possible exception of the CLK63 BS, high HP benzes just cannot be made to be tossable.....even if you add LSD, lower the car, change your suspension etc.

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Dec 20, 2007 | 07:23 PM

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sounds like airplane

so your saying it doesn't make any difference, it would be stupid to add it to a stock car, AND yet you both own one?

Dec 20, 2007 | 08:06 PM

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Ted! You got a C43? Glad you did as I'm sure you will venture into custom territory.

Post pics when you get a chance. This MB grows on you like no other, if you keep it nice that is. Remember the benzmac C55W202 that ran 11's?

Dec 20, 2007 | 08:26 PM

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so your saying it doesn't make any difference, it would be stupid to add it to a stock car, AND yet you both own one?

..........I'm not sure what you mean. It is as a result of having LSD that I know that it didn't make a difference. We are not keeping you from enjoying some secret sauce that we only want for ourselves. I believe in previous conversations that JamE55 thinks that on balance it did help him some, but I don't think he drags his car so no objective 60ft times to show. You can get an LSD and see if it works for you and report back. I never said it was stupid to get one in a stock car. I said I didn't think a stock car needed one. Chappy has correctly pointed out that it may be useful for track use.

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Dec 20, 2007 | 08:30 PM

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.............I remember that car very well. Benzmac and that car were pioneers. The car ran 11.5secs in the 1/4 mile. Up till today, it remains the fast W202 ever.

.......My C43 is on the trailer being shipped. Will post pics when it arrives. I tell myself I'm going to kee p it stock. Who knows?

Ted

Dec 20, 2007 | 08:35 PM

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Post pics when you get a chance. This MB grows on you like no other, if you keep it nice that is. Remember the benzmac C55W202 that ran 11's?

You mean this one??

I was at the track the day it laid down the 11.54 @ 120. Another bit of history here....Donnie used to work FOR mbenzman.

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Dec 20, 2007 | 08:39 PM

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.....My C43 is on the trailer being shipped. Will post pics when it arrives. I tell myself I'm going to kee p it stock. Who knows?

Ted

No way! No way! No way! No way! No way! No way! No way!

Hurry up and get back to ATL!!

Dec 20, 2007 | 09:50 PM

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.............I have the Kleemann LSD in Kleemann s/ced W210 E55. Like SLK 55 Kleemann said, I canoot really tell the difference. The tires still spin pretty easily.

Same here. Can't tell the difference. I can spin tires even in 3rd gear. lol Thinking of switching to Quaife but that may have to wait since i might be doing more engine work. lol It's VRP's fault about doing more engine work. lol

Dec 20, 2007 | 09:52 PM

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You mean this one??

I was at the track the day it laid down the 11.54 @ 120. Another bit of history here....Donnie used to work FOR mbenzman.

Who can ever forget that custom Donnie W202?! The s/c boost on it is also custom. Fastest 202 up to date! You still talk to Donnie D?

Dec 20, 2007 | 10:16 PM

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You still talk to Donnie D?

....been a while....

BTW, what do you think about MKB tuning products? I've got a wild hair for their delimited ECU and Soundtube....any thoughts?

Vmax delimiter 54002020250
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Dec 20, 2007 | 11:26 PM

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I had the Kleemann LSD on my C43 and I thought it worked great. Mush better traction in the wet and less ESP interference while driving hard. I mostly ran 275/40/17 Kumho MX and Kumho Victoracers, R-coumpound. At the track it made the car more predictable coming off corners and such. I thought it was one of the best things i had purchased for my C43.

I will install it on my C43/55 very soon and except to really enjoy having it there as well.

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Dec 20, 2007 | 11:28 PM

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I think MKB makes a solid tuning kits as far as engine goes. Not too much on the aesthetics side. Don't have any experience on their delimiter or soundtube so i can't really comment. Although i would imagine their delimeter should be pretty much the same as the other guys. What are you thinking of doing? Taking out the limiter? Another thing is their price. Totally ridiculous. Might not be worth it depending on what they charge.

Stick with someone proven...you know what i'm talking about.