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Are you running the 55 injectors with the C43 ECU? Has anyone tried the same combination? The 55 injectors are part of the ME 2.8 system whereas the C43 ECU is ME 2.0. I don't know whether they are incompatible or not, but it will be interesting to find out.
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Yes, the 55's injectors (27#) are in the car, with the 43 ECU. The 43's injectors are 19#s. It's not a huuuuge difference, and of course the injector connections are the same as they are all Bosch pieces. I understand the '02 E55 had a slight increase in compression, so figured - after some discussion with ProjectC55, and hearing anecdotally from Speedybenz (who told me he had swapped in the 55 injectors, but not sure which MY his 55 motor is from) - that it would be prudent to use the 55's injectors. We'll see if it's an issue or not. The tech knows I have the 55 injectors in the car. I will chat with him next week.
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At first glance, both plugs have 6 pins. Have you checked the colors of the wiring? Same in both? If so splice the new plug to the old loom using the same colored wires. Assuming German engineering logic, the wires should be the same and do the same thing. Just my 2cents worth.
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Sorry Zayed, I have no idea on that. I just swapped the original C43 throttle body back onto the 55 engine's intake manifold. Seemed a lot easier than trying to muck around with wiring. At any rate, the wiring loom that came with my 55 engine was fire damaged, so I couldn't do any further wire swapping.
1) the square TB is half price than the round one (if need to replace one in future)
2) Im planning to put 82mm TB instead of our 74mm, that 82mm got square connector,
* in generly if anyone thinking to upgrade the C43 TB, sure he well need that damn square connector, i
discuss this with our fine friend (Magnus), https://mbworld.org/forums/w210-amg/...omparison.html........
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Boo. Just spoke with the shop, and they have looked at the car but no firm answers yet. Still getting the same issues I was having - starts, no real idle quality, dies. The tech tried resetting the ECU with the Star, but no luck there either. He's apparently not had a lot of time to look at the car, so it'll be likely next week before I hear from them again. Unfortunately for that, it's a long weekend this weekend (Canadian Thanksgiving) so more waiting. Ah well. He had mentioned he thought it might be fuel related - maybe we should try the original injectors?!? That said, I wouldn't have thought it would make such a huge difference, but that's almost the only thing left to try...
Im already swapped E55 Engine to my C43 2 years ago, with keeping a C43 ECU,, C43 & E55 both uses
ME2.0, no worry about that,, C43 injectors well not capable with a 55s Engines, must keep the E55
injectors,, do you check the pressure of that injectors, they are already used & they may in a bad
condition..??, if its ok, check the Air Mass or CPS sensor......
ZAYED,,
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Still at a loss what could be up. The 55 injectors were freshly cleaned, so shouldn't be an issue. I've also tried multiple MAF and CPS too! Hoping the tech can find something, and soon!
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Im already swapped E55 Engine to my C43 2 years ago, with keeping a C43 ECU,, C43 & E55 both uses
ME2.0, no worry about that,, C43 injectors well not capable with a 55s Engines, must keep the E55
injectors,, do you check the pressure of that injectors, they are already used & they may in a bad
condition..??, if its ok, check the Air Mass or CPS sensor......
ZAYED,,
ME2.0, no worry about that,, C43 injectors well not capable with a 55s Engines, must keep the E55
injectors,, do you check the pressure of that injectors, they are already used & they may in a bad
condition..??, if its ok, check the Air Mass or CPS sensor......
ZAYED,,
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I understood that the larger 82mm throttle body needed some intake manifold modifications in order to install in place of the 74mm one. I believe SpeedyBenz talked about this in one of his old posts.
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I am using my original c43 injectors in my car with the 5.4l motor and if anything my car runs pig rich especially on a full throttle take off. I have experienced no problems and neither has Steve who has the higher compression 2k motor in his car. We are both using the original injectors that came with our cars.
The 98 and 99 E55's both use the same injectors as the 98 to 99 c43. I cannot speak for the 2k c43 as I think that car uses the 2.8 me ecu.
Just make sure you put a brand new maf in your car because when we first did the swap the car ran horribly lean,slow and I thought the same things. A bad maf will drive you krazee and have you spinning in circles. Swapped in a new maf and the car woke up and runs like the beast it is now. Guess I'm a little late I see you swapped the maf. Make sure you put in new plugs and that all the coil packs are up to par.
The 98 and 99 E55's both use the same injectors as the 98 to 99 c43. I cannot speak for the 2k c43 as I think that car uses the 2.8 me ecu.
Just make sure you put a brand new maf in your car because when we first did the swap the car ran horribly lean,slow and I thought the same things. A bad maf will drive you krazee and have you spinning in circles. Swapped in a new maf and the car woke up and runs like the beast it is now. Guess I'm a little late I see you swapped the maf. Make sure you put in new plugs and that all the coil packs are up to par.
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Im already swapped E55 Engine to my C43 2 years ago, with keeping a C43 ECU,, C43 & E55 both uses
ME2.0, no worry about that,, C43 injectors well not capable with a 55s Engines, must keep the E55
injectors,, do you check the pressure of that injectors, they are already used & they may in a bad
condition..??, if its ok, check the Air Mass or CPS sensor......
ZAYED,,
ME2.0, no worry about that,, C43 injectors well not capable with a 55s Engines, must keep the E55
injectors,, do you check the pressure of that injectors, they are already used & they may in a bad
condition..??, if its ok, check the Air Mass or CPS sensor......
ZAYED,,
My C43 has many victories as well vs the following cars with these injectors,modded 300c srt8,modded v8 Audi RS4, stg2 modded v6 tt Audi s4, stock e39m5,Jon's clk55w208,I could go on and this is with the original stock injectors that are in my car to this day.
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yes you can get it to work but for the best results the gearbox change also is the better option
here is a post of a guy in england that did what you did you may fine great tips i know you will
http://forums.mercedesclub.org.uk/sh...&highlight=c55
here is a post of a guy in england that did what you did you may fine great tips i know you will
http://forums.mercedesclub.org.uk/sh...&highlight=c55
I don't want to sound like a braggart however I am using my stock tranny and flywheel and will murder w210 E55's all day long. My car just runs very good there was nothing at all extra complicated about my swap. My mechanic also just swapped a AMG C32 motor into a members C320,it was a little more work to do but nothing over complicated.
The c43 swap has got to be the easiest swap ever whether you are installing a 5.0 or a 5.5 liter motor in it. No tranny swap no ecu swap just swap in the motor,change the small water pipe in back of the head and be done especially if you got the motor from a w210E55 or a w208clk55.
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I disagree read my post above. I never to this day chgd my injectors.
My C43 has many victories as well vs the following cars with these injectors,modded 300c srt8,modded v8 Audi RS4, stg2 modded v6 tt Audi s4, stock e39m5,Jon's clk55w208,I could go on and this is with the original stock injectors that are in my car to this day.
My C43 has many victories as well vs the following cars with these injectors,modded 300c srt8,modded v8 Audi RS4, stg2 modded v6 tt Audi s4, stock e39m5,Jon's clk55w208,I could go on and this is with the original stock injectors that are in my car to this day.
the low speed, but after put E55 injectors it becomes soo smooth without shakes, and also depend of acceptable
signal from Maf to the ECU as well, some cases ECU must to be adapt., and some not need it......
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Correct, the 98-99-00 C43-E55 uses the same injectors#: "113 078 01 49", 01 E55 uses :"113 078 03 49", end of 01
& start of 02 E55 uses :"113 078 00 23" these injctors comes with a final 02 E55 with ME2.8......
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You could be right, but It depends of the ECU, in my case, when i swapped mine, got a little shaking & rough ideal in
the low speed, but after put E55 injectors it becomes soo smooth without shakes, and also depend of acceptable
signal from Maf to the ECU as well, some cases ECU must to be adapt., and some not need it......
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the low speed, but after put E55 injectors it becomes soo smooth without shakes, and also depend of acceptable
signal from Maf to the ECU as well, some cases ECU must to be adapt., and some not need it......
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The only problem I had was a bad maf. I still have my stock ecu and my stock injectors car has been running like a dream for 4.5 to 5 years now.
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And both the c43 and e55's in those years that I mentioned 98 to 99 use the same ecu. I believe a 2k c43 may be different.
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Well I have three MAFs, the stock 43, the stock 55 and an aftermarket replacement the previous owner gave me with the car. Only the original 43 MAF ran without a CEL. ProjectC55, should I put in a brand new MAF?
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start of 02 E55 changed the injectos to "03 49 & 00 23", and also they changed the TB from "113 141 00
25 to 01 25" which got a sqaure connector..........
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Saaboteur, Do you daignos the car..?, if so, what kind of CEL or codes shows...??, as you know its soo importanat
to do that, before spending any $$$.....
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to do that, before spending any $$$.....
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On my OBD2 scanner, there had been some intermittent misfire codes, but only on the left bank - cylinders 5 to 7, and sometimes 8. That was initially, when it didnt even idle at all. Then I took the engine out again, changed the flex disc back to the 43s and did everything again. No codes on my OBD2 then, but very very rough idle. That was last week, and it's been in the shop since then. They haven't been able to sort it out yet, but also have not spent much time on it either.
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All of the M113 V8's use the same maf. I would just go ahead and put in a brand-new one. I'm telling you I had these same issues and you'll be surprised the issues a faulty maf can cause.
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this has got to be the best tread on the forum. Just spent hours reading the whole thing. I hope you get it sorted out soon. I had the same misfire problem you are having when I put the 500 engine in my Crossfire. I wish my swap was as easy as a C43-55 swap! In my case the engine was a 2002 CL500 engine that had been totaled with only about 1000 miles on it. There was a fire in the rear and the car was tied up for five years in litigation. then I bought the engine and it sat on an engine stand for two more years while I figured out how to hack Mercedes computers. Long story short, the original owner forgot to use Stabil before totaling it. My car just wouldn't start and when it finally did it ran on just a few cylinders and it took a while to clean itself out. 20 minutes latter it was as smooth as silk.
In your case it sound more like a big vacum leak. Any chance you got a leak in the intake manifold that you cleaned up? Also if the engine fire was buring with the key on it is possible that there is electrical damage to the injectors. check anyting electrical that is still on the engine when the fire took place. I was also wondering if you will run a catch can as these engine love to fill the intakes with oil. do you have plans for the old engine? I am interested in it.
In your case it sound more like a big vacum leak. Any chance you got a leak in the intake manifold that you cleaned up? Also if the engine fire was buring with the key on it is possible that there is electrical damage to the injectors. check anyting electrical that is still on the engine when the fire took place. I was also wondering if you will run a catch can as these engine love to fill the intakes with oil. do you have plans for the old engine? I am interested in it.
