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I just want to say, "Thanks Terry" for actually replying to post on our boards. I know you guys are super busy so we appreciate feedback and information especially when it comes to your products. A lot of tuners just post their products and provide us with little explanation on how their product works and differs from others.
+1. BMS explain how their product works and what sets them apart from other tuning options. They sell at reasonable prices and don’t have the gimmicky “big discount” events.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion but on many points I'd have to disagree. We've been tuning cars with the JB4 since 2008, done tens of thousands to date, and it's proven to be a very safe and effective tuning approach. It's also an approach that has some limitations which is why we offer free back end flash maps for many applications where it makes sense to do so, because as I've said some things can only be adjusted via flash mapping. The assertion that flash mapping is always safer is simply false. I've dealt with many customers on say the S63TU platform who went with the "safer" flash map approach only to later find out that the flash tuners all copied from the same base file which had inadvertently compromised their knock response tables, and ultimately many damaged pistons as a result.
As to getting in to the topic in more detail I'd be happy to do that at some point but this is an intake thread. No reason to take it further off topic.
Note that I said a PROPER flash tune. I never once, and never would, say that all full flash tunes are safer. I won't publicly name specific tuners or vendors of which I can personally speak to their skill, as none of them are on this forum. I can say, that I know several BMW (and other platforms) tuners that are genuinely good tuners who know their stuff, and charge a premium price for their tuning because they are the best in the business (One of them sells BMS products too). I initially had the JB4 on my N55 because there were no flashes available for that ECU at the time. While I am new to the Mercedes world, I am definitely not new to tuning, building, or racing, turbo cars. I've built, tuned and raced for over 20 years with piggy, flash, and true standalone (going back to UTEK, Cobb when they first introduced the AP1, and even AMS's first stand-alone). I know full well the BMW tuners who all used Cobb's base map for "their" flashes. Cobb had several issues with their OTS stuff, and they never even bothered to go into the valvetronic tables (in hindsight, it's good they didn't with who was handling the BMW side at the time).
Terry, please understand, I'm not bashing you. Re-read what I posted. I have positive things to say about BMS. As I said, I liked what I saw on N54t**h regarding the C43 logs that various people posted, and I'm almost 100% certain to buy the BMS intake for the C43. I just like full disclosure and honest discussion, and marketing-speak, blanket statements, and misinformation don't benefit anyone.
My apologies to all involved for helping move this thread off on a tangent. I will not be a party to any further deviations or discussion in this thread that doesn't revolve around the intake.
Terry, please understand, I'm not bashing you. Re-read what I posted. I have positive things to say about BMS. As I said, I liked what I saw on N54t**h regarding the C43 logs that various people posted, and I'm almost 100% certain to buy the BMS intake for the C43. I just like full disclosure and honest discussion, and marketing-speak, blanket statements, and misinformation don't benefit anyone.
My apologies to all involved for helping move this thread off on a tangent. I will not be a party to any further deviations or discussion in this thread that doesn't revolve around the intake.
I didn't think you were bashing us, just posting your perspective. As I said while I disagree with some of your points others are reasonable. And I'd also agree more nuanced explanations are generally better than blanket statements. There are three of us here using this account so sometimes the discussion will get a bit disjointed.
PS. Just posted a C43 JB4 firmware update to the n54tech thread.
These are our prototype pieces. The final piece will have a BMS logo and the heat shields will be anodized black. Please forgive me, I'm not the photographer for our website as you can see lol. I just did my best for now so you guys can see what you're actually getting.
Im interested as well ! Would probably wait till spring to get it. Are the pipes gonna be available in silver as well ? I would prefer a silver or polished finish
looks like those will just get heat soaked. Maybe pick up 15hp on a single run but lose power after a 15 minute drive.
Interesting, do you have any data to back up these claims? From the testing that I have been doing IATs during daily commutes are lower and stay lower longer VS stock... Maybe it has to do with the spacing we left between everything to allow airflow
Interesting, do you have any data to back up these claims? From the testing that I have been doing IATs during daily commutes are lower and stay lower longer VS stock... Maybe it has to do with the spacing we left between everything to allow airflow
I mean.. do you have data proving otherwise? You're the company selling the product.
And to be fair. I am happy to finally see a product on the market for intakes (or soon to be on the market). Parts like these are fun weekend jobs that are good entry level mods for people.
I mean.. do you have data proving otherwise? You're the company selling the product.
And to be fair. I am happy to finally see a product on the market for intakes (or soon to be on the market). Parts like these are fun weekend jobs that are good entry level mods for people.
Of course, if I didn't I wouldn't be able to tell that they work better lol. We are always testing and getting data, this car will be coming out to Shift Sector 1/2 mile event this weekend.
I'll get some data logs for you guys.
I mean.. do you have data proving otherwise? You're the company selling the product.
And to be fair. I am happy to finally see a product on the market for intakes (or soon to be on the market). Parts like these are fun weekend jobs that are good entry level mods for people.
As mentioned a few posts up, dig back in the thread...Post #19
As mentioned a few posts up, dig back in the thread...Post #19
That's not data.. I looked back after the first shill comment was made. Sometimes intakes don't need to provide any performance gain, just some more noise.
But three people immediately jump on me for wanting proof of claims (not even, just making a comment about perceived design)?
2017 AMG C43, AWE Touring, BMC Air Filters- 2015 BMW X3 3.5i (JB1 Equipped)
Originally Posted by Payam@BMS
These are our prototype pieces. The final piece will have a BMS logo and the heat shields will be anodized black. Please forgive me, I'm not the photographer for our website as you can see lol. I just did my best for now so you guys can see what you're actually getting.
That looks F**king Awesome and I am a self proclaimed after market product snob- so it must be good
Compared to stock the intake pipes they are significantly bigger and would flow much more air to a hungry turbo.
2017 AMG C43, AWE Touring, BMC Air Filters- 2015 BMW X3 3.5i (JB1 Equipped)
Originally Posted by Payam@BMS
Of course, if I didn't I wouldn't be able to tell that they work better lol. We are always testing and getting data, this car will be coming out to Shift Sector 1/2 mile event this weekend.
I'll get some data logs for you guys.
hell yea I am putting my money on this new intake being a great perfomarnce improvement, not just in overall HP, but throttle response and turbo spool!
Its great that an aftermarket company, not to mention a great one like Burger, came out with this intake for the C43-
*Disclaimer: I do not work for Burger tuning nor do I recieve any payment for endorsing their products.
That's not data.. I looked back after the first shill comment was made. Sometimes intakes don't need to provide any performance gain, just some more noise.
But three people immediately jump on me for wanting proof of claims (not even, just making a comment about perceived design)?
Don't worry about it, there are many people wondering the same thing as you I'm sure. That's why we do testing to evaluate data and provide it when we can.
That's not data.. I looked back after the first shill comment was made. Sometimes intakes don't need to provide any performance gain, just some more noise.
But three people immediately jump on me for wanting proof of claims (not even, just making a comment about perceived design)?
No one is "jumping on you" for wanting proof. All HTX and I did was call out that your concerns of heat soak have already been brought up and addressed, making your post mostly redundant. Furthermore, BMS commented that they would be performing "extensive testing" this weekend. Unrustle your jimmies.
For all the newbies that aren’t reading all the post, BMS stated they are going to Shift Sector this weekend to collect more data. Let’s wait and see their results before providing negative responses. Once they post data then by all means speak up. As of right now be excited about a new product for us sheesh.
Also, I don’t know what you guys (BMS) did to the firmware but that latest JB4 update has my truck feeling like a highway monster. Went out testing this morning in 45 degree weather and I am like This with intakes and some adjustments should be *****.
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This with intakes and some adjustments should be *****.
