What does Andy @ MPH really know or do?
02-09-2009, 11:47 PM
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Im a genius i have an avatar my negg!! Thought I would say that here since everyone and their grandma is here to c it. Yay! gotta go now, sleepy.
PS: geea my post count is at 187, **** now i cant post anymore.
PS: geea my post count is at 187, **** now i cant post anymore.
02-09-2009, 11:50 PM
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mthis I'm sure your car is quick. I'm hardly an authority on ecu tuning. But as a computer programmer, to change an electronic variable that relates to 'shift firmness' is about as simple as punching in a series different numbers. It would probably take a while the first time you're figuring out all the proper values to put into the car, but once you have a 'tune' it should be something that could be done in less than a few minutes once you have all the necessary real world equipment hooked up.
As for breaking a tune in, in all my time as a wrx owner with all the cobb accessport flashes, and retunes I've never heard of someone having to 'break in' their tune to get the most out of it. And those old 02 gda's have adaptives too. What you may be experiencing is some self-perceived performance gains over time, but I'd be willing to change my view on the whole break in procedure if someone has actual concrete evidence rather than anecdotal word of mouth "someone said this other guy.." "or I'm feeling its stronger". After any purchase people always tend to rationalize and become somewhat biased to their acquisition, I mean just look at gsmarena, if people can get rabid over a 600 dollar phone one could only imagine the amount of justification one would have to have with a $4000+ purchase.
I'm sure the MHP tune produces results as was seen in the videos posted by Andy on youtube, and from Dadsc63 account, but the question is whether or not its worth the price premium (which comes from the TCU tuning and break-in improvements).
As for breaking a tune in, in all my time as a wrx owner with all the cobb accessport flashes, and retunes I've never heard of someone having to 'break in' their tune to get the most out of it. And those old 02 gda's have adaptives too. What you may be experiencing is some self-perceived performance gains over time, but I'd be willing to change my view on the whole break in procedure if someone has actual concrete evidence rather than anecdotal word of mouth "someone said this other guy.." "or I'm feeling its stronger". After any purchase people always tend to rationalize and become somewhat biased to their acquisition, I mean just look at gsmarena, if people can get rabid over a 600 dollar phone one could only imagine the amount of justification one would have to have with a $4000+ purchase.
I'm sure the MHP tune produces results as was seen in the videos posted by Andy on youtube, and from Dadsc63 account, but the question is whether or not its worth the price premium (which comes from the TCU tuning and break-in improvements).
ok how can you explain this to me. how did i made 389whp the 1st dynno pull in 120 miles i had on and 5 min after i made 412 and then 417, and then today 421
02-09-2009, 11:51 PM
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02-09-2009, 11:55 PM
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I'm assuming by 5 minutes after you mean a few miles after you returned, because if you went from 389whp to 412whp in the timespan of 5 minutes, I'd have to say either you did some amazing breaking in or the dyno you were using has something wrong with it.
As for the 417 to 421, could be a variety of things such as correction values, changes in temperature, the air/humidity etc. etc. I'm not exactly an expert on such things, but like I said in the past with my tuned wrx with a vishnu stage1, the change in power was there from the start, as advertised and didn't require me to drive it hard to I'm assuming train the adaptives.
Would it be possible for you to post up a scan of your dyno charts?
I'm assuming by 5 minutes after you mean a few miles after you returned, because if you went from 389whp to 412whp in the timespan of 5 minutes, I'd have to say either you did some amazing breaking in or the dyno you were using has something wrong with it.
As for the 417 to 421, could be a variety of things such as correction values, changes in temperature, the air/humidity etc. etc. I'm not exactly an expert on such things, but like I said in the past with my tuned wrx with a vishnu stage1, the change in power was there from the start, as advertised and didn't require me to drive it hard to I'm assuming train the adaptives.
Would it be possible for you to post up a scan of your dyno charts?
02-10-2009, 12:00 AM
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I'm assuming by 5 minutes after you mean a few miles after you returned, because if you went from 389whp to 412whp in the timespan of 5 minutes, I'd have to say either you did some amazing breaking in or the dyno you were using has something wrong with it.
As for the 417 to 421, could be a variety of things such as correction values, changes in temperature, the air/humidity etc. etc. I'm not exactly an expert on such things, but like I said in the past with my tuned wrx with a vishnu stage1, the change in power was there from the start, as advertised and didn't require me to drive it hard to I'm assuming train the adaptives.
Would it be possible for you to post up a scan of your dyno charts?
I'm assuming by 5 minutes after you mean a few miles after you returned, because if you went from 389whp to 412whp in the timespan of 5 minutes, I'd have to say either you did some amazing breaking in or the dyno you were using has something wrong with it.
As for the 417 to 421, could be a variety of things such as correction values, changes in temperature, the air/humidity etc. etc. I'm not exactly an expert on such things, but like I said in the past with my tuned wrx with a vishnu stage1, the change in power was there from the start, as advertised and didn't require me to drive it hard to I'm assuming train the adaptives.
Would it be possible for you to post up a scan of your dyno charts?
2nd made 412 sae corrected and 417 sae correced.
to day after 300something miles it made 421 sae corrected and bounch of other ones. i do have charts but no scaner.
02-10-2009, 12:05 AM
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i also think that someone else onn here dyno'd there car with mhp tune wher they got 400rwh and next run they made 430
02-10-2009, 12:06 AM
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here is the link to that.
https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...yno-pulls.html
https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...yno-pulls.html
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02-10-2009, 12:14 AM
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mthis the hot measurement to your dyno pull of 412 initially makes sense, however were your latter 417 and 421 dyno pulls on the same dynos?
Also, was the car fully warmed up on both occaisions, as 5hp can be lost as a result of a cold gearbox or thick oil. I have been mulling on and off over getting an MHP tune for a while seeing some of the results you have been getting, but with so little 3rd party concrete evidence its hard for me to justify spending 4500 on a tune that costs thousands less from other companies.
Also, was the car fully warmed up on both occaisions, as 5hp can be lost as a result of a cold gearbox or thick oil. I have been mulling on and off over getting an MHP tune for a while seeing some of the results you have been getting, but with so little 3rd party concrete evidence its hard for me to justify spending 4500 on a tune that costs thousands less from other companies.
02-10-2009, 12:17 AM
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I find Tim's claim's plausible, on my thread "why 451 hp?" I asked specifically what is the difference between the 63's engines. I wrote it basically to MHP, and I was disappointed he didn't add anything insightful. But Tim here actually gave me the stuff I was expecting, in the beginning of this thread where he talks about throttle positions. Makes sense, thanks Tim.
02-10-2009, 12:18 AM
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mthis the hot measurement to your dyno pull of 412 initially makes sense, however were your latter 417 and 421 dyno pulls on the same dynos?
Also, was the car fully warmed up on both occaisions, as 5hp can be lost as a result of a cold gearbox or thick oil. I have been mulling on and off over getting an MHP tune for a while seeing some of the results you have been getting, but with so little 3rd party concrete evidence its hard for me to justify spending 4500 on a tune that costs thousands less from other companies.
Also, was the car fully warmed up on both occaisions, as 5hp can be lost as a result of a cold gearbox or thick oil. I have been mulling on and off over getting an MHP tune for a while seeing some of the results you have been getting, but with so little 3rd party concrete evidence its hard for me to justify spending 4500 on a tune that costs thousands less from other companies.
LI pulls?
ONLY corrected #'s
NJ pulls?
02-10-2009, 12:20 AM
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mthis the hot measurement to your dyno pull of 412 initially makes sense, however were your latter 417 and 421 dyno pulls on the same dynos?
Also, was the car fully warmed up on both occaisions, as 5hp can be lost as a result of a cold gearbox or thick oil. I have been mulling on and off over getting an MHP tune for a while seeing some of the results you have been getting, but with so little 3rd party concrete evidence its hard for me to justify spending 4500 on a tune that costs thousands less from other companies.
Also, was the car fully warmed up on both occaisions, as 5hp can be lost as a result of a cold gearbox or thick oil. I have been mulling on and off over getting an MHP tune for a while seeing some of the results you have been getting, but with so little 3rd party concrete evidence its hard for me to justify spending 4500 on a tune that costs thousands less from other companies.
you rite alot of other tunes have ecu flash and make alot of power. me i know 1st hand who does and who does not made that power that y i spent that money on it b/c they the only one's that made over 410 rwhp on just ecu/ and then the tcu is just the best that like going to chillis and having a cho chip paridise.
the car was hot all the runs let only 5 min cool down time.
02-10-2009, 12:25 AM
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mthis the hot measurement to your dyno pull of 412 initially makes sense, however were your latter 417 and 421 dyno pulls on the same dynos?
Also, was the car fully warmed up on both occaisions, as 5hp can be lost as a result of a cold gearbox or thick oil. I have been mulling on and off over getting an MHP tune for a while seeing some of the results you have been getting, but with so little 3rd party concrete evidence its hard for me to justify spending 4500 on a tune that costs thousands less from other companies.
Also, was the car fully warmed up on both occaisions, as 5hp can be lost as a result of a cold gearbox or thick oil. I have been mulling on and off over getting an MHP tune for a while seeing some of the results you have been getting, but with so little 3rd party concrete evidence its hard for me to justify spending 4500 on a tune that costs thousands less from other companies.
02-10-2009, 12:28 AM
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02-10-2009, 12:29 AM
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i dont get why would it drop, its still the tune he say it is, i dont know about everyone here but i love the tune. even if something were to happen to mhp i would NEVER change my tune, even if some one made more power i wont change it i love the tcu shifts, thats y i pay.
