**Dyno**MBH Long Tube headers. shipping 2/22/10
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A big thank you to our friends at Eurocharged. They were able to put our horsepower claims to the test on a set of our headers. Just an independent test showing our power gains are right in line with what we claim.
Again thank you Eurocharged, for the un-biased test. Class act guys over at EC.
Again thank you Eurocharged, for the un-biased test. Class act guys over at EC.
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This is on a set of our 55 headers. Just want to show that what we claim in honest
post #66
This is on a set of our 55 headers. Just want to show that what we claim in honest
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Brad thats total crap! C63 Guy persents his car as the EVOsport R&D car! Go to Mymbonline.com he clearly states that his car is the EVOsport R&D car! His car is all over your magizine ads. Not to mention he did have an interest in the C63 headers!
Talking about messeges sent! You personaly send me a message taking exception to my claim that these are one of the most researched headers on the Mercedes aftermarket. And not to try and steel sales. You know what Brad these are the BEST headers ever made for the C63!!!! Thats how I feel about them. I am more than able to say things like this without the wrath of Brad...
For you to even bee in this thread is so out of line its unreal! For you to say He is or is not part of the EVOsport team is crazy! I will be contacting Internet Brands to expose all of this. This is a total sham!
Talking about messeges sent! You personaly send me a message taking exception to my claim that these are one of the most researched headers on the Mercedes aftermarket. And not to try and steel sales. You know what Brad these are the BEST headers ever made for the C63!!!! Thats how I feel about them. I am more than able to say things like this without the wrath of Brad...
For you to even bee in this thread is so out of line its unreal! For you to say He is or is not part of the EVOsport team is crazy! I will be contacting Internet Brands to expose all of this. This is a total sham!
I would never buy a product from you now. The overall maturity level in this thread suffers, but there is obvious cut-throat business going on, and the lack of maturity is from the vendors. Going full-bore and trying to blow people out of the water is quite the turn off, and ruins an otherwise interesting experience (reading posts, learning from other members, etc).
I am no expert at anything you guys are talking about (except the weather, as I hold degrees in meteorology--but won't share my input on whether or not it and/or elevation impacts combustion, etc.), but what I can tell is that there are a lot of unprofessional salesmen in here, and at this point, I just plain wouldn't buy anything from any of you...unbelieveable!
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^ Don't let it sway you if the product is solid and pricing fits your budget. We have aleady moved away from the previous issues/posts. We'll let MBH's product redeem themselves.
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I am no expert at anything you guys are talking about (except the weather, as I hold degrees in meteorology--but won't share my input on whether or not it and/or elevation impacts combustion, etc.), but what I can tell is that there are a lot of unprofessional salesmen in here, and at this point, I just plain wouldn't buy anything from any of you...unbelieveable!
You really should read trough all the posts maybe you would understand whats going on.
Also your oppinion is based on something u dont understand so why post.
Bottom line for all this argument is because someone (MBH) made better quality, better performing and at a way better price and on top of that a money back guarantee ( what can you ask for more ) and you think this thread is not going to get attacked by all other competition, cmon ppl wake up.
Miami1lt please enlighten me as to how should this vendor have acted when his getting hit from all sides?
You really should read trough all the posts maybe you would understand whats going on.
Also your oppinion is based on something u dont understand so why post.
Bottom line for all this argument is because someone (MBH) made better quality, better performing and at a way better price and on top of that a money back guarantee ( what can you ask for more ) and you think this thread is not going to get attacked by all other competition, cmon ppl wake up.
Miami1lt please enlighten me as to how should this vendor have acted when his getting hit from all sides?
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Mike, can you please post a summary of the expected gains for these C63 headers? The thread got too long and data mixed with the 55 header stuff....
On average, what are the expected gains with headers and no tune? 20 rwhp?
On average, what are the expected gains with headers and tune? 50 rwhp?
Thanks....
On average, what are the expected gains with headers and no tune? 20 rwhp?
On average, what are the expected gains with headers and tune? 50 rwhp?
Thanks....
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Being that I am not an expert at this stuff, I need to buy from somebody that earns trust and exumes values...not somebody that lashes out publicly...that conversation should have happened offline!
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Mike, can you please post a summary of the expected gains for these C63 headers? The thread got too long and data mixed with the 55 header stuff....
On average, what are the expected gains with headers and no tune? 20 rwhp?
On average, what are the expected gains with headers and tune? 50 rwhp?
Thanks....
On average, what are the expected gains with headers and no tune? 20 rwhp?
On average, what are the expected gains with headers and tune? 50 rwhp?
Thanks....
Hay Mo, I think this should answer your questions for you.
http://www.dynocompnow.com/2010/02/d...w-c63-amg.html
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I don't disagree that there MBH was a punching bag for a while, but in business, you earn customers through facts and only facts. You can smather some "artistic embellishment", that is always charished by a consumer...however, striking back tells me that if I had a product that I thought was defective, I may be on the receiving end of an assault much like some of the previous posts.
Being that I am not an expert at this stuff, I need to buy from somebody that earns trust and exumes values...not somebody that lashes out publicly...that conversation should have happened offline!
Being that I am not an expert at this stuff, I need to buy from somebody that earns trust and exumes values...not somebody that lashes out publicly...that conversation should have happened offline!
I value your input, and if helping to fix an issue with MBH starts with me. Than that is something I will do. I'm a man of my word and I stand behind it.
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Hay Mo, I think this should answer your questions for you.
http://www.dynocompnow.com/2010/02/d...w-c63-amg.html
http://www.dynocompnow.com/2010/02/d...w-c63-amg.html
End-All, Be-All of C63 AMG headers
"After months of Computer-aided design (CAD) and computer flow dynamic modeling, the Dyno-Comp/MBH C63 AMG Long-Tube header is now available to the public! This C63 AMG header utilizes the same materials and renowned build quality of our famous Dyno-Comp/MBH AMG-55 header. We tested this header on a C63 AMG with stock software and secondary cat delete, and realized gains of 60+ HP. Then Dyno-Comp added RENNtech’s Stage-3 C63 software in conjunction with the Dyno-Comp long tube headers and saw an additional 40-50 HP.
Pretty simple math: Get a 120-130 HP gain on your C63 AMG with Secondary cat delete, RENNtech Stage-3 Software, and Dyno-Comp/MBH long tube headers!!!
This new Dyno-Comp/MBH C63 AMG header has CRUSHED all competitor headers….and literally thousands of dollars less!!!"
"CRUSHED" PLEASE advertise the products for what they are and not embellish the results?? This is the type of advertisement that is frustrating to say the least. They may make good power but they did not crush the competition. The posts that are listed inside this thread itself proves differently. I don't need to add a thing. They are also NOT thousands of dollars less. In fact they are less than a thousand dollars less.I am not trying to start an argument but please don't advertise using statements like this. Based on your opinion and CAD research you may believe they are the best and made some power. However, PLEASE leave the boasting for the track and real world results.
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Hay Mo, I think this should answer your questions for you.
http://www.dynocompnow.com/2010/02/d...w-c63-amg.html
http://www.dynocompnow.com/2010/02/d...w-c63-amg.html
Sorry, I kept thinking E63 numbers for some reason 
Do you have any expected gains on an E/CLS 63 yet?
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From the web advertisement QUOTE:
End-All, Be-All of C63 AMG headers
"After months of Computer-aided design (CAD) and computer flow dynamic modeling, the Dyno-Comp/MBH C63 AMG Long-Tube header is now available to the public! This C63 AMG header utilizes the same materials and renowned build quality of our famous Dyno-Comp/MBH AMG-55 header. We tested this header on a C63 AMG with stock software and secondary cat delete, and realized gains of 60+ HP. Then Dyno-Comp added RENNtech’s Stage-3 C63 software in conjunction with the Dyno-Comp long tube headers and saw an additional 40-50 HP.
Pretty simple math: Get a 120-130 HP gain on your C63 AMG with Secondary cat delete, RENNtech Stage-3 Software, and Dyno-Comp/MBH long tube headers!!!
This new Dyno-Comp/MBH C63 AMG header has CRUSHED all competitor headers….and literally thousands of dollars less!!!"
"CRUSHED" PLEASE advertise the products for what they are and not embellish the results?? This is the type of advertisement that is frustrating to say the least. They may make good power but they did not crush the competition. The posts that are listed inside this thread itself proves differently. I don't need to add a thing. I am not trying to start an argument but please don't advertise using statements like this. Based on your opinion and CAD research you may believe they are the best and made some power. However, PLEASE leave the boasting for the track and real world results.
End-All, Be-All of C63 AMG headers
"After months of Computer-aided design (CAD) and computer flow dynamic modeling, the Dyno-Comp/MBH C63 AMG Long-Tube header is now available to the public! This C63 AMG header utilizes the same materials and renowned build quality of our famous Dyno-Comp/MBH AMG-55 header. We tested this header on a C63 AMG with stock software and secondary cat delete, and realized gains of 60+ HP. Then Dyno-Comp added RENNtech’s Stage-3 C63 software in conjunction with the Dyno-Comp long tube headers and saw an additional 40-50 HP.
Pretty simple math: Get a 120-130 HP gain on your C63 AMG with Secondary cat delete, RENNtech Stage-3 Software, and Dyno-Comp/MBH long tube headers!!!
This new Dyno-Comp/MBH C63 AMG header has CRUSHED all competitor headers….and literally thousands of dollars less!!!"
"CRUSHED" PLEASE advertise the products for what they are and not embellish the results?? This is the type of advertisement that is frustrating to say the least. They may make good power but they did not crush the competition. The posts that are listed inside this thread itself proves differently. I don't need to add a thing. I am not trying to start an argument but please don't advertise using statements like this. Based on your opinion and CAD research you may believe they are the best and made some power. However, PLEASE leave the boasting for the track and real world results.
I did not write this. Dyno-Comp is the exclusive distributor or MBH headers.. If you have a problem with the way Dyno-Comp advertises the product please take it up with Dyno-Comp. Then let them know that you represent a competitor.
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Okay, thanks, I only have the competitors products that make the statement false. I would think if they are advertising your products you would have some say so as to what the advertisement says. Nevertheless, the issue concerning the advertisement would be a problem for the competitor to take care of, not me. I am just trying to make sure the consumer knows the truth.
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Today - MHP long tubes, no cats, MKB tune, 100 octane, Carbonio Air box, K&N Filters, etc... The headers and air box is all that changed. Same MKB tune.
a gain of almost 50rwhp with the MHP long tubes and Carbonio air box. I would have NOT believed it if I didn't see it with my own eyes. Absolutely incredible!! I am IMPRESSED!!!!!!!!!
a gain of almost 50rwhp with the MHP long tubes and Carbonio air box. I would have NOT believed it if I didn't see it with my own eyes. Absolutely incredible!! I am IMPRESSED!!!!!!!!!
It is so blatantly obvious you are MHP's number 1 fan.. There are many members who are not fans of MHP... That could be part have a reason why MHP is banned from from this site.
Your car is used in MHP advertisements though out the web. When ever someone gets an MHP product you jump up in down in joy. However when something new comes out for another company (mine) you are quick to dismiss it. No one questioned your results.. However you are quick to question mine.
You have not had anything good to say without flaming me first. I am asking you nicely to please leave this thread.
Maybe the mods will see what going on here...
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Did you write this? We are over 50whp and we didnt need an airbox to do it.
It is so blatantly obvious you are MHP's number 1 fan.. There are many members who are not fans of MHP... That could be part have a reason why MHP is banned from from this site.
Your car is used in MHP advertisements though out the web. When ever someone gets an MHP product you jump up in down in joy. However when something new comes out for another company (mine) you are quick to dismiss it. No one questioned your results.. However you are quick to question mine.
You have not had anything good to say without flaming me first. I am asking you nicely to please leave this thread.
Maybe the mods will see what going on here...
It is so blatantly obvious you are MHP's number 1 fan.. There are many members who are not fans of MHP... That could be part have a reason why MHP is banned from from this site.
Your car is used in MHP advertisements though out the web. When ever someone gets an MHP product you jump up in down in joy. However when something new comes out for another company (mine) you are quick to dismiss it. No one questioned your results.. However you are quick to question mine.
You have not had anything good to say without flaming me first. I am asking you nicely to please leave this thread.
Maybe the mods will see what going on here...
I mean you nor MBH any harm. Just state the facts please and I'll leave you alone.
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Did you write this? We are over 50whp and we didnt need an airbox to do it.
It is so blatantly obvious you are MHP's number 1 fan.. There are many members who are not fans of MHP... That could be part have a reason why MHP is banned from from this site.
Your car is used in MHP advertisements though out the web. When ever someone gets an MHP product you jump up in down in joy. However when something new comes out for another company (mine) you are quick to dismiss it. No one questioned your results.. However you are quick to question mine.
You have not had anything good to say without flaming me first. I am asking you nicely to please leave this thread.
Maybe the mods will see what going on here...
It is so blatantly obvious you are MHP's number 1 fan.. There are many members who are not fans of MHP... That could be part have a reason why MHP is banned from from this site.
Your car is used in MHP advertisements though out the web. When ever someone gets an MHP product you jump up in down in joy. However when something new comes out for another company (mine) you are quick to dismiss it. No one questioned your results.. However you are quick to question mine.
You have not had anything good to say without flaming me first. I am asking you nicely to please leave this thread.
Maybe the mods will see what going on here...
Anyway, no sense in this thread spiraling out of control again. I hope the owner of the MBH/DC-equipped car either tracks it or lets DC take it to the track - the results will speak for themselves if that can occur.
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Yes I am obviously a MHP fan. However, I never dismissed your products nor have I questioned your results anywhere in this thread. Maybe I am senstive to the facts. The air boxes mean nothing on the dyno. They will help on the street but not on the dyno. Same mods minus the air boxes will result in the same power numbers posted by Hooleyboy himself. The power was over 470rwhp and the torque was over 425 which is higher than what you reported. Do we really have to go over this again? All I ask is to be truthful and honest with the advertisement.
I mean you nor MBH any harm. Just state the facts please and I'll leave you alone.
I mean you nor MBH any harm. Just state the facts please and I'll leave you alone.
How can an airbox make no power on the dyno, but make power on the street? You make that statement based on zero facts! How can you know it makes power on the street, but it wont on the dyno? Do you live on a street named Eddy Currant? I would strongly think about a RENNtech airbox.
Hooleyboy = me
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Facts: MBH headers + power gains + build quality/materials + attention to detail + cheaper price = Whats that "C" word Dyno-Comp used?
How can an airbox make no power on the dyno, but make power on the street? You make that statement based on zero facts! How can you know it makes power on the street, but it wont on the dyno? Do you live on a street named Eddy Currant? I would strongly think about a RENNtech airbox.
Hooleyboy = me
How can an airbox make no power on the dyno, but make power on the street? You make that statement based on zero facts! How can you know it makes power on the street, but it wont on the dyno? Do you live on a street named Eddy Currant? I would strongly think about a RENNtech airbox.
Hooleyboy = me
Why did Hoolamonster delete the competitions/my dyno results he posted himself on post #104? Probably because the results were higher and that means you can't use the "C" word in your own thread.
To answer your question about the air boxes. The air flow created when running on the street forces the air through the boxes where sitting still on a dyno doesn't have the same effect. Normal dyno fans cannot duplicate 120mph winds. Thats simple physics which is a fact. No discussion there.
I'm tired of debating this. Good luck with your sales.
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Without any conditions. He is a Sponsor and is paying for marketing his products here. He did not take anyone's money. He is not hiding from anyone and no one is looking for him. We can all read and compare numbers, use search an so on. You are not adding anything to this discussion. If it matters to you, I belive you that yours is bigger than anyone elses.
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I am considering the Rennech airbox.
To answer your question about the air boxes. The air flow created when running on the street forces the air through the boxes where sitting still on a dyno doesn't have the same effect. Normal dyno fans cannot duplicate 120mph winds. Thats simple physics which is a fact. No discussion there.
To answer your question about the air boxes. The air flow created when running on the street forces the air through the boxes where sitting still on a dyno doesn't have the same effect. Normal dyno fans cannot duplicate 120mph winds. Thats simple physics which is a fact. No discussion there.
Being a man with a lot of dyno experience, An airbox's ability to flow better than stock will show up on a dyno...I've tested airboxs before. What that number is.. depends on the airbox.
European car Mag seems to think the C63 Carbonio airbox makes power... Carbonio thinks it makes power? Only spark plug companies make claims of power and dont make power.
http://www.carbonio.com/performance/...airboxkit.html
I wont even open the debate to talk about MHP's products. As you continue to plug them. You need to do some stainless steel reading.
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I hope to some day to earn your trust. I try to offer products of the highest quality and I stand behind them 100%. If there was ever any sort of an issue with any of my products. I would stand behind them 100%. In Fact I value input from customers. I follow up with them as often as I can. Hoping to gain some feedback So I can make my products better. I developed these products with the end user in mind. Fighting hard to keep the price as low as possible while not taking away from the quality that is expected for a Mercedes-Benz.
I value your input, and if helping to fix an issue with MBH starts with me. Than that is something I will do. I'm a man of my word and I stand behind it.
I value your input, and if helping to fix an issue with MBH starts with me. Than that is something I will do. I'm a man of my word and I stand behind it.
With that, there will always be those that question to understand, and those that question to undermine...and even though you may be able to differenciate, others may not...such is the case with me...when I see you lash out at somebody, it comes off unprofessional, because the agendas are all transparent.
Not a lecture, just letting you know how I have viewed this thing. Best of luck moving parts...I'll let you know if I have questions...thanks!
