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Old Feb 19, 2010 | 09:06 AM
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To answer your question about the air boxes. The air flow created when running on the street forces the air through the boxes where sitting still on a dyno doesn't have the same effect. Normal dyno fans cannot duplicate 120mph winds. Thats simple physics which is a fact. No discussion there.
I agree and this is a very simple fact that is known. I believe Gale Banks (diesel specialist) is the only tuner that spent a lot of money on a custom wind machine to duplicate real world conditions on a dyno.

I also agree about accuracy and marketing of said product. Way to much self back patting. deflecting of basic questions, and angry defense which puts me in the same category as "miami1lt" where I'll stick with other tuners.

Hooley, you had some great posts in the C55 forum when I was in the market for that car a couple years back but getting involved in the performance market seems to have brought out the worst in you and as mentioned you may need much thicker skin to stay sane and successful in this business.
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Old Feb 19, 2010 | 09:29 AM
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Come on guys. Let's give everyone a break. Its really tiring reading long posts of arguments. The only numbers that matter to me is the price, dyno sheets, and pink slips. The rest is " I don't have a clue". All products have their good and bad sides, + or -. Let's just leave it at that. The best engineers are the guys that build the cars and the race cars.
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Old Feb 19, 2010 | 10:56 AM
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I know that some of you think that I have carried this competition thread thing too far but before you make a “judgment” or say “just leave MBH alone” I ask you to please consider the following scenario:

You have invested thousands of dollars of your own money through installations, dyno time, and track testing on a product that holds all the records to date. I am not bragging, just stating the facts. I have been blessed with the results and do not take the credit. All independent testing was done by the customers and not the manufacturer’s shop. These tests were run on cars, dyno’s, and tracks outside the state of the supplier. The records include include ¼ mile, 60-130 times, and actual dyno numbers. You are proud of the results and I know pride comes before the fall. However, you have over a year of time and money invested with tested and proven results to be on top of the game. Then you actually have friends that have witnessed the success and purchased the same products and have the same excellent results. You now have two separate cars with the same products on them that now hold the #1 and #3 spot on dragtimes.com. In fact, the #4 spot is held by the same products. Obviously the products work and have been tested and proven.

Then:

A competitor comes along with a new product that in their opening statements claim that all the products built before theirs are inadequate. Then when questioned they get defensive and make it personal which at that time it wasn’t. Then when the results are given the tests are good but not the best. Then MBH actually posted the competitors dyno graphs which prove the point that their numbers are not the best. Later they delete that post. Then on top of that they advertise to the general Joe public to view and read that the product “CRUSHED” the competition at a price “thousands of dollars less”. Well, that’s two more incorrect statements. They advertise that they crushed the competition which they didn’t and that they are thousands of dollars less which they aren’t. When will the advertisements be truthful??

I believe that there are a lot of educated, intelligent, car enthusiasts on MBWorld that really want the best products for their cars and are willing to pay for them. All I have ever asked for is truth in advertisement. Its great when a competitor comes along and introduces a new product to the market. Thats how many of us got where we are. Thought through the design and engineering and tested the heck out of the product until you got the results you are looking for. Its great that MBH is introducing these to the market and I applaud them for it. However, all they have so far is in house dyno results with no real world testing. When they EARN the position as the best for whatever reason they can boast that. But until then please be professional and refrain from statements like:

1. All the products produced prior to theirs are inferior which they aren’t.
2. They “crushed” the competition which they didn’t.
3. They are “thousands of dollars less” which they aren’t.

I have tried to be as tactful as possible and state my challenges. I don’t expect everyone to agree with me on this but I wanted to state why I have posted here the way I have. If it has offended you then I apologize. I plan for this to be my last post in this thread. Have a great weekend!!

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Old Feb 19, 2010 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Dads C63
I know that some of you think that I have carried this competition thread thing too far but before you make a “judgment” or say “just leave MBH alone” I ask you to please consider the following scenario:

You have invested thousands of dollars of your own money through installations, dyno time, and track testing on a product that holds all the records to date. I am not bragging, just stating the facts. I have been blessed with the results and do not take the credit. All independent testing was done by the customers and not the manufacturer’s shop. These tests were run on cars, dyno’s, and tracks outside the state of the supplier. The records include include ¼ mile, 60-130 times, and actual dyno numbers. You are proud of the results and I know pride comes before the fall. However, you have over a year of time and money invested with tested and proven results to be on top of the game. Then you actually have friends that have witnessed the success and purchased the same products and have the same excellent results. You now have two separate cars with the same products on them that now hold the #1 and #3 spot on dragtimes.com. In fact, the #4 spot is held by the same products. Obviously the products work and have been tested and proven.

Then:

A competitor comes along with a new product that in their opening statements claim that all the products built before theirs are inadequate. Then when questioned they get defensive and make it personal which at that time it wasn’t. Then when the results are given the tests are good but not the best. Then MBH actually posted the competitors dyno graphs which prove the point that their numbers are not the best. Later they delete that post. Then on top of that they advertise to the general Joe public to view and read that the product “CRUSHED” the competition at a price “thousands of dollars less”. Well, that’s two more incorrect statements. They advertise that they crushed the competition which they didn’t and that they are thousands of dollars less which they aren’t. When will the advertisements be truthful??

I believe that there are a lot of educated, intelligent, car enthusiasts on MBWorld that really want the best products for their cars and are willing to pay for them. All I have ever asked for is truth in advertisement. Its great when a competitor comes along and introduces a new product to the market. Thats how many of us got where we are. Thought through the design and engineering and tested the heck out of the product until you got the results you are looking for. Its great that MBH is introducing these to the market and I applaud them for it. However, all they have so far is in house dyno results with no real world testing. When they EARN the position as the best for whatever reason they can boast that. But until then please be professional and refrain from statements like:

1. All the products produced prior to theirs are inferior which they aren’t.
2. They “crushed” the competition which they didn’t.
3. They are “thousands of dollars less” which they aren’t.

I have tried to be as tactful as possible and state my challenges. I don’t expect everyone to agree with me on this but I wanted to state why I have posted here the way I have. If it has offended you then I apologize. I plan for this to be my last post in this thread. Have a great weekend!!
Dads,
This is a good summary of how you feel. We all get that.
What you don't get is that Mike is not your competition, so saying that a "A competitor comes along" is just wrong. You are not a vendor with a product. He is a paying sponsor and as long he is not banned, let him say what he wants and the way he wants it. Give us some credit. We can see through all the hype. A lot of us know that Mike has a certain style of communicating. I will not be buying "Mike", I'll be buying (if I'll be buying) his product. I'll let his products speak for themselves. I'm glad that you will give this issue a rest.
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Old Feb 19, 2010 | 01:14 PM
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Gang - we need to keep these threads civil and on topic please!

Mike/MBH - stop attacking anyone that says anything you don't like. Just because you are a sponsor, you do not "buy" the right to quiet all those that have comments or quesitons, especially when you open the door to said comments and quesitons. Best advice is to answer ALL questions (not just those you think worthy) with honesty and openness and without attitude and attacks.

Keith/Dad's - you have clearly made your point, there is no reason to restate it over and over, it adds nothing to the thread. Best advice is to let your enthusiasm be your guide and your car speak for itself.

Brad
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Old Feb 19, 2010 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by otoupalik
Gang - we need to keep these threads civil and on topic please!

Mike/MBH - stop attacking anyone that says anything you don't like. Just because you are a sponsor, you do not "buy" the right to quiet all those that have comments or quesitons, especially when you open the door to said comments and quesitons. Best advice is to answer ALL questions (not just those you think worthy) with honesty and openness and without attitude and attacks.

Keith/Dad's - you have clearly made your point, there is no reason to restate it over and over, it adds nothing to the thread. Best advice is to let your enthusiasm be your guide and your car speak for itself.

Brad
Brad,
Thank you and I will. Have a great weekend!!
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Old Feb 19, 2010 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Dads C63
From the web advertisement QUOTE:
End-All, Be-All of C63 AMG headers

"After months of Computer-aided design (CAD) and computer flow dynamic modeling, the Dyno-Comp/MBH C63 AMG Long-Tube header is now available to the public! This C63 AMG header utilizes the same materials and renowned build quality of our famous Dyno-Comp/MBH AMG-55 header. We tested this header on a C63 AMG with stock software and secondary cat delete, and realized gains of 60+ HP. Then Dyno-Comp added RENNtech’s Stage-3 C63 software in conjunction with the Dyno-Comp long tube headers and saw an additional 40-50 HP.

Pretty simple math: Get a 120-130 HP gain on your C63 AMG with Secondary cat delete, RENNtech Stage-3 Software, and Dyno-Comp/MBH long tube headers!!!

This new Dyno-Comp/MBH C63 AMG header has CRUSHED all competitor headers….and literally thousands of dollars less!!!"




"CRUSHED" PLEASE advertise the products for what they are and not embellish the results?? This is the type of advertisement that is frustrating to say the least. They may make good power but they did not crush the competition. The posts that are listed inside this thread itself proves differently. I don't need to add a thing. They are also NOT thousands of dollars less. In fact they are less than a thousand dollars less.I am not trying to start an argument but please don't advertise using statements like this. Based on your opinion and CAD research you may believe they are the best and made some power. However, PLEASE leave the boasting for the track and real world results.
Just let the guy market his product.

If you know and feel that these headers are not what they say they
are, then its simple, don't buy them.

Clearly, they make power and are cheaper than the competition.
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Old Feb 19, 2010 | 05:23 PM
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You're subtly twisting things, that Dyno is on the 55 kompressor platform

Originally Posted by MBH motorsports
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...e-lives-3.html

post #66

This is on a set of our 55 headers. Just want to show that what we claim in honest
NOT your 45 deg angle scrap-bin mismatched 63 AMG headers (Honestly looks like you made them out of paper towel tubes covered in tin-foil)

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Old Feb 19, 2010 | 06:48 PM
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Come on guys give Mike a break. He is a real stand up guy/ car enthusiast. On my second time meeting him he hooked my car up to a STAR computer, put it up on the lift, and gave me a couple hours of his time looking over my car for FREE. Its very rare to find people who will go out of their way and help someone just out of the sheer joy of doing it and not just for a price.(which Mike did) Most places charge a couple 100 just to hook it up to STAR. I got to hear the headers first hand on the white C63 and they sound amazing. Unfortunately I didn't get to ride in the car since the owner was picking it up when I got there. There is no doubt in my mind if I were ever to get a C63 Mike's headers would be my FIRST Mod.
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Old Feb 19, 2010 | 10:28 PM
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First off, I want to thank the folks that stand behind me, and the ones that offer kind words. It means a lot.

I value all the input from all members. I try to offer a quality product in a market that has little support. If some think the product needs more work, more testing. That is something I'm willing to do. I have lined up yet another C63 for testing in the coming week. We will be going over everything. To assure that no stone is left unturned. The result of the second test will lead to our 100% money back horsepower guarantee, to go along with our lifetime warranty.

For those who are worried about emissions regulations. I have decided to include FREE Hiflow performance cats as an MBworld exclusive. To those who want them.

If you have any questions, just shoot me a PM.

Again thank you guys.
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Old Feb 19, 2010 | 11:49 PM
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Mike,

I think you have produced a great product at a very fair price. If it is the best header for the 63 engine, time will tell. You are offering a quality product at a price below the competition and are now offering free race cats to MBWorld members. I for one will be getting in line to be one of your customers and if you want me to document before and after 1/4 miles times, 60-130 times, etc I will be more than happy to do so!
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Old Feb 20, 2010 | 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by MBH motorsports
For those who are worried about emissions regulations. I have decided to include FREE Hiflow performance cats as an MBworld exclusive. To those who want them.

If you have any questions, just shoot me a PM.

Again thank you guys.
WOW....
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Old Feb 20, 2010 | 09:16 AM
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will they fit w164 ml63?
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Old Feb 27, 2010 | 10:31 AM
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Old Feb 27, 2010 | 07:31 PM
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I had the chance to stop by Dyno-Comp shop and take a look around. Spoke to Mike ( Hooley ) also Rich (owner of Dyno Comp.) Let me just say that after seeing and hearing about Hooley's New designed Header system, I for one am 100% Going with this setup. The specs, the design and all the R&D done on these headers makes it easy for me to say
" PUT A SET OF THESE MONSTER ///AMG HEADERS ON MY CLS63"With that said I left my beast in Arizona and came on back to Cali. Guys I will let you all know the updates as I get them. These things are a work of ART.
Again I say the design is Simply the smartest I've seen to date. As you all know I have seen and tried just about every mod out there for the 63's..
Thanks Hooley for giving us 63 guys yet another choice for our cars..
One last thing that was REALLY a big surprise to me I offered to leave them a deposit but was told " not until the job is done" WOW
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Old Feb 27, 2010 | 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by rarfinancial
I had the chance to stop by Dyno-Comp shop and take a look around. Spoke to Mike ( Hooley ) also Rich (owner of Dyno Comp.) Let me just say that after seeing and hearing about Hooley's New designed Header system, I for one am 100% Going with this setup. The specs, the design and all the R&D done on these headers makes it easy for me to say
" PUT A SET OF THESE MONSTER ///AMG HEADERS ON MY CLS63"With that said I left my beast in Arizona and came on back to Cali. Guys I will let you all know the updates as I get them. These things are a work of ART.
Again I say the design is Simply the smartest I've seen to date. As you all know I have seen and tried just about every mod out there for the 63's..
Thanks Hooley for giving us 63 guys yet another choice for our cars..
One last thing that was REALLY a big surprise to me I offered to leave them a deposit but was told " not until the job is done" WOW
Good stuff, rarfinancial. So it sounds like you're replacing your custom Goodspeed LT headers with the MBH headers? Look forward to seeing your before/after dynos between the two header setups - how much are you expected to pick up with the new ones coming?
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Old Feb 27, 2010 | 09:33 PM
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Good stuff, rarfinancial. So it sounds like you're replacing your custom Goodspeed LT headers with the MBH headers? Look forward to seeing your before/after dynos between the two header setups - how much are you expected to pick up with the new ones coming?
Only time will tell. But I will surely let the forum know what my thoughts are with the project. No problems at all with the Goodspeed LT's they do great work. I'm just always looking top top myself. LOL.. MODAHOLIC.
Like I said the data and design really made me think about LT's and these are a different way of bringing power to the street. We have all seen lt's built the same way for years. It's time to bring something new to the table. Like I said we will see what we got here. I can tell you that the quality is 100%
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Old Feb 27, 2010 | 09:39 PM
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Only time will tell. But I will surely let the forum know what my thoughts are with the project. No problems at all with the Goodspeed LT's they do great work. I'm just always looking top top myself. LOL.. MODAHOLIC.
Like I said the data and design really made me think about LT's and these are a different way of bringing power to the street. We have all seen lt's built the same way for years. It's time to bring something new to the table. Like I said we will see what we got here. I can tell you that the quality is 100%
Cool. Any revisions being made to your tune, or is it strictly the hardware swap?

Modaholic... LOL; trust me, it's fun to live vicariously through builds like yours, Alan's, Ahmad's, Keith's, etc. - thanks for taking the time to share with the forum... good info for every AMG enthusiast, IMHO.
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Old Feb 27, 2010 | 09:55 PM
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Oh yes, The tuning fully custom by Renntech and the nitrous 100% reworked . Now that I have a greater knowladge of the 63's, it's time to bring the past 3 years of trial and error toghether. James at ACG has been there from the start and I just got word that he has something special for this round. You see guys many shops and sponsors can work together. It's all about us, the modaholics not what shop or venor thinks they have the best. At the end of the day it's all for fun.. At the end of this new round my CLS63 will have tuning,headers,air box,nitrous system, many carbon fiber parts, brakE setup etc. It will have great looks and great power. It may or may not be the fastest 63 or CLS63, it may or may not be the best looking CLS63 but one thing for sure when it's done it will be ONE BAD AZZ BEAST
A big thanks to all involved.. Lets get this forum back to where it was years ago when we all worked together for the better. LETS HAVE SOME FUN
sorry for the high jacking please go to this thread to post on my project.
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...ml#post3960944

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RARFinancial: Good to know you are trying on a set of these headers. Can't wait to see the numbers.

Mike: How much power is left on the table if the CATs are used?
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Old Mar 10, 2010 | 09:13 PM
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Did you installed your headers already Rarfinancial? We also ordered a set of LT from Michael, and will also do some before/after dyto runs to see how much our car gains.
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Old Mar 11, 2010 | 01:38 PM
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Mike: How much power is left on the table if the CATs are used?
+1

I'm interested in a set of these headers with cats but I fear
most of the gains from the headers may be squashed with
the inclusion of cats.
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Old Mar 14, 2010 | 11:41 AM
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Did you installed your headers already Rarfinancial? We also ordered a set of LT from Michael, and will also do some before/after dyto runs to see how much our car gains.
MHB desided to make the CLS63 headers from square one. Same design but made for the CLS63. That way they can make a production run that are ready to bolt on when you get them. As far as I know, No one as of yet has a set of production long tubes that will fit a CLS63. So this is great news.
I might even get a few sets made in different color powder coats just to see if certian colors yield more gains..
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Old Mar 14, 2010 | 12:25 PM
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I might even get a few sets made in different color powder coats just to see if certian colors yield more gains..
Hey Rick, don't forget chrome.
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Old Mar 15, 2010 | 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by rarfinancial
MHB desided to make the CLS63 headers from square one. Same design but made for the CLS63. That way they can make a production run that are ready to bolt on when you get them. As far as I know, No one as of yet has a set of production long tubes that will fit a CLS63. So this is great news.
I might even get a few sets made in different color powder coats just to see if certian colors yield more gains..
Any LT for the W211 E63 out there?
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Slideshow: A well-used 1991 Mercedes-Benz 300D with more than one million miles is now looking for a new owner, and it still appears ready for more.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-10 10:05:15


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