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Don't forget about the cost to install this bad boy. Then your lookin at close to $20k installed (if you want it done right).
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The Xtra-Power supercharger kit runs around $25k, so $15k for the Weistec doesn't seem quite as bad. Still would like to seem more videos of the cars in action though.
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Apparently the Weistec test C63 has been running around SoCal with the blower installed for a while. I'm sure when they have more info and become a sponsor, they will post all the information, videos etc that everyone is waiting for.Originally Posted by nrgy
The Xtra-Power supercharger kit runs around $25k, so $15k for the Weistec doesn't seem quite as bad. Still would like to seem more videos of the cars in action though.
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Luke, not sure how much I can say yet, but install will be far less than that, FYI.Originally Posted by LZH
Don't forget about the cost to install this bad boy. Then your lookin at close to $20k installed (if you want it done right).
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Interesting....thanks, Brad. Originally Posted by brad @ evosport
Luke, not sure how much I can say yet, but install will be far less than that, FYI.Thanks
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Have you seen the unit in person?
$5k? for install??? 
Anyone local wants this I will install it for much less
Anyone local wants this I will install it for much less
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Anyone local wants this I will install it for much less
Yeah ok Akhmed, Brad already posted the approx/anticipated cost....Move along Originally Posted by blackbenzz
$5k? for install??? Anyone local wants this I will install it for much less
And since you obviously missed it...my post regarding cost was more so geared to get a response from Brad (since I saw him viewing this thread) and perhaps he'd slip up and leak a bit of info so we could extrapolate what might be included in the kit...but as usual he remains tight lipped, LOL.
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The water in the system will slowly inc in temps under heavy use and in traffic without some extras...... extra he, extra reservoir...etc......
Other downsides of A2W:
1. added components, elec, mech, complexity
2. putting a water filled he in the intake flow path has it's own risks... and they do leak.
3. finite amount of he fluid media..... which will heat up over time VS infinite amb air.
Where-as the A2A has a infinite volume of fixed temp ambient air.
Downsides:
1. can be difficult to plumb in/out tubing... should be heat wrapped and mandrel bent to min psi loss
2. can have sig psi loss due to extra ftg of tubing, bends, and psi drop in large a2a he's..... I've seen 2-4psi of boost lost going from no he to a2a, but the cooler charge more than makes up for the psi loss.
There is no hard and fast rule in hot rodding....... each has it's application.
I'm pretty excited to see some serious mods coming rather than just bolt-on headers/air filter piping..... bring on some ported heads, strokers, and blowers!
I would also suspect that difficulty of routing the piping and pressure drop are two of the biggest reasons you don’t see more A2A intercoolers used with manifold mounted blowers. A 2-4 psi drop is a big impact when system like this may only be capable of 6-8psi. Originally Posted by betrezra
A2W - has downsides due to a finite volume of heatexchanger fluid mass.The water in the system will slowly inc in temps under heavy use and in traffic without some extras...... extra he, extra reservoir...etc......
Other downsides of A2W:
1. added components, elec, mech, complexity
2. putting a water filled he in the intake flow path has it's own risks... and they do leak.
3. finite amount of he fluid media..... which will heat up over time VS infinite amb air.
Where-as the A2A has a infinite volume of fixed temp ambient air.
Downsides:
1. can be difficult to plumb in/out tubing... should be heat wrapped and mandrel bent to min psi loss
2. can have sig psi loss due to extra ftg of tubing, bends, and psi drop in large a2a he's..... I've seen 2-4psi of boost lost going from no he to a2a, but the cooler charge more than makes up for the psi loss.
There is no hard and fast rule in hot rodding....... each has it's application.
I'm pretty excited to see some serious mods coming rather than just bolt-on headers/air filter piping..... bring on some ported heads, strokers, and blowers!
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Nice to see some dyno results from the Xtra power Supercharger system. Those are some great numbers.
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And since you obviously missed it...my post regarding cost was more so geared to get a response from Brad (since I saw him viewing this thread) and perhaps he'd slip up and leak a bit of info so we could extrapolate what might be included in the kit...but as usual he remains tight lipped, LOL.
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Yeah ok Akhmed, Brad already posted the approx/anticipated cost....Move along And since you obviously missed it...my post regarding cost was more so geared to get a response from Brad (since I saw him viewing this thread) and perhaps he'd slip up and leak a bit of info so we could extrapolate what might be included in the kit...but as usual he remains tight lipped, LOL.
Is that what you were trying to extrapolate?
5K... 2K...Whatever.. Total cost of 17K installed is probably not worth the HP gained.. I really want to see how much they are getting out of it first though. Better be 700rwhp for that price.
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I would like to see what they get too but I seriously doubt it will be 700whpOriginally Posted by propain
I really want to see how much they are getting out of it first though. Better be 700rwhp for that price.
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I want one asap!
1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=877j-ufLfWY
www.weistec.com
2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK4nFksfbRQ
www.xtra-power.com
I'm curious about the dyno results from the xtra-power kit. Are the hp lines measured in flywheel hp? I don't think they are measured in rear wheel hp because the baseline of an E63 is not 500 rwhp.Originally Posted by jman
Wow has anyone any info on this? Which supercharger would be better?I want one asap!
1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=877j-ufLfWY
www.weistec.com
2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK4nFksfbRQ
www.xtra-power.com
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You're right, because that would be nearly 300 rwhp increase, which can't be done with 4-8 psi on this engine application.Originally Posted by blackbenzz
I would like to see what they get too but I seriously doubt it will be 700whp
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Nor would the transmission ever handle it.
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Just curious if the CARB E.O that is pending for this kit will apply to all AMG 63 models?
For instance, when you read a CARB E.O., they usually state that the kit that was granted an E.O., must maintain the ECU tune that was submitted for testing.
I think the C63 comes with two available tunes from the factory: 1) non-P31 C63's and 2) P31 C63.
I'm not sure if you can upload a C63 tune to a P31 C63. Perhaps, you can, I just don't know.
So, I would love to find out how the CARB E.O. will work.
Basically, does a CARB E.O. that was granted for a non-P31 C63 apply equally to P31 C63?
And also, does a CARB E.O., that was granted for an E63 apply for one or both of the available C63's?
For instance, when you read a CARB E.O., they usually state that the kit that was granted an E.O., must maintain the ECU tune that was submitted for testing.
I think the C63 comes with two available tunes from the factory: 1) non-P31 C63's and 2) P31 C63.
I'm not sure if you can upload a C63 tune to a P31 C63. Perhaps, you can, I just don't know.
So, I would love to find out how the CARB E.O. will work.
Basically, does a CARB E.O. that was granted for a non-P31 C63 apply equally to P31 C63?
And also, does a CARB E.O., that was granted for an E63 apply for one or both of the available C63's?
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5K... 2K...Whatever.. Total cost of 17K installed is probably not worth the HP gained.. I really want to see how much they are getting out of it first though. Better be 700rwhp for that price.
Yes, it is. Based on Brad's response we now know that the kit is pretty much plug and play, requires very little if any fab work and is most likely pretty easy to install. Based on that, it gives me at least a better idea of exactly what they will be bringing to market. Sorry you had a tough time understanding my line of questioning...usually I do have a point.Originally Posted by propain
Is that what you were trying to extrapolate? 5K... 2K...Whatever.. Total cost of 17K installed is probably not worth the HP gained.. I really want to see how much they are getting out of it first though. Better be 700rwhp for that price.
I do agree with you however that for ~$17k or so, it's not worth it. The M156 was never meant to be blown, the transmission will most likely be ok in low boost applications thou...but you can get the same hp increase from bolt-ons that are much more reliable.
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True that.Originally Posted by LZH
Nor would the transmission ever handle it.
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Have you seen the unit in person?
Isn't he installing it in JrCart's car?Originally Posted by LZH
Interesting....thanks, Brad. Have you seen the unit in person?
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But, don't you love that Twin Screw whine? Music to my ears!Originally Posted by _AMG_
Gimme twin turbos!!!!
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Prob more like 125-150 @ most whp but I no nothing on this subject., but I'd like to see some test at the track
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5k for a supercharger install?? What are you guys smoking.... I'd say 15-20 hrs installation.
90-100/hr x 20 hrs = 2000, I'd say 3000 max. Unless your including the cost of gauges/gauge pod, tuning etc But it STILL wouldn't be 5k....
90-100/hr x 20 hrs = 2000, I'd say 3000 max. Unless your including the cost of gauges/gauge pod, tuning etc But it STILL wouldn't be 5k....
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This unit brings back fond memories of my Kenne Bell blown 1990 MustangOriginally Posted by SonnyakaPig
But, don't you love that Twin Screw whine? Music to my ears!
and that twin screw whine.
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90-100/hr x 20 hrs = 2000, I'd say 3000 max. Unless your including the cost of gauges/gauge pod, tuning etc But it STILL wouldn't be 5k....
I hear what you're saying and I would even think the install could be completed in 10-12 hrs by a shop that was familiar with the install. That's how long it takes for twin screws to be installed on gen 5 Camaros. Obviously, these are different cars. Originally Posted by pdjafari
5k for a supercharger install?? What are you guys smoking.... I'd say 15-20 hrs installation.90-100/hr x 20 hrs = 2000, I'd say 3000 max. Unless your including the cost of gauges/gauge pod, tuning etc But it STILL wouldn't be 5k....
Perhaps it takes longer for the 63 AMG's.
