2012C63AMG

I wouldn't care if the car was single wheel drive as long as they get rid of the MCT. I have a sad feeling the MCT will be in the next C63, makes that CLA AMG more appealing since it has a dual clutch. For the street the CLA will be able to get the power down much quicker and more responsive, with a tune and around 400hp its going to be quite a car, makes it hard for me to justify the next gen C63 thats just going to use old technology.

DiscoZ

While bumpy, esp. on 19's, I like the P30 handling, I still wish it had less floaty rebound, but I cannot imagine the non P30 suspension in the US. My M3 on sport (adjustable suspension) was harder than the P30.

I think the MCT will be gone, esp. if the lower model now has a full DCT.

rnorthen

P30 is the way to go, if you're going to really drive the car (even off the track) and you don't want the expense and MB warranty issues that may arise with aftermarket. I initially wanted a facelifted 2012, but after driving a 2010 with the P30, it quickly became a must have option.

I'm running 19" HRE P47, staggered with 245/35 and 275/30 Michelin PSS. With the P30 and this tire/wheel combo, I can get power down and it stays planted in the twisties...

Hope that helps...

2012C63AMG

After 5 years of having 2 C63's I wish the suspension was adjustable. I test drove an audi S4 recently as I am being transferred and need a 4WD car for snow, very impressive how you can change the suspension settings so when you are on crappy roads it was nice and smooth but could sharpen up when you wanted it to.

If its your daily driver I wouldn't get anything harsher than stock, thats just my opinion and I guess as better stuff is coming out I realize the C63 is showing its age and its making me more jaded towards the car, I used to love it an hopefully the new C63 will rejuvenate my passion, just hard to see lesser cars getting better stuff and all I have to say is well I have 500+hp and its faster.

Bardman

Per my comment in another thread, I've seen an interview with an amg guy where 4wd was ruled out for the next gen c63.

Pickles

Correct.
But whilst no-body REALLY knows anything concrete about the "next" C63, IMHO, it will not be AWD.
Cheers, Pickles.

Diabolis

I agree. The sport suspension makes the C63 a proper performance car instead of a luxury drag racer. Am also on 19" forged wheels with Michelin PSS 245 & 275. It's the perfect setup for the street and IMHO just the right balance between performance and comfort. Firm but not too crashy.

Bardman

Damn, you are going to make me find that interview aren't you?

Isn't it enough to say, "Bardman said its true, therefore it must be so!"?

jvanbrecht

Trust but verify

JumpinJim

Did anyone see MBs announcement of the 9g-tronic? There was something in there I found interesting. The maximum supported tq is exactly the same as what a 65 engine puts out. Coincidence? Something tells me this will be the next big engined AMG transmission. Depending on how much tq the 4.0T puts out it may be getting this 9 speed and not a DCT. Wouldn't be unheard of. Audi uses a regular 8 speed auto box and not a DCT in the S6/7 and RS6/7 models due to tq output and it's also a 4.0T. The 9g-tronic is supposed to make US landfall in 2015...just when the new C gets here.

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1085752_mercedes-benz-releases-details-on-9g-tronic-nine-speed-auto

bmoney12

I wouldn't rule out AWD yet. It seems to change with the wind. The article below makes it sound very possible considering they built a prototype. I guess time will tell!


http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...g-black-series

TT C6

The Audi S6 and S7 have a dual clutch transmission.

Only the RS7 gets a torque converter.
The lack of a DCT in a RS7 is why I will never buy one.
I'd simply turn up the boost on a S6 and keep the DCT and save $30k.

TT C6

Did you even read my first post in this thread that I started ?????
AMG is absolutely doing a AWD C63.

AMG would NOT build a AWD C63, and it would not be the current personal daily driver of a top executive, if they weren't going to do a AWD C63.


[QUOTE=TT C6;5683556]
My favorite article so far:
Mercedes C63 AMG
Our photographers have also spotted the new C63 AMG testing ahead of its 2014 release date. The images in our gallery show it sporting bigger, chunkier bumpers, large alloy wheels and twin exhaust housings at the rear.

Unlike the present car, with its 6.3-litre V8, the new C63 will be powered by a more efficient 5.5-litre twin-turbo V8. It is expected to have the same 518bhp output as the E63 and CLS 63, which also use the newer turbocharged engine. That’s a jump of 67bhp.

It will also have the same AMG-tuned seven-speed MCT automatic transmission, which along with retuned adaptive suspension, stronger brakes and less weight should help it improve on the current C63 AMG’s 4.5-second 0-62mph time, while using less fuel.

Meanwhile, a four-wheel drive C63 AMG is considered. AMG’s senior powertrain engineering manager, Dr Jorg Gindele said: “Yes, a C63 is possible. There is one car already [a prototype at AMG's headquarters in Affalterbach, Germany]. I know this because it’s my car!”

Read more: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/mercede...#ixzz2WXdlTDKD

JumpinJim

My bad. I still think the next AMG transmission will be their new 9 speed auto though. Their currect DCT can't handle the torque AMG is so fond of in the larger motots, sans the 6.2 where they strayed from the torque path.

JumpinJim

[QUOTE=TT C6;5762597]Did you even read my first post in this thread that I started ?????
AMG is absolutely doing a AWD C63.

AMG would NOT build a AWD C63, and it would not be the current personal daily driver of a top executive, if they weren't going to do a AWD C63.


Some of that is outdated though. It's already known the next engine for the C will be a 4.0 turbo, not the 5.5. AWD or not keeps going back and forth with different people saying different things.

ZephyrAMG

I hope I'm not just being redundant but the new pics of the 2015 C63 show a manual transmission, driver is holding a stick shift, shifting while driving...

ML63 AMG

The new SLS black series has a DCT... It can handle 622hp, so that's completely untrue that they cannot make a DCT to handle the power, they already have.

ML63 AMG

IDEAL SETUP:

- 4.0TT (with cylinder deactivation), essentially two C45 AMGs in a V configuration.
- twin scroll single turbo in the center of the V. (Aka "Hot-V" as they are called). Far simpler packaging and limits max potential power. Less weight of course too.
- Most likely, be the exact same Borg Warner B03 twin scroll turbo used in the C45 AMG just running a lot less boost since it is larger displacement and only 450hp stock.
- running the identical 4matic off the C45 using the new super lightweight "PTU" transfer case built into the DCT transmission but in reverse order (rear bias instead of FWD bias).
- 200lbs lighter
- DCT makes more sense given its use in the C45 AMG. MCT was merely a transitional transmission until Benz could finally develop their own DCT in house (Benz hates using outside manufacturers for transmissions). MCT will be phased out soon

They may do a twin setup in the hot-V configuration, but 90% above will be the final specs. Remember, they need to increase fuel efficiency in just 2-3 years to much higher levels so it makes sense for them downsize + cylinder deactivation (which by the way would essentially be identical to C45 AMG when running on 4 cylinders).

Just watch...

JumpinJim

Torque is the limiter, not HP. Of which the sls black has a meager 468.

Ingenieur

the trannies are made by Getrag
http://www.getrag.com/de/products/po...owershift.html

they make a RWD DCT that can do ~515 lb ft (think M5)
they make an transaxle version that will handle ~550 lb ft (not sure what it is used in, guessing Ferrari, etc., it's good to 9500 rpm)

there is no AWD version that can handle the S8/RS7 >470 lb ft, hence the autos

JumpinJim

And the rumor is the M5 is at the limit and the reason BMW has the ecu encrypted so well, which still hasn't been cracked, is to protect the tranny from tuners grenading it.

Ingenieur

trannies are rated by torque, not power
eg, Getrag 7DCL750, 750 = Nm = ~ 515 lb ft of torque (German: torque = Drehmoment, which I think is rotating force/moment)



power is meaningless without knowing rpm, and at that point all it allows you to do is calculate torque (a primary, instantaneous variable, a FORCE about a moment), power is little more than the rate of application/delivery of torque

Pickles

[QUOTE=TT C6;5762597]Did you even read my first post in this thread that I started ?????
AMG is absolutely doing a AWD C63.

AMG would NOT build a AWD C63, and it would not be the current personal daily driver of a top executive, if they weren't going to do a AWD C63.


Don't get too excited mate.
Neither you, nor me, nor anyone on this Forum, knows what the "New" C63 will be, no matter how much you want it.
Some people on here will swear the car will have a 4.0TT?....,and they are just as "confident" as you are?
AFAIAC, it is all speculation.
Pickles.

forcefed6.4ford

I cant see them staying with the same turbo.

TT C6

Twin turbo or die.
Please, stop posting, step away from your computer, and turn in your "man card".
I NEVER want to hear any "single turbo" nonsense again from anyone.