M4 dynos at 424whp and 425wtq :O
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i personally don't think it's rocket science behind what they do. they're basically just increasing the throttle angle to function the way it does on the higher end mercs that use the same engine.
basically, imagine your pedal being unable to go all the way to the floor.
the secret is how they tap into the DME, which is not something that would ever be revealed in a log
basically, imagine your pedal being unable to go all the way to the floor.
the secret is how they tap into the DME, which is not something that would ever be revealed in a log
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of course they do but they drive quite differently (EC has downshift blip)...i'd say OE is more for racing and EC is more for daily driving...yeah i can't show you data on real world DD driving ..that is something you do kinda just have to "feel" ..or you can do what I did and pick up the tuners when their on sale so you have both and can switch - if you want though, it all depends what you want out of the car you can't go wrong with either or
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of course they do but they drive quite differently (EC has downshift blip)...i'd say OE is more for racing and EC is more for daily driving...yeah i can't show you data on real world DD driving ..that is something you do kinda just have to "feel" ..or you can do what I did and pick up the tuners when their on sale so you have both and can switch - if you want though, it all depends what you want out of the car you can't go wrong with either or
would be cool if they had a "try it before you buy it" promo. put down a deposit, and if you don't like it, just pay return shipping.
but i don't think they manufacture the handhelds themselves, so they might not be able to unlock them again as easily.
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All tunes are basically the same. Some a little more aggressive than others. For instance you might like the shift pattern on eurocharged more than oe or vice versa. In the end, you'll be happy which ever route you take. And, I wouldn't take dynos to heart. I went with eurocharged because it was much easier to get a hold of them.
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I also have the RPM limit raised 500rpm on mine and it pulls insanely hard top end..you won't regret getting a tune, infact i know you'll be laughing after you WOT it and be asking why it doesn't come like this stock
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Then the next part would be to find a comparison between one of the OTS map vendors and the dyno tune. Curious what the delta would be like.
I really need to read more into this platform before i bore you guys with questions that have been answered over and over
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Is there anyone who dyno tunes? Or are the c63s stuck with off the shelf maps?
Then the next part would be to find a comparison between one of the OTS map vendors and the dyno tune. Curious what the delta would be like.
I really need to read more into this platform before i bore you guys with questions that have been answered over and over
Then the next part would be to find a comparison between one of the OTS map vendors and the dyno tune. Curious what the delta would be like.
I really need to read more into this platform before i bore you guys with questions that have been answered over and over
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Definitely. Nothing mind blowing, but another 10-15 or so whp wouldn't be totally unrealistic. Hard to give a definite number though.<br />
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Could also fine tune drivability to how the customer likes it. <br />
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I mean realistically, I hope these off the shelf tunes aren't riding on the DME's safety fallbacks to achieve higher numbers (then again like I said earlier, I think all they do is just increase the throttle angle on these cars). Without any logging, who knows what's really going on behind the curtains.<br />
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Not every car is the same, so they're more than likely leaving room on the table for safety, based on the lowest common denominator. With a custom tune, you'd be able to find your car's individual limits.
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It may look good & make good power but dang it, I cannot get over how it sounds
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LOL! Sounds like my lawn mower
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How about this... if you send in the ecu for tuning and don't like the tune, send it back and we will revert to stock and refund you (minus shipping)
Is there anyone who dyno tunes? Or are the c63s stuck with off the shelf maps?
Then the next part would be to find a comparison between one of the OTS map vendors and the dyno tune. Curious what the delta would be like.
I really need to read more into this platform before i bore you guys with questions that have been answered over and over
Then the next part would be to find a comparison between one of the OTS map vendors and the dyno tune. Curious what the delta would be like.
I really need to read more into this platform before i bore you guys with questions that have been answered over and over
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I think this should help... I don't know of anyone else offering this type of protection for you..
The emphasis is under the
TUNING (SOFTWARE) MOTOR REPLACEMENT POLICY
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M4's curb weight = 3,585lb or 1626kg
C63's curb weight = 3,963lb or 1798kg
The weight difference is not that huge, only 378lb or 171kg
Power to weight ratio with the official horsepower:
M4 = 425/1.626 = 261hp/ton
C63 = 507/1.798 = 282hp/ton
I say it's not hugely impressive, but the M4 does seem to be underrated more than the 507.
C63's curb weight = 3,963lb or 1798kg
The weight difference is not that huge, only 378lb or 171kg
Power to weight ratio with the official horsepower:
M4 = 425/1.626 = 261hp/ton
C63 = 507/1.798 = 282hp/ton
I say it's not hugely impressive, but the M4 does seem to be underrated more than the 507.
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M4's curb weight = 3,585lb or 1626kg
C63's curb weight = 3,963lb or 1798kg
The weight difference is not that huge, only 378lb or 171kg
Power to weight ratio with the official horsepower:
M4 = 425/1.626 = 261hp/ton
C63 = 507/1.798 = 282hp/ton
I say it's not hugely impressive, but the M4 does seem to be underrated more than the 507.
C63's curb weight = 3,963lb or 1798kg
The weight difference is not that huge, only 378lb or 171kg
Power to weight ratio with the official horsepower:
M4 = 425/1.626 = 261hp/ton
C63 = 507/1.798 = 282hp/ton
I say it's not hugely impressive, but the M4 does seem to be underrated more than the 507.
https://mbworld.org/forums/showpost....&postcount=103
The op said the car has 485 hp / 490 lb ft
Even 400 lbs is worth 50 hp
That is a lot
Not impresseed
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Closer to 600 here is the actual standard and type weight
https://mbworld.org/forums/showpost....&postcount=103
The op said the car has 485 hp / 490 lb ft
Even 400 lbs is worth 50 hp
That is a lot
Not impresseed
https://mbworld.org/forums/showpost....&postcount=103
The op said the car has 485 hp / 490 lb ft
Even 400 lbs is worth 50 hp
That is a lot
Not impresseed
That said, there have been LCI C63s that weighed in at 3,820 lbs (one was a member here) and there have been F80s that weighed 3,590 lbs.
The weight difference will vary depending on fuel load, options list, etc.
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To be clear, specs from bmwusa.com:
http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx
3585 for the auto trans, 3530 for manual. If anything, driving a 335i with another 100 horsepower stock is pretty impressive. It might not sound good but it can get the job done.
http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx
3585 for the auto trans, 3530 for manual. If anything, driving a 335i with another 100 horsepower stock is pretty impressive. It might not sound good but it can get the job done.
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To be clear, specs from bmwusa.com:
http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx
3585 for the auto trans, 3530 for manual. If anything, driving a 335i with another 100 horsepower stock is pretty impressive. It might not sound good but it can get the job done.
http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx
3585 for the auto trans, 3530 for manual. If anything, driving a 335i with another 100 horsepower stock is pretty impressive. It might not sound good but it can get the job done.
That is the eu weight and includes 75 kg plus 90% fuel
BMW USA does not detail it
They do in the UK, Germany and the rest of they world
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Weight
Unladen (EU) (kg)
1572 [1612]
EU/Germany:
1. Leergewicht EU ( Car with 90% fuel, 68kg driver, 7kg luggage (75kg). Latest EU definition uses only driver @ 75kg )
so 90% fuel and 75 kg load
1612 -75 = 1537 or 3381 pounds
EU Kerb Weight/Leergewicht EG:
Latest EU definition of "mass in running order" (curb weight) according to 1230/2012/EEC:
"the mass of the vehicle, with its fuel tank(s) filled to at least 90 % of its or their capacity/ies, including the mass of the driver, of the fuel and liquids, fitted with the standard equipment in accordance with the manufacturer’s specifications and, when they are fitted, the mass of the bodywork, the cabin, the coupling and the spare wheel(s) as well as the tools"
Previous EU definition of mass of the vehicle:
Weight of car with fluids at 100% and fuel at 90%. Driver included in type approval and official documentation. However the defintion of "Mass of the vehicle" does not include driver, but the EU-Directive defines that the weight of the driver (75kg) shall be included in type approval applications. The weight is given for the base vehicle with no options mandatory for the kerb weight.
(these do not include the 75 kg for typing)
The EU type approval number for the M3/M4 is: e1*2007/46*0377*06 and e1*2007/46*0377*07
These are the minimum weights listed in the type approval specs:
M3 DCT - 1560kg
M3 6MT - 1520kg
M4 DCT - 1537kg
M4 6MT - 1497kg
1537 ~ 3380 lbs
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Sportauto 0-124 mph
M4 13.7
507 13.4
Hmmmm
400-600 lbs lighter
Better balance
Wider tires
Dct w/launch control
7 year newer technology
And yet the AMG is faster or at least equal
Let's hope AMG improves the w205 more than bmw did the m4
M4 13.7
507 13.4
Hmmmm
400-600 lbs lighter
Better balance
Wider tires
Dct w/launch control
7 year newer technology
And yet the AMG is faster or at least equal
Let's hope AMG improves the w205 more than bmw did the m4
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I did read your post -- EU spec numbers may or may not be relevant to US spec based on # of modifications to pass DOT regs (weight-based or not). For that, I tend to go with the US numbers as a starting point. Not saying #s are totally off just need to be taken with a grain of salt.
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