EBD, ABS and ESC Inoperative - Also no power steering
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Just a suggestion here, since it seems you've tried a lot already:
I had a very similar issue with my '05 C55 and did pretty much all you've mentioned. Car was in the shop for 6 months. The problem with mine, because Mercedes, was that the gas pedal module was intermittently sending a fault to the PCM, and thus provoking all the issues. Couldn't hurt to have it diagnosed by a shop and ruling that out. Best of luck.
I had a very similar issue with my '05 C55 and did pretty much all you've mentioned. Car was in the shop for 6 months. The problem with mine, because Mercedes, was that the gas pedal module was intermittently sending a fault to the PCM, and thus provoking all the issues. Couldn't hurt to have it diagnosed by a shop and ruling that out. Best of luck.
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Just a suggestion here, since it seems you've tried a lot already:
I had a very similar issue with my '05 C55 and did pretty much all you've mentioned. Car was in the shop for 6 months. The problem with mine, because Mercedes, was that the gas pedal module was intermittently sending a fault to the PCM, and thus provoking all the issues. Couldn't hurt to have it diagnosed by a shop and ruling that out. Best of luck.
I had a very similar issue with my '05 C55 and did pretty much all you've mentioned. Car was in the shop for 6 months. The problem with mine, because Mercedes, was that the gas pedal module was intermittently sending a fault to the PCM, and thus provoking all the issues. Couldn't hurt to have it diagnosed by a shop and ruling that out. Best of luck.
The unknown here are the generic Control Unit faults (5001, 5944, 5945) that's not associated to a specific sensor but the control unit itself.
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You'd think there would be, but in my case there wasn't. All the shop kept seeing was the codes from the other items affected by the pedal fault. They replaced the ABS pump, ESP/ABS module, the entire wiring harness to the back and front PCMs, and some other stuff I can't recall. Eventually, the issue was found when, by accident, the mechanic saw a very minute and quick fluctuation in the voltage to the gas pedal.
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Weird. When I was troubleshooting, I data logged all the relevant sensors. Everything "looked" normal.
I was going to replace the module then it decided to stop faulting with zero intervention. Knock on wood has been fine ever since.
I was going to replace the module then it decided to stop faulting with zero intervention. Knock on wood has been fine ever since.
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Good luck mang, hope it's resolved!
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Add another to the victim count. Just had this come on today. The error message seemed to come on at a certain speed.
Jasonoff - you seemed to be troubleshooting this the most - did you ever get it sorted out 100%? Did you end up swapping the module, and if you did, what did the dealer charge to code it to your car? My battery is pretty old and likely due for a swap so I'm going to get it tested and replaced tomorrow. I'll then try the lock to lock steering reset, and also clean the wheel speed sensors. BTW, the wheel speed sensors are the ABS sensors correct?
We'll see if these resolve the issue. If not, I may try to buy replacement sensors from the dealer and swap em tomorrow. I'll save swapping the module for the last step. $500 or so for the module itself seems doable - I just don't want to be charged twice that by the dealer just to code it to my vin..
Jasonoff - you seemed to be troubleshooting this the most - did you ever get it sorted out 100%? Did you end up swapping the module, and if you did, what did the dealer charge to code it to your car? My battery is pretty old and likely due for a swap so I'm going to get it tested and replaced tomorrow. I'll then try the lock to lock steering reset, and also clean the wheel speed sensors. BTW, the wheel speed sensors are the ABS sensors correct?
We'll see if these resolve the issue. If not, I may try to buy replacement sensors from the dealer and swap em tomorrow. I'll save swapping the module for the last step. $500 or so for the module itself seems doable - I just don't want to be charged twice that by the dealer just to code it to my vin..
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Depends what code the module is spitting out. If it's a specific sensor it's an easy fix.
If it's a control module code, it's something either in the module or a communication error.
I think in my latest case over a year ago, when it was control module error codes, it had to do with writing tunes. Something may have gotten into a error state loop.
I'm willing to guess more than half the the time replacing the module was unnecessary.
If it's a control module code, it's something either in the module or a communication error.
I think in my latest case over a year ago, when it was control module error codes, it had to do with writing tunes. Something may have gotten into a error state loop.
I'm willing to guess more than half the the time replacing the module was unnecessary.
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Hey thanks Jasonoff. Going to pull the codes and see what it is. I have a tune on mine also so maybe that's it. Although it's been on there for half a year now and this is the first I've seen this happen. So you haven't swapped your module yet?
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Nope, it has been fine since it went on a fault spree last year, knock on wood...
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So I'm not seeing any codes. Used my torque app and had it scanned by two Autozones. Wonder if stored codes don't come up if I have the eurocharged tune on..
Disabled the auto lock before setting out. Also did the lock to lock steering reset someone mentioned. Drove about 30 miles since morning going to and from Autozones and no ABS errors yet. Battery test showed low charge. Considering the age of the battery, bought a new one. Will swap battery, clean off sensors and cross fingers...
Disabled the auto lock before setting out. Also did the lock to lock steering reset someone mentioned. Drove about 30 miles since morning going to and from Autozones and no ABS errors yet. Battery test showed low charge. Considering the age of the battery, bought a new one. Will swap battery, clean off sensors and cross fingers...
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I drive an '09 C300 but I just had the same problem too with the ABS/EBR/ESP inoperative and power steering malfunction this morning. It occurred during a cold start driving about 300 feet from my house; however my power steering did not go out. Drove back home, ran my OBDII, no fault codes discovered. Restarted the car, let it run for a little bit, drove around the neighborhood doing some hard braking and turning, and the problem subsided for now. Gonna gas up as another test run. That ESP console replacement is a killer
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You scanned for generic DTC or scanned the module? Those errors will not log a generic ECU DTC.
AFAIW know, any ESP message up on the screen will be logged by the module. When I first scanned mine it had tons of stored faults.
AFAIW know, any ESP message up on the screen will be logged by the module. When I first scanned mine it had tons of stored faults.
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Mine started acting up again out of the blue. Generic control unit fault.
Was fine for nearly a year. May be time to just replace the POS...
EDIT: Star diagnostic scan appt with the dealer set for the 13th.
Was fine for nearly a year. May be time to just replace the POS...
EDIT: Star diagnostic scan appt with the dealer set for the 13th.
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just an update on this fault i had an no oem battery in my car it started causing all sorts of faults low voltage particularly, eventually went and brought the oem battery car has now has no faults esp unit 100% guys check your voltage it plays a critical role in the ensuring your control modules work
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Jasonoff-
How was your visit to the dealer? Is your issue resolved now? Could it be a new OEM battery like FEZZ00 said?
FEZZ00-
Has your error returned since swapping to an OEM battery?
My error just returned again on one of the days I need my car the most... I had cleaned the wheel speed sensors when I first saw this error. Also have a new battery but not OEM. And I also disabled the auto door lock. Error still came back out of nowhere. At work now so didn't have time to fiddle. I will try taking my EC tune off later today and go back to stock ECU as that seemed to make the error go away the last time I ran into this.
How was your visit to the dealer? Is your issue resolved now? Could it be a new OEM battery like FEZZ00 said?
FEZZ00-
Has your error returned since swapping to an OEM battery?
My error just returned again on one of the days I need my car the most... I had cleaned the wheel speed sensors when I first saw this error. Also have a new battery but not OEM. And I also disabled the auto door lock. Error still came back out of nowhere. At work now so didn't have time to fiddle. I will try taking my EC tune off later today and go back to stock ECU as that seemed to make the error go away the last time I ran into this.
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My battery is only a year old and I tried a deep cycle charge over night as part of my troubleshooting before going to the dealer to rule out the battery.
It's just a POS module in a bad location.
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Haha this has been an ongoing thing for me for the last year. It's the ESP module unit and just gotta replace and code from with STAR.
Having my ESP module replaced today and BenzWorks is coding the unit for me today.
Having my ESP module replaced today and BenzWorks is coding the unit for me today.
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They said the module was fried. It started working fine again a few weeks ago with zero intervention.
My battery is only a year old and I tried a deep cycle charge over night as part of my troubleshooting before going to the dealer to rule out the battery.
It's just a POS module in a bad location.
My battery is only a year old and I tried a deep cycle charge over night as part of my troubleshooting before going to the dealer to rule out the battery.
It's just a POS module in a bad location.
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Both could have been mis-information though.
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So I got back to my car and started her up. The errors lit up again like clockwork. I stopped by the house, reset my tire air pressure since my rears were off by about 2 psi for a week. Then reflashed my ecu to take the tune off and revert to oem ecu. Error went away...
Curious if the tune has anything to do with it. But doesn't explain why it ran well with the tune for the past few months. Of course, it could also be the resetting process that did it.
Anyway, I'm good for now. Maybe I'll get that module swapped. But what's there to say the replacement won't do the same..ugh
Curious if the tune has anything to do with it. But doesn't explain why it ran well with the tune for the past few months. Of course, it could also be the resetting process that did it.
Anyway, I'm good for now. Maybe I'll get that module swapped. But what's there to say the replacement won't do the same..ugh
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So I got back to my car and started her up. The errors lit up again like clockwork. I stopped by the house, reset my tire air pressure since my rears were off by about 2 psi for a week. Then reflashed my ecu to take the tune off and revert to oem ecu. Error went away...
Curious if the tune has anything to do with it. But doesn't explain why it ran well with the tune for the past few months. Of course, it could also be the resetting process that did it.
Anyway, I'm good for now. Maybe I'll get that module swapped. But what's there to say the replacement won't do the same..ugh
Curious if the tune has anything to do with it. But doesn't explain why it ran well with the tune for the past few months. Of course, it could also be the resetting process that did it.
Anyway, I'm good for now. Maybe I'll get that module swapped. But what's there to say the replacement won't do the same..ugh
I have yet to find anyone who knows how the module works.
For anyone who has replaced their old one and want to send it to me to open up I can share what's inside. Could be something obvious that's damaged etc...
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I will call and ask Serge if that is the case, hopefully not since my mechanic removed the old one before driving it down lol.
I don't know about re-coding a used one I bought brand new from dealer.
