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Old Oct 20, 2017 | 08:34 PM
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NEED ADVICE HEADERS VS STAGE 1 VS NEW W205

Happy Friday everyone,

So the situation I find myself in is this

headers installed 2500 roughly

superchager 10 k installed

new w205

10 k down with alittle more monthly but not crazy


I have a 2013 c63 that i wrapped and did OE tune, but unfortunately i have found myself in a situation that I would like more power and the cost is almost a new car

what would you guys do? I love the car and it has treated me well, ive only had it for a year and would still eat a almost 15k downpayment to some extent because trade in value is only 5k over what i owe

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Old Oct 20, 2017 | 11:06 PM
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Wut? A new W205 doesn't make as much power as a W204 with headers, let alone a supercharger. You're not comparing equal cars.
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Old Oct 20, 2017 | 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Ambystom01
Wut? A new W205 doesn't make as much power as a W204 with headers, let alone a supercharger. You're not comparing equal cars.
No stock w205 doesnt make that kind of power, but the cost of mods for the w205 are alot cheaper then adding headers and superchargers.

so price of supercharger and headers for c63 = 15k roughly

w205 downpayment = which includes a newer car, and tune and downpipes at 4k is equal to the supercharger plus headers for older c63

and W205 makes more power
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Old Oct 20, 2017 | 11:28 PM
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Great, then go buy a new W205.
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Old Oct 20, 2017 | 11:35 PM
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Stage 1 c63s makes ridiculous power. Header + tune on these W205 biturbos is absolutely ludicrous power. Too bad you're gonna fry the warranty and turbos lol
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Old Oct 22, 2017 | 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Ambystom01
Wut? A new W205 doesn't make as much power as a W204 with headers, let alone a supercharger. You're not comparing equal cars.
My buddy has a 2016 c63s amg and he made 480whp and 580wtq completely stock. Definitely makes more power than a w204 with headers and a tune.
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Old Oct 22, 2017 | 09:37 AM
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I personally like the w204 a lot more than a w205, that is why I bought a w204 a year ago, don't love the exterior, don't like the interior at all and the 6.2l is just such a fabulous motor and likely the last of it's kind, but if you just want to make a lot of power, certainly the newer technology and turbo motors are the way to go, cheaper to mod and big power can be had!
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Old Oct 22, 2017 | 09:49 AM
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Forget dyno numbers I have real world results.i trapped 121-122mph on a full bolt on 204 and a friend was trapping 114-115mph in his c63s bone stock.

That same night my other friend was trapping 120-123 in his modded e63s.

Edit it was the normal 63 not an s model.

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Old Oct 22, 2017 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by nardobenz
My buddy has a 2016 c63s amg and he made 480whp and 580wtq completely stock. Definitely makes more power than a w204 with headers and a tune.
I don't believe you. That suggests the car is making close to 600 hp and 700 tq stock.
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Old Oct 22, 2017 | 03:26 PM
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Well I guess I’m also taking into account the resale of the vechile too
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Old Oct 22, 2017 | 05:42 PM
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You’re in the W204 C63 forum asking about what you should do next and don’t like the answers you’re getting. I suggest that if you want validation you try the W205 forum.
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Old Oct 22, 2017 | 05:52 PM
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First and foremost, have you test drove the w205 yet?
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Old Oct 22, 2017 | 09:06 PM
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Buy them both, mod them both, and then race them both to see which would have been the right choice.
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Old Oct 22, 2017 | 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by skratch77
Forget dyno numbers I have real world results.i trapped 121-122mph on a full bolt on 204 and a friend was trapping 114-115mph in his c63s bone stock.

That same night my other friend was trapping 120-123 in his modded e63s.

Edit it was the normal 63 not an s model.
My buddy trapped a 119 last night in his c63s. And for whoever doesn't believe his dyno I'll post that as well. 483whp/571wtq


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Old Oct 22, 2017 | 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by nardobenz
My buddy trapped a 119 last night in his c63s. And for whoever doesn't believe his dyno I'll post that as well. 483whp/571wtq

Looks at least tuned
https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-c63s-...rocharged.html
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Old Oct 22, 2017 | 09:50 PM
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its a bone stock ecu, right off the dealership floor. He should be getting tuned here shortly, and I’m sure he’ll post his numbers.
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Old Oct 22, 2017 | 09:59 PM
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Old Oct 22, 2017 | 10:03 PM
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I think something is off about that dyno. I don't believe that a stock C63 S is making more at the wheels than its advertised to be making at the crank. If that dyno is accurate, the C63 S makes nearly 700 tq stock. Bull****.
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Old Oct 22, 2017 | 10:05 PM
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I think something is off about that dyno. I don't believe that a stock C63 S is making more at the wheels than its advertised to be making at the crank. If that dyno is accurate, the C63 S makes nearly 700 tq stock. Bull****.
It was tested on a MAHA dyno, which are used by most of the manufactures. You don’t have to believe it, but the car is discutingly fast for being stock.
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Old Oct 22, 2017 | 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Steven Stierman
It was tested on a MAHA dyno, which are used by most of the manufactures. You don’t have to believe it, but the car is discutingly fast for being stock.
And again, would mean the car makes nearly 700 tq, stock. It's fast, but not that fast.

Edit: Other dyno.

https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-c63s-amg/613280-dyno-ed.html

So yeah, unless this particular C63 S is a factory freak, no way is it making 20-25% more power than it's rated at.

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Originally Posted by Ambystom01
I think something is off about that dyno. I don't believe that a stock C63 S is making more at the wheels than its advertised to be making at the crank. If that dyno is accurate, the C63 S makes nearly 700 tq stock. Bull****.
The newer turbo'd AMGs are typically putting down more power than rated from factory. Hell, I have over 760awtq in my E just off a tune and dp.

I love the w204, it will always have that place in my heart and the w204 c63 looks great, but the new tech + turbo's are nothing to fall asleep on and are monsters.

OP -- I'd get the 205. Newer car, newer tech, it's fun. You'll never get any money back sinking that money into your current car in mods.
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Old Oct 22, 2017 | 10:31 PM
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The newer turbo'd AMGs are typically putting down more power than rated from factory. Hell, I have over 760awtq in my E just off a tune and dp.

I love the w204, it will always have that place in my heart and the w204 c63 looks great, but the new tech + turbo's are nothing to fall asleep on and are monsters.

OP -- I'd get the 205. Newer car, newer tech, it's fun. You'll never get any money back sinking that money into your current car in mods.
Yeah, the E63 is even more absurd.

My buddy’s C63s made 510/600 with downpipes on the stock tune.
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Originally Posted by PurpleHeartAMG
The newer turbo'd AMGs are typically putting down more power than rated from factory. Hell, I have over 760awtq in my E just off a tune and dp.

I love the w204, it will always have that place in my heart and the w204 c63 looks great, but the new tech + turbo's are nothing to fall asleep on and are monsters.

OP -- I'd get the 205. Newer car, newer tech, it's fun. You'll never get any money back sinking that money into your current car in mods.
I don't doubt that the new C63 makes good power and has huge modification potential. What I don't believe is that this particular C63 S is making that kind of power stock. If it was tuned, it would make sense to me. Bone stock from Mercedes making almost 600 wtq? No ****ing way.
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Old Oct 22, 2017 | 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Ambystom01
I don't doubt that the new C63 makes good power and has huge modification potential. What I don't believe is that this particular C63 S is making that kind of power stock. If it was tuned, it would make sense to me. Bone stock from Mercedes making almost 600 wtq? No ****ing way.
Believe what you want. I showed you the dyno, that’s all the proof I currently have.
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