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Old Aug 3, 2019 | 06:00 PM
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Took delivery, drove it a couple of weeks then sold it. The sound really is not as advertised vs the videos we all saw of the 2019 press cars on youtube. Sound is a big factor for me, so when I found myself driving my GLE63S more then my new C63s i knew it had to go. Looking for a mint ED1 now or a like new 18, or other options.
Respect. Didn’t like it and moved on.

I’m a little curious too about you test driving the car first, did you?

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Old Aug 3, 2019 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Vader C63S
Took delivery, drove it a couple of weeks then sold it. The sound really is not as advertised vs the videos we all saw of the 2019 press cars on youtube. Sound is a big factor for me, so when I found myself driving my GLE63S more then my new C63s i knew it had to go. Looking for a mint ED1 now or a like new 18, or other options.
You are not the only one. Friend of mine did the same, and I actually canceled my order just after driving his car...
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Old Aug 3, 2019 | 07:23 PM
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The head of product planning for AMG compact cars, Bastian Bogenschutz, told the publication that “The regulations were getting pretty difficult for the sound to just come from the exhaust system, so we added the AMG pure performance sound, there we take the real sound from the exhaust system, the pulsation of the real sound and move it inside the car. It works together with the exhaust system.”
There's the official statement. Pumping sound through the speakers. I think the AMG brand just died.
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Old Aug 4, 2019 | 12:17 AM
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Since AMG is not putting out any official statement or even acknowledging it. 19' owners should start a class action lawsuit.
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Old Aug 4, 2019 | 11:34 AM
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Downgrade

Do you know if it’s possible to do a downgrade to ‘18 ecu version?... maybe the pops will get back since is the same engine
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Old Aug 6, 2019 | 12:13 AM
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PM me if you are interested in my 2018 C63S Coupe.

I'll send your the build sheet.
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Old Aug 6, 2019 | 09:20 AM
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Since AMG is not putting out any official statement or even acknowledging it. 19' owners should start a class action lawsuit.
This just might be the only way. Seems like a solid case.
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Old Aug 6, 2019 | 12:05 PM
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Finally drove mine in race mode this morning and I got some nice crackle and pops on down shifts and overruns pass 5k rpm. I am satisfied with the sound I just feel like you have to push it a bit more to get the desired effects compared to the pre facelift.
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Old Aug 6, 2019 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Soubido
Finally drove mine in race mode this morning and I got some nice crackle and pops on down shifts and overruns pass 5k rpm. I am satisfied with the sound I just feel like you have to push it a bit more to get the desired effects compared to the pre facelift.
And people need to also realize the car learns from your driving..

A friend of mine drove his like a little girl and would only try and step into WOT or aggressive driving once in a blue moon and it would not react the same as mine, which I drove like a made dog every day.

I remember on mine, when they had to remove the battery and the system was completely reset and had to relearn, it was same thing.. I went at it hard.
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Old Aug 6, 2019 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Soubido
Finally drove mine in race mode this morning and I got some nice crackle and pops on down shifts and overruns pass 5k rpm. I am satisfied with the sound I just feel like you have to push it a bit more to get the desired effects compared to the pre facelift.
Mirrors my findings. The car is definitely getting more theatrical as time passes and it gets used in anger. I do miss the downshift bangs but slowly getting over it. The ASR module has freed up some extra volume lower down too so I can highly recommend those if you haven't already.
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Old Aug 6, 2019 | 03:37 PM
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The head of product planning for AMG compact cars, Bastian Bogenschutz, told the publication that “The regulations were getting pretty difficult for the sound to just come from the exhaust system, so we added the AMG pure performance sound, there we take the real sound from the exhaust system, the pulsation of the real sound and move it inside the car. It works together with the exhaust system.”
Assuming it pertains to the current C63 facelift models, does anyone know if by "we take the real sound from the exhaust system and move it inside the car" this is accomplished by using artificial sounds played through the stereo/audio system like BMW does with the M3/4/5, or by acoustic and mechanical means like Lexus, Audi, and some others do by "piping" actual intake/exhaust sound into the cabin using tubes and diaphragms?
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Old Aug 6, 2019 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by PD46AG
Assuming it pertains to the current C63 facelift models, does anyone know if by "we take the real sound from the exhaust system and move it inside the car" this is accomplished by using artificial sounds played through the stereo/audio system like BMW does with the M3/4/5, or by acoustic and mechanical means like Lexus, Audi, and some others do by "piping" actual intake/exhaust sound into the cabin using tubes and diaphragms?
https://mbworld.org/forums/c450-c43-...ine-noise.html

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Fuses/sound modules in these cars to pipe artificial sound into cabin - C63 pre-facelift non PE is the only version of the car without.
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Old Aug 6, 2019 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by alexasa
https://mbworld.org/forums/c450-c43-...ine-noise.html

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Fuses/sound modules in these cars to pipe artificial sound into cabin - C63 pre-facelift non PE is the only version of the car without.
That post seems to pertain mainly to C43s rather than C63s (unless this feature is common to both) and doesn't really answer my question since I don't know what "sound modules" are. Perhaps a better way to ask my question is: Are "enhanced" intake/exhaust sounds played through an amplifier and speakers (either the Burmester stereo or some other speakers hidden inside the car) or are the actual sounds the car makes mechanically "piped" into the cabin using tubes, resonators, etc. with no electrical amplification or speakers involved?
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Old Aug 6, 2019 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by PD46AG
That post seems to pertain mainly to C43s rather than C63s (unless this feature is common to both) and doesn't really answer my question since I don't know what "sound modules" are. Perhaps a better way to ask my question is: Are "enhanced" intake/exhaust sounds played through an amplifier and speakers (either the Burmester stereo or some other speakers hidden inside the car) or are the actual sounds the car makes mechanically "piped" into the cabin using tubes, resonators, etc. with no electrical amplification or speakers involved?
There's currently no detailed description of the "AMG pure performance sound" system beyond what's stated in the interview, but the interviewee emphasis that they take the real sound and pulses from the exhaust and move it into the cabin. If it's electronic, that would mean a microphone somewhere in the exhaust, which I highly doubt, because it would pick up other sounds/noises and amplify them into the cabin as well, so I assume they are moving it with pipes, membranes etc. into the cabin. I suspect the 2019 C63S uses something similar. The sound inside the cabin does appear to be amplified, but it corresponds to the actual sound from the car. If you open the exhaust valves immediately after a cold start, there is even drone that comes into the interior and the sound is consistent with how the car sounds from the outside. BMW is known to use a lab recording of their engine and then use sound processing to modulate it with the current rpm. It sounds very different than the car sounds from the outside.
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Old Aug 7, 2019 | 03:03 AM
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To me, sound through speakers is pathetic and kills the AMG spirit
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Old Aug 7, 2019 | 07:12 AM
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Old Aug 7, 2019 | 09:24 PM
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Some good sound clips in this video. He gets pops up in rev range.
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Old Aug 7, 2019 | 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by PD46AG
That post seems to pertain mainly to C43s rather than C63s (unless this feature is common to both) and doesn't really answer my question since I don't know what "sound modules" are. Perhaps a better way to ask my question is: Are "enhanced" intake/exhaust sounds played through an amplifier and speakers (either the Burmester stereo or some other speakers hidden inside the car) or are the actual sounds the car makes mechanically "piped" into the cabin using tubes, resonators, etc. with no electrical amplification or speakers involved?
I have been in deep denial and even defending AMG in that they would never do that. Now I have a horrible feeling that I’m wrong! In my previous 2016 C63s opening the windows a crack would make the exhaust sound rush into the car. A significant difference between windows open and close. In my 2019 the sound does NOT change when I crack the rear windows. No change at all! This plus the fact that the exhaust sound is not really directional makes me really sad that it is probably true: we have fake sound.
Even the word”real” could be interpreted differently like real recording of the sound as opposed to synthesized!
IDFK anymore.
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Old Aug 8, 2019 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by cyberorth
I have been in deep denial and even defending AMG in that they would never do that. Now I have a horrible feeling that I’m wrong! In my previous 2016 C63s opening the windows a crack would make the exhaust sound rush into the car. A significant difference between windows open and close. In my 2019 the sound does NOT change when I crack the rear windows. No change at all! This plus the fact that the exhaust sound is not really directional makes me really sad that it is probably true: we have fake sound.
Even the word”real” could be interpreted differently like real recording of the sound as opposed to synthesized!
IDFK anymore.
If you did some research you would have seen that this has been present on all w205 models except for the C63 (non S) without performance exhaust.

So whatever you're talking about is either placebo or complete tomfoolery,
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Old Aug 8, 2019 | 11:19 PM
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If you did some research you would have seen that this has been present on all w205 models except for the C63 (non S) without performance exhaust.

So whatever you're talking about is either placebo or complete tomfoolery,
O’ wise one, please share your wisdom and source of your research.
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Old Aug 8, 2019 | 11:30 PM
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I think the discussion and the findings in the C43 specific thread are the ones being referred here, although the thread is too long and I'm not able to find data/evidence for the C63 specific findings being shared.

Also, it doesn't seem to explain the observations w.r.t. exhaust sound being toned down starting with the facelift models, unless both pre-FL and FL had exhaust being piped in and with the FL they changed the exhaust note being piped in.

I'm not defending the C63 FL or the pre-Fl, but still interested to see the data which shows this difference.
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Old Aug 8, 2019 | 11:31 PM
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You’re kidding right?

You actually think that the exhaust sound on a pre-facelift is the same as a 2019 with piped in sound?

Even AMG itself admits that’s not the case.
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Old Aug 16, 2019 | 01:32 AM
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I hate to be "that guy" that asks stuff that might be answered but this thread is long and all over the place. I have a 2017 that I just bought 3 weeks ago and wanted to give it some time to get an impression on the sound and I've come to the conclusion it pretty much has ZERO pops or crackles. On a higher rpm downshift in manual I get one bang-ish sound but never any crackles on downshifts, decel, revving, etc (I'll even attach a video below). The car was low enough mileage where it hadn't even been into a dealership yet for maintenance prior to me purchasing it (which I did first day of ownership), so I assume he had never done any updates. Now, does this talked about update add some pops and crackles or take it away? My friend that is a local MB tech said they've been doing updates to cars that have been making them more quiet and it's actually been pissing off owners, so they've been warning them first that there is no going back. That information seems to differ what I read on here. I have one update/recall that is ecu related that I opted out of during my first service, just wondering if I should have done it or keep avoiding it. It was listed as "1801p54a12 (sab) - perform scn coding in engine control" when I denied it.


This was earlier tonight in sport plus and I also have valve simulators so valves are full open:

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