What's going on at Kleemann? They are selling everything for dirt cheap now!

 

Economy.

 

Yeah but you would have to change out the brakes,suspension for AMG. Stock Clk430 has much smaller brakes and softer suspension. Also the tranny for the Clk55 is from the V12 engine. It just won't be a true Clk55 AMG.

 

it could be done,the question is for what cost.He has a 15grand car and is contemplating spending how much money to turn it into something it is not,for more than what the real thing can be had for.How much is your ecu?How much do you charge to swap in a 55 engine.How much to trick the transmission?All your points were noted.Cost is the issue.Spend the money and anything is simple.

So this is what "Mr negative have to say now..."
you do the job,post the final real cost,and tell us all what a cost effectice job it was.
and have it running

and we've done it for an E320 wagon with a 55,ask the customers that you did it for what the tab was to do it right?Or maybe you know Cory

engine for $3600 and swap for $1400. Keep dreaming

 

The V8 trannies used in the v8 113 motored cars bolt up and work just fine. The V8's use the same 722 trannies as the N/A V12's Jon. Are you trying to tell me I don't know what i'm talking about.

Who cares about the brakes,trust me they will stop the car. The suspension is basically the same. The CLK 55 only uses stiffer bilsteins and springs that will bolt right up to a CLK430. All the stuff you mentioned is trivial and not necessary to chg..

There is much much more into changing a 325i into an M3 vs chging a CLK430 into a CLK55.

Wanna know why? Because I've personally witnessed it done to my C43 and have seen it done to an E430 and I have personally turned a 325i into an M3 and I own an M3.

 

An E430 conversion into a 5.5L E430 = engine 5000.00+ install 1500.00 total 6.5k. Rebuilt AMG ECU = 800.00. 7300.00 total to go N/A with a swapped in 5.5l motor.

An E320 if the harness is not plug and play would perhaps be 10x a hassell compared to just a plug and play drop in for any M113 motored car. the 5.)L motor and the 5.5l drop in.in a 4.3l car is a cynch!

 

01 CLK430 plus $7300 your estimate of the swap.I put it at more.Let's go with your numbers.$22,300 total .You could purchase an 03 55AMG with far fewer miles,for thousands less than that.And end up with a better car,better suspension,the proper suspension,hands down better options and interior.
But by all means,have him go ahead and remove any value left in his 01 and do the swap.Resale on it will be next to nothing and if his wife ever does get a ride in the real thing,that will be the next thing she asks for.

BTW they use the same 722.6 however check the W number on the trans. it is a different valve body and a different torque converter.
You doing the install for $1500 plus swapping or modding the ecu and tcu for $800 no wonder shops go out of business.

No need to argue about it though,have him get it done.Have the job be professional and dependable and quick as the 03 for less money and his wife will be happy and that is what really counts.

I just watched an 04 CLK55 AMG cab go across the blocks at auction 69k miles $24,550 Ever see what a swap conversion does to the value.If anything it makes the car worth less or is it worthless

 

And I'd wager the increased competition in the MB performance market as of late.

 

Have a question - why the F*** people keep questionig my numbers then I do have a nice engine offered to me for $3667 delivered all included, have a job quoted to me, ECU, etc...
Next thing it would cost me $750 to have her 430 engine finished after we move Kleeman SC from her car to my E55, and I could probably get $1K for 430 engine itself. So lets calculate
for $6K payed and $1750 saved/recooped - my out of pocket is $4250

Cheapest AMG 55 Cab I culd find is bout $18,5K+1.5K in sales taxes
If I could sell our CLK 430 for $14K I would be super lucky - realisticly $12K
So I could pay $4K or 8K
as far as suspention - we do not ride stock 55 anyway - I have KW, and she might get D2. Breaks - I wonder if my W210 E55 breaks would fit.

 

is good.Two days ago you were asking could such a job be done,and now you have the engine lined up and a quote to install it.Go ahead.If you really believe you can get it done for $4250 out of pocket,more power to you.

The cost of swapping a 55AMG engine into a 430 is dropping by the hour.First $7300 from a guy that has not done one( 55 into an 01 CLK430 is a different job than a 55 into a 98 C43 To a tuner that thinks it is a simple cheap bolt in swap(yet to supply the cost of the other ones he assisted. And what version fuel injection 55 amg was used?)
To the owner thinking $4250 will get the job done.
You 3 are all dreaming.
But like I said.Get it done and post the receipts.I see a beautiful 01 CLK sitting on jack stands,with a pretty pi**ed off wife shaking her head

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MERCE...Q5fAccessories

oh well - and I located 2 more at round thouse prices. Quote is given to me by my mechanics(Auto Addictions) and they have done 430 to 55 swaps before plus I would think everybody who have privelege to have them work on their cars say it's a best grade guys.

 

$7300.00 is not an estimate. 7300.00 A Clk430 would be the same price,but I would have just purchased a 2k1 CLK55 if I wanted a 5.5L motor. What I paid is what I paid,no more no less. $7300.00 Plus my car is pretty unique. With the value of a CLK55 dropping like a rock ,if one could be found for the price Ahmad stated by all means it's the way to go but for my C43 with it's uniqueness,performance wise,and upgrade wise, the 5.5l motor was the ticket. Next move is to go F/I.

When I did my swap I certainly was not thinking about car value. I actually could care less.
It was the third #3 C43 5.5l conversion done in the country. Since then there have been many other V8 4.3L to 5.0L, 5.5l conversions from E,ML,S,CL,SL,G.

It's a worthy swap IMOP if one had a S430,S500,SL500,CL500 or any of the upperend N/A MB with the smaller displ V8 motors.

 

terms.it is a more than worthy swap For the OP it just did not seem as fine a fit as the job you did.
Peace

 

Just curious , who are these house of power outfit, never heard of them. Someone fill me in please.

 

Don't forget to calculate in how much of a depreciation hit the car will take from having a non-OEM, incorrect-for-the-model motor bolted in. My guess is that this extra hidden cost, when added to the cost of the motor/install and the cost of your CLK430, will put you at or near the cost of an '02 CLK55 cab--if not more.

 

Search for posts by "Josh K" I think he had a thread titled "my supercharger" or something similar.

 

Wow! How nice would that be finding an S430 and dropping in a 5.5L motor Same thing with an SL or CL500

 

+1+1+1. Like I was saying swapping out the engine is just not the same as the real thing! Another words its a fake AMG! Who would want to buy it? Definetely not me!

 

+1+1+1. like I said not worth the hassel. Some people have lives!

 

makes sense to me
dirt cheap W210 + V12
someone would pay a premium for this one.210 top speed and still pulling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK7lr...eature=related

 

Not as fast as it looks: from road test numbers, it was actually slower than the E55k (except in top speed, where the 55k cars are limited, some more than others ):
http://www.einszweidrei.de/mercedes/braev12731996-1.htm
Test in sport auto 10/1996
Gewicht 1850 kg
0 - 80 km/h 3,6 s
0 - 100 km/h 4,9 s
0 - 120 km/h 6,4 s
0 - 130 km/h - s
0 - 140 km/h 8,3 s
0 - 160 km/h 10,4 s
0 - 180 km/h 13,0 s
0 - 200 km/h 16,0 s
Vmax 330 km/h

Here's how a 2003 E55k compares:
http://www.einszweidrei.de/mercedes/e55amg2003-1.htm
Test in sport auto 01/2003
Gewicht 1944 kg
0 - 80 km/h 3,3 s
0 - 100 km/h 4,6 s
0 - 120 km/h 5,9 s
0 - 130 km/h - s
0 - 140 km/h 7,6 s
0 - 160 km/h 9,8 s
0 - 180 km/h 12,2 s
0 - 200 km/h 14,6 s

'course, this isn't necessarily a fair comparison, as a) the Brabus car was naturally aspirated, and b) it was produced in 1996, a full seven years before the 55k cars same out...by 2004, they were producing a biturbo V12 version, which was about 3 sec. faster 0-200 km/h than a 55k car:
http://www.einszweidrei.de/mercedes/...w2112004-1.htm
Test in Auto Bild test & tuning 11/2004
Gewicht 2000 kg
0 - 80 km/h 3,7 s
0 - 100 km/h 4,5 s
0 - 120 km/h - s
0 - 130 km/h 6,7 s
0 - 140 km/h - s
0 - 160 km/h 8,9 s
0 - 180 km/h - s
0 - 200 km/h 12,9 s
0 - 250 km/h (156 mph) 20,5 s

But, the thing is this: an M5 hits 0-150 mph (240 km/h) in the 21 second range, the 55k cars in the 23-24 range, and they aren't putting out anywhere near "650 horsepower" as this one supposedly is putting out (hint: imo, based upon examining multiple tests' numbers and the vehicles' weight, Brabus tends to overrate their horsepower even more than Benz underrated it in the 55k cars. )

 

Your a clown and PLEASE answer this Question. Other than the value and perhaps the brakes(which one could upgrade) what would be the difference performance wise? (CLK430 w5.5L vs CLK55) You would not do it because you don't have the brains to do it. People mod cars and try things for the love of performance and modding. The same reason why many of the guys in the W211 E55 forum have done TONS of transformational mods to their cars ,which I'm sure compromises their values.
BMW enthusiasts do it as well with the 540i turned into a 540i with a E39 M5 motor. Or dropping the E39 5.0L motor into the body of an E36 or E46M3.

Alot of car owners who modify there cars could care less about the warranty or depriciating the value of their car. it's a hobby and it's for the love of being creative and sportsmanship.

Did'nt you modify that slow-*** automatic 350z you had? Who buys one of those cars in an automatic anyway?


Don't knock the hustle because you lack the brains or ability.

 

I have been noticing a trend here, another post where Project C55 : starwars: and 95 just .

Whats up with you two, cant we just all get along? Big bully, j/k.

 

But yeah i think you right project, I dont think people who do swaps and modify their vehs are worried about someone buying the car, what others think about it, or what they can get for it. Usually modding your own car is for your OWN pleasure...right? A car is not yours until you mod it your way and make it yours.

 

Several years ago, myself and few other SEC members were fanatic about the 560SEC( W126 coupe ) . I owned five of them and modified every single one of them to a degree or another. Dollar wise it never made any sense, but I loved every minute of it and will do it again. Actually I wished I still had my last SEC, which I only sold because I moved. Back then the holy grail of motor upgrade was the hammer engine , which was still plagued with problems and constant need for maintenance, so I helped my friend Satish to transplant the " back the new early M113 " engine from the 95-96 SL also the 500E into the SEC. First it looked like easy work, but it was more work than we ever imagined , remember we had to completely adapt the car to then new LH Bosch injection , which wasnt even available on the W126, BUT for the love we had for the SEC it was worth it. Satish had to actually modify the chassis itself to fit one of the engine mounts, only to shoehorn that new engine in, back then he owned A Ferrari and few other Benzes. That transplant is far far more complicated than the 5.5L AMG into the 430Sport, this one is a piece of cake in comparison. Both cars share the same platform, wiring harness, ECU could be easily found better yet I am sure it can be reprogrammed....point is , you dont do this because it makes sense...you do it because you love the car and chassis. I think at least half the W210 & W208 AMG owners can in fact afford a newer Benz, I keep mine because I simply think it is gorgeous and timeless. I have the W210 AND the w211 and I love both, and if my wife would allow it, I would very much like to buy a W208 also. All you have to do is look at Ahmad's W208..now thats a gorgeous car...he probably has more money in it now than the car sold for new...I dont think because he has to, its because he want to. Besides, the 430 transplant offers several opportunities which would save on labor later...ex. Headers, motor mounts, possible drive shaft upgrade, porting and polishing the heads before engine is installed, pulleys...etc... BTW Lcat..check into the Alternator specs between the two cars, I think the AMG might have a higher amperage one.
Just my long winded 2c !!!
Max