THE blower thread
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Oh yeah, I plan to. When my klee headers were installed the downtubes were codged up with really poor welding and funky angles which I suspect are a back-pressure issue. Plus there is a small section of smaller OD pipe stuffed in there for good measure, (I'm not sure why)... just poor workmanship (BTW this was not performed by KLee.... but rather the 1st shop which shall remain nameless).
I might also put some 200 cel cats to replace my 300 cel cats.
More to come on this.
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regarding the klee ecu tune.... I'm thinking the car must have a tune on top of all the other mech adders to reduce stock timing to a level the blower can live with at 11.2-1 cr. I'll data-log my timing @ WOT on a few runs soon.
BTW - LTFT's are running 1.18/1.18..... so I can drive the car in the mean time until I get the exhaust/intake/peg mas sorted.
I might also put some 200 cel cats to replace my 300 cel cats.
More to come on this.
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regarding the klee ecu tune.... I'm thinking the car must have a tune on top of all the other mech adders to reduce stock timing to a level the blower can live with at 11.2-1 cr. I'll data-log my timing @ WOT on a few runs soon.
BTW - LTFT's are running 1.18/1.18..... so I can drive the car in the mean time until I get the exhaust/intake/peg mas sorted.
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I was thinking this weekend..... get Shardul to build me a new shortblock with sleeves, forged internals, (using off the shelf parts cranks,rods, pistons) with 10:1 cr... or something high boost friendly......
Then adapt a real blower on there......
http://roeracing.com/ProductCart/pc/...idcategory=336
Then adapt a real blower on there......
http://roeracing.com/ProductCart/pc/...idcategory=336
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I was thinking this weekend..... get Shardul to build me a new shortblock with sleeves, forged internals, (using off the shelf parts cranks,rods, pistons) with 10:1 cr... or something high boost friendly......
Then adapt a real blower on there......
http://roeracing.com/ProductCart/pc/...idcategory=336
Then adapt a real blower on there......
http://roeracing.com/ProductCart/pc/...idcategory=336
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Mod Bug has hit texas.
It seems I've accumulating alot of projects that could use al welding...... custom cold air intake for my car, custom exhaust mods for jetskiis..... etc...... so I'm thinking it's time to invest in a welder for AL....... from my research I'm thinking this spool feed Mig is the setup.
Does this look like a decent setup for the home-garage AL welder?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MILLERMATIC-...ht_5121wt_1398
OR IS TIG the only way to go? thx.
It seems I've accumulating alot of projects that could use al welding...... custom cold air intake for my car, custom exhaust mods for jetskiis..... etc...... so I'm thinking it's time to invest in a welder for AL....... from my research I'm thinking this spool feed Mig is the setup.
Does this look like a decent setup for the home-garage AL welder?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MILLERMATIC-...ht_5121wt_1398
OR IS TIG the only way to go? thx.
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"Can you use a E55K block and internals? "
Someone tried the Low Comp E55k stuff with a klee blower and not so great results.. I believe the klee blower runs out of steam when you spin it up.... so you loose power. It is really optimized with the higher C/R.
For really big power..... 600-700RWHP.... you will want 15-20psi...... and lower c/r..... and a huffer that can efficiently deliver this boost.
Someone tried the Low Comp E55k stuff with a klee blower and not so great results.. I believe the klee blower runs out of steam when you spin it up.... so you loose power. It is really optimized with the higher C/R.
For really big power..... 600-700RWHP.... you will want 15-20psi...... and lower c/r..... and a huffer that can efficiently deliver this boost.
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Wait until you see what I have in store
I was thinking this weekend..... get Shardul to build me a new shortblock with sleeves, forged internals, (using off the shelf parts cranks,rods, pistons) with 10:1 cr... or something high boost friendly......
Then adapt a real blower on there......
http://roeracing.com/ProductCart/pc/...idcategory=336
Then adapt a real blower on there......
http://roeracing.com/ProductCart/pc/...idcategory=336
Yes you can. I believe c/r is 9:1
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"Can you use a E55K block and internals? "
Someone tried the Low Comp E55k stuff with a klee blower and not so great results.. I believe the klee blower runs out of steam when you spin it up.... so you loose power. It is really optimized with the higher C/R.
For really big power..... 600-700RWHP.... you will want 15-20psi...... and lower c/r..... and a huffer that can efficiently deliver this boost.
Someone tried the Low Comp E55k stuff with a klee blower and not so great results.. I believe the klee blower runs out of steam when you spin it up.... so you loose power. It is really optimized with the higher C/R.
For really big power..... 600-700RWHP.... you will want 15-20psi...... and lower c/r..... and a huffer that can efficiently deliver this boost.
Google search what the autorotor 2.2L is capable of
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I was considering lowering the compression on my n/a 55 block. When I spoke to a Magnuson technician (prior to ordering my forged pistons) I gave him the crank and supercharger pully diameter, current boost, bore size post boring, ect...) in order to make an educated decission, not one I'd regret.
After he crunched the numbers he advised not to change compression ratio because it would push my MP112 out of its efficiency range, and possibly loose power due to heat soak caused by overspinning the blower.
Needless to say I kept compression at 10.5:1
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Yup..... my next upgrade would be a kenne belle blower with custom intake setup.
In the meantime..... I'll do long tubes/custom-y-pipe on this setup and get a new tune.
In the meantime..... I'll do long tubes/custom-y-pipe on this setup and get a new tune.
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Pardon the assumption, I was under the impression that kleemann uses the MP112 as well.
If the your blower is different, then the information I posted is irrelevant.
If the your blower is different, then the information I posted is irrelevant.
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My kleeman is an eaton.... the new kleemanns went to the less efficient eaton.
BB has the older autorotor, which is no longer avail
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If I upgrade, I might try to bolt on a newer version kenne belle..... with a custom intake setup..... (more to come on that later). Thinking 9.5-10 cr and large boost like the high power mustang guys.
BB - your car is a BEAST!
BB has the older autorotor, which is no longer avail
(If I upgrade, I might try to bolt on a newer version kenne belle..... with a custom intake setup..... (more to come on that later). Thinking 9.5-10 cr and large boost like the high power mustang guys.
BB - your car is a BEAST!
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TEch - are you using the mp112 blower with a MASS AIR SENSOR? That is cool if you are, then I presume you have a non M112 ecu? Because the e55k motor ecu uses a map sensor for engine control.... not a mAS.
Oh and thx for all your tech help... it's like pulling teeth to get info on these builds.
Oh and thx for all your tech help... it's like pulling teeth to get info on these builds.
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Yes, my kit utilizes a Magnuson MP112 4th generation supercharger and the MAF is still intact. I'm also using an adjustable Kleemann MAF clamp (same as yours) to keep the voltage from maxing out. Its currently set at 450.
My car's ECU is a Bosch ME 2.0 (not an ME 2.8 like yours and BB's) which makes it a bit difficult to tune, but not impossible.
The feeling is mutual regarding the shared information. I look forward to reading your updates as it is helpful to me as well.
Keep the updates coming and I will do my best to assist wherever I can.
My car's ECU is a Bosch ME 2.0 (not an ME 2.8 like yours and BB's) which makes it a bit difficult to tune, but not impossible.
The feeling is mutual regarding the shared information. I look forward to reading your updates as it is helpful to me as well.
Keep the updates coming and I will do my best to assist wherever I can.
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Hmm I wonder if I can adjust my mas clamp enough to get my max voltage below 5 volts? Mine reads 600ohms.... with it connected to the circuit... PTE was saying I need to measure this out of the circuit... which means cutting wires..
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Doing a little elec math V, I, R.
If I'm reading 5.11volts and my klee res measures 600ohms, then if you hold watts or current constant and adjust the resistance to say 500ohm the voltage drops to:
4.63 volts (holding watts constant)
4.2 volts (holding current constant)
I'm not quite sure how the MAS signal circuit works and responds to tacking on a variable resistor, but I think I'll try to play with the klee rheostat this weekend and see how it affect max MAS voltage under full load.
(more to come)
If I'm reading 5.11volts and my klee res measures 600ohms, then if you hold watts or current constant and adjust the resistance to say 500ohm the voltage drops to:
4.63 volts (holding watts constant)
4.2 volts (holding current constant)
I'm not quite sure how the MAS signal circuit works and responds to tacking on a variable resistor, but I think I'll try to play with the klee rheostat this weekend and see how it affect max MAS voltage under full load.
(more to come)
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My kleeman is an eaton.... the new kleemanns went to the less efficient eaton.
BB has the older autorotor, which is no longer avail(
If I upgrade, I might try to bolt on a newer version kenne belle..... with a custom intake setup..... (more to come on that later). Thinking 9.5-10 cr and large boost like the high power mustang guys.
BB - your car is a BEAST!
BB has the older autorotor, which is no longer avail
(If I upgrade, I might try to bolt on a newer version kenne belle..... with a custom intake setup..... (more to come on that later). Thinking 9.5-10 cr and large boost like the high power mustang guys.
BB - your car is a BEAST!
My sc might be for sale shortly
I like the way you think, built motor and big boost is fun times!
I cranked my resistor a million times and it still wouldn't go lower than 5V WOT until I changed the housing. You want to keep it under 4.75V max
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BB - did you have to re-tune after changing the MAS housing... or did your car adapt?
AND I guess it's safe to say I will not be running at the track friday night in 40 deg air if my mass air meter is pegging 5.11 volts?
) ......
BTW - I reset my adaptation this weekend after putting in the new mass air sensor...... and LTFT's went up after 1 hr of driving to 1.18/1.18.... then the next day to 1.21/1.21.... then today back down to 1.10/1.10. So am I just supposed to let the computer adapt over several days/weeks? Is this normal?
It's the same spot @ part throttle/lower load adapation..... 1.10/1.10. If it stays at 10% of lower I'm cool with that.
Just sent payment for some blingy new SS sexy MBH long tubes for the CLK..... I'll be selling these kleemanns when I do the swap. Is it wrong to dream about headers?
THX>
AND I guess it's safe to say I will not be running at the track friday night in 40 deg air if my mass air meter is pegging 5.11 volts?
) ...... BTW - I reset my adaptation this weekend after putting in the new mass air sensor...... and LTFT's went up after 1 hr of driving to 1.18/1.18.... then the next day to 1.21/1.21.... then today back down to 1.10/1.10. So am I just supposed to let the computer adapt over several days/weeks? Is this normal?
It's the same spot @ part throttle/lower load adapation..... 1.10/1.10. If it stays at 10% of lower I'm cool with that.
Just sent payment for some blingy new SS sexy MBH long tubes for the CLK..... I'll be selling these kleemanns when I do the swap. Is it wrong to dream about headers?
THX>
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MBH makes some nice headers! I installed a set on a E55 and they fit great and looked even better
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Jeff, I'm going to place an order for the DashDaq bundle (you posted the link), they also have boost/vacuum sensors that can be added, found here;
http://www.zeitronix.com/order/order.htm#DashDAQcombo
Are you using one? I presume you are for a complete data logging suite.
Cheers.
http://www.zeitronix.com/order/order.htm#DashDAQcombo
Are you using one? I presume you are for a complete data logging suite.
Cheers.
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bb - What is your fuel system?
fuel pump - stock?
fuel p/u - are you running the kleemann special fuel p/u in the back?
rising rate fuel press reg - are you running the special kleemann fmu?
dc-dc inverter - are you running this to spike fuel pump voltage above 4psi of boost?
Mas resistor - are you running the kleemann rheostat after you put in the bigger mas?
Basically do you eventually remove all of the kleemann tuning tweeker machines (dc-dc inverter, fmu, rheostat) and just have EC do what they have to do with larger inj, larger mas, and a new tune? I think that is where I am on this project since my car is maxing out the stock inj and stock MAS.
kev - I would get afr, boost/vac, and fuel pressure all data-logged into the dash-daq.
You'll laugh at my current real-time fuelpress/boost setup...... I took some mechanical Autometer gages with cup style gage pods and mounted the gages to a pad which I temporarily tape to the windshield for a few pulls to see what the car was doing. The redneck side of me actually kind of liked the gage pods near the cowl.... but sooooo no MB style You will find having the ability to read boost/vac, fuel press, afr while driving a big plus..... with all of these mech/electronic gadgets tricking the stock ECU for critical functions like fuel, timing.... you want to monitor things occasionaly in case something go amiss. The consequences are $$$$$
fuel pump - stock?
fuel p/u - are you running the kleemann special fuel p/u in the back?
rising rate fuel press reg - are you running the special kleemann fmu?
dc-dc inverter - are you running this to spike fuel pump voltage above 4psi of boost?
Mas resistor - are you running the kleemann rheostat after you put in the bigger mas?
Basically do you eventually remove all of the kleemann tuning tweeker machines (dc-dc inverter, fmu, rheostat) and just have EC do what they have to do with larger inj, larger mas, and a new tune? I think that is where I am on this project since my car is maxing out the stock inj and stock MAS.
kev - I would get afr, boost/vac, and fuel pressure all data-logged into the dash-daq.
You'll laugh at my current real-time fuelpress/boost setup...... I took some mechanical Autometer gages with cup style gage pods and mounted the gages to a pad which I temporarily tape to the windshield for a few pulls to see what the car was doing. The redneck side of me actually kind of liked the gage pods near the cowl.... but sooooo no MB style
You will find having the ability to read boost/vac, fuel press, afr while driving a big plus..... with all of these mech/electronic gadgets tricking the stock ECU for critical functions like fuel, timing.... you want to monitor things occasionaly in case something go amiss. The consequences are $$$$$
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