THE blower thread
01-13-2012, 08:45 AM
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C63 507 AMG DA Car #19
Well I came to a crossroads on this project at least for now and I've discovered the following:
1. The kleemann defined packages are very well thought out, engineered, street legal, daily driver pkgs. If you don't deviate from the klee combo's their tunes work quite well.
HOWEVER,
2. If you start doing things like adding p/p heads, smaller pulleys (more boost), these things will max out the kleemann tune. After all of my pages of data-logging I've come to the conclusion that my p/p heads/small pulley are right at the limit of my klee tune:
... My stock inj are @ 100% duty
... My stock mas is pegging in the winter (maybe in summer too I'll find out this spring) over 5 volts MAS voltage
.....
The normal upgrades when this happens is:
1. Bigger MAS meter body to it does not peg,
2. then will prob need bigger inj for the add'l air,
However this is the rub: The klee tuners are in Denmark..... and I can't really ship my car thier for a custom tune.
So I can stop here with what I've got and keep it safe:
** stock blower pulley in winter months (or short shift... not possible on this trans)
** sm pulley in summer.
OR - shift over to the Jerry Tune and move beyond my klee tune.
As I collect parts for my next round of mods... (I don't really want to stop modding).... I'll try to find a good local Houston Tuner who I'm comfortable can tune this beast as I step up in mods. But I want to maintain streetability, no CEL's, and emmission legal (no CEL), and have a safe tune. Etc... etc...
From what I gather this is easier to do on the E55K cars because they are tuned with a map sensor.... and not a mas sensor, and they have lower c/r pistons..... so more headroom to deto.
Time to do some homework with PTE and BB on next steps for locating a good tuner.
It really bums me out that I can't tune this myself..... Is there any software avail for the ind person to check fuel/timing maps and make tweeks? or does this power only lay in the hands of the few big tuners in the country?
.....
So far I've managed to log about 6k miles without breaking my engine, and I plan to keep it that way, so I'm being cautious.
1. The kleemann defined packages are very well thought out, engineered, street legal, daily driver pkgs. If you don't deviate from the klee combo's their tunes work quite well.
HOWEVER,
2. If you start doing things like adding p/p heads, smaller pulleys (more boost), these things will max out the kleemann tune. After all of my pages of data-logging I've come to the conclusion that my p/p heads/small pulley are right at the limit of my klee tune:
... My stock inj are @ 100% duty
... My stock mas is pegging in the winter (maybe in summer too I'll find out this spring) over 5 volts MAS voltage
.....
The normal upgrades when this happens is:
1. Bigger MAS meter body to it does not peg,
2. then will prob need bigger inj for the add'l air,
However this is the rub: The klee tuners are in Denmark..... and I can't really ship my car thier for a custom tune.
So I can stop here with what I've got and keep it safe:
** stock blower pulley in winter months (or short shift... not possible on this trans)
** sm pulley in summer.
OR - shift over to the Jerry Tune and move beyond my klee tune.
As I collect parts for my next round of mods... (I don't really want to stop modding).... I'll try to find a good local Houston Tuner who I'm comfortable can tune this beast as I step up in mods. But I want to maintain streetability, no CEL's, and emmission legal (no CEL), and have a safe tune. Etc... etc...
From what I gather this is easier to do on the E55K cars because they are tuned with a map sensor.... and not a mas sensor, and they have lower c/r pistons..... so more headroom to deto.
Time to do some homework with PTE and BB on next steps for locating a good tuner.
It really bums me out that I can't tune this myself..... Is there any software avail for the ind person to check fuel/timing maps and make tweeks? or does this power only lay in the hands of the few big tuners in the country?
.....
So far I've managed to log about 6k miles without breaking my engine, and I plan to keep it that way, so I'm being cautious.
Last edited by betrezra; 01-13-2012 at 08:56 AM.
01-13-2012, 08:57 AM
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Well I came to a crossroads on this project at least for now and I've discovered the following:
1. The kleemann defined packages are very well thought out, engineered, street legal, daily driver pkgs. If you don't deviate from the klee combo's their tunes work quite well.
HOWEVER,
2. If you start doing things like adding p/p heads, smaller pulleys (more boost), these things will max out the kleemann tune. After all of my pages of data-logging I've come to the conclusion that my p/p heads/small pulley are right at the limit of my klee tune:
... My stock inj are @ 100% duty
... My stock mas is pegging in the winter (maybe in summer too I'll find out this spring) over 5 volts MAS voltage
.....
The normal upgrades when this happens is:
1. Bigger MAS meter body to it does not peg,
2. then will prob need bigger inj for the add'l air,
However this is the rub: The klee tuners are in Denmark..... and I can't really ship my car thier for a custom tune.
So I can stop here with what I've got and keep it safe:
** stock blower pulley in winter months (or short shift... not possible on this trans)
** sm pulley in summer.
OR - shift over to the Jerry Tune and move beyond my klee tune.
As I collect parts for my next round of mods... (I don't really want to stop modding).... I'll try to find a good local Houston Tuner who I'm comfortable can tune this beast as I step up in mods. But I want to maintain streetability, no CEL's, and emmission legal (no CEL), and have a safe tune. Etc... etc...
From what I gather this is easier to do on the E55K cars because they are tuned with a map sensor.... and not a mas sensor, and they have lower c/r pistons..... so more headroom to deto.
Time to do some homework with PTE and BB on next steps for locating a good tuner.
It really bums me out that I can't tune this myself..... Is there any software avail for the ind person to check fuel/timing maps and make tweeks? or does this power only lay in the hands of the few big tuners in the country?
.....
Another thing I'll test this spring is stock blower pulley with the new MBH long tubes on current tune. Perhaps the extra tq of the lt headers will make up for some of the boost lost with the stock pulley swap? More to come on that.
1. The kleemann defined packages are very well thought out, engineered, street legal, daily driver pkgs. If you don't deviate from the klee combo's their tunes work quite well.
HOWEVER,
2. If you start doing things like adding p/p heads, smaller pulleys (more boost), these things will max out the kleemann tune. After all of my pages of data-logging I've come to the conclusion that my p/p heads/small pulley are right at the limit of my klee tune:
... My stock inj are @ 100% duty
... My stock mas is pegging in the winter (maybe in summer too I'll find out this spring) over 5 volts MAS voltage
.....
The normal upgrades when this happens is:
1. Bigger MAS meter body to it does not peg,
2. then will prob need bigger inj for the add'l air,
However this is the rub: The klee tuners are in Denmark..... and I can't really ship my car thier for a custom tune.
So I can stop here with what I've got and keep it safe:
** stock blower pulley in winter months (or short shift... not possible on this trans)
** sm pulley in summer.
OR - shift over to the Jerry Tune and move beyond my klee tune.
As I collect parts for my next round of mods... (I don't really want to stop modding).... I'll try to find a good local Houston Tuner who I'm comfortable can tune this beast as I step up in mods. But I want to maintain streetability, no CEL's, and emmission legal (no CEL), and have a safe tune. Etc... etc...
From what I gather this is easier to do on the E55K cars because they are tuned with a map sensor.... and not a mas sensor, and they have lower c/r pistons..... so more headroom to deto.
Time to do some homework with PTE and BB on next steps for locating a good tuner.
It really bums me out that I can't tune this myself..... Is there any software avail for the ind person to check fuel/timing maps and make tweeks? or does this power only lay in the hands of the few big tuners in the country?
.....
Another thing I'll test this spring is stock blower pulley with the new MBH long tubes on current tune. Perhaps the extra tq of the lt headers will make up for some of the boost lost with the stock pulley swap? More to come on that.
01-13-2012, 09:20 AM
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Do everything all at once and have Jerry dial it all in.
Oh, one more thing, loop the fuel rail or you WILL crack a few piston skirts. Take it from someone who's been there done that.... twice!
01-14-2012, 08:02 AM
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05 ML-500 , 03 CLK5.5 AMG has left the Garage
2.8 Steel pulley
Guess what I Have , And you are most welcomed to it. 2.8" steel pulley , I also can get other sizes in Alum , but they are press fit , were the steel is slip fit , For Eaton m-112 gen 4 Blowers.
Cheers _PTEngineering
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01-14-2012, 08:35 AM
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I love how the Kleemann guys help each other out!!! Very kind gesture by pte
01-14-2012, 08:57 AM
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THanks guys.... I've YET to make it to the TRACK after all this time, but I believe patience is in order when dealing with -1250 DA, and 35 deg F Air 
01-14-2012, 01:34 PM
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'05 C200K SS, '05 Kleemann CLK500K, '08 Hummer H3 & '92 Z34 5sp (track car in Canada)
I'm in the same boat as you Jeff, been a year since I've been to the track and that was BEFORE all my track mods 
Getting close now though, just making sure everything is perfect, as you are. We get a little smarter with age
Getting close now though, just making sure everything is perfect, as you are. We get a little smarter with age
01-14-2012, 03:07 PM
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Kev - you have no idea how hard it was for me to sit on the sidelines last night in perfect air at the track and watch the e55's run while my car sat idle in the pkg lot 
20 years ago I would have just run it, but thoughts of holes in pistons and broken ring lands, and blown hg come to mine at the top of 3rd with -1250 DA air cond.
20 years ago I would have just run it, but thoughts of holes in pistons and broken ring lands, and blown hg come to mine at the top of 3rd with -1250 DA air cond.
01-14-2012, 03:51 PM
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Oh believe me, same here, have tons of pics of shattered 350 and 400 SBC pistons to show for it.
01-22-2012, 02:04 AM
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'05 C200K SS, '05 Kleemann CLK500K, '08 Hummer H3 & '92 Z34 5sp (track car in Canada)
I've got a rare full week in Dubai so that means off to the office in the early morning to watch the hockey game before the start of the day (Flames 6 Oilers 2 
). Anyways, it was a very cool moring here, 65*F, oh my God does that car every love the cool air!
Now I know what you guys State-side are talking about with the Kleemann blowers, it's like a totally different car. This would be a great week to make a dyno pull some morning
). Anyways, it was a very cool moring here, 65*F, oh my God does that car every love the cool air!Now I know what you guys State-side are talking about with the Kleemann blowers, it's like a totally different car. This would be a great week to make a dyno pull some morning
01-24-2012, 07:14 PM
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Big Thanks to PTE for the stock pulley hook-up.
I just did my 1st oil change/filter change on this car using a fleabay elec pump oil-changer unit thru the dipstick tube. Talk about EASY! Wow. I used the pump to suck out the oil, and then to transfer the oil from the bucket back into the plastic mobil one jugs, no pouring, no mess.
It was nice to inspect the oil after 6600 miles of kleemann power and see ONLY oil .... nothing funny or strange.
I will never crawl under a car for an oil change again.
Cheers,
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I just did my 1st oil change/filter change on this car using a fleabay elec pump oil-changer unit thru the dipstick tube. Talk about EASY! Wow. I used the pump to suck out the oil, and then to transfer the oil from the bucket back into the plastic mobil one jugs, no pouring, no mess.
It was nice to inspect the oil after 6600 miles of kleemann power and see ONLY oil
.... nothing funny or strange. I will never crawl under a car for an oil change again.
Cheers,
Jeff
01-26-2012, 07:03 PM
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Once I put the stock pulley back on, I'll check MAS Voltage under load.. and if not pegging.... it's time to run. albiet with less power, but at least I'll be safe.
01-27-2012, 02:56 AM
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You going to get out to an auto-x or SOLO1 event or just drag?
01-27-2012, 08:05 AM
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Kev - LMK how you like your clk on the track and I'll go from there...... part of me thinks a cheap used c5 might be my ticket for solo-1 action.
01-28-2012, 01:04 AM
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I see you found my track pic thread - motivated yet?
01-29-2012, 10:21 AM
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Headers haven't come yet..... got a pm... held up by water jet machine for flanges..... I advised No rush at all.
I'm busy getting my boats ready for jetski buoy chasing season this year.... so I've got plenty to do.
I got a tip from another klee guy who's running an x5 4.4 liter mass air housing with stock elec and no tune change...... to keep max voltage of MASS AIR safe....... got one coming to my shop to test out. More to come.
PTE was kind enough to send me a stock pulley to test as well.
LTFT's are right at 10/10 now with klee resistor box @ 650ohms and small pulley. I just stay out of it in HighRPM's for now... which is hard to do
Had some new V12 S class try to play....... buh bye
I'm busy getting my boats ready for jetski buoy chasing season this year.... so I've got plenty to do.
I got a tip from another klee guy who's running an x5 4.4 liter mass air housing with stock elec and no tune change...... to keep max voltage of MASS AIR safe....... got one coming to my shop to test out. More to come.
PTE was kind enough to send me a stock pulley to test as well.
LTFT's are right at 10/10 now with klee resistor box @ 650ohms and small pulley. I just stay out of it in HighRPM's for now... which is hard to do
Had some new V12 S class try to play....... buh bye
02-03-2012, 09:11 PM
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