Originally Posted by Diabolis

For every car that changes hands on the used market, they sell one fewer new car. Mercedes is in the business of MAKING cars, not SELLING them..

Originally Posted by kajtek1

My observations are otherwise.
Most of the time the 1st owner trades the car is becouse he/she buys a new one. There are exceptions obviously and I bought Mercedes sedan from Ford dealer as female 1st owner traded it for Ford Mustang.
Than nobody made profit on just making something. You have to sell it to get cash in business.

Originally Posted by kajtek1

We can argue what we believe, but from my observations, would there be no buyer for used car, the original owner would rather keep driving it, instead of buying new one.
Also general wisdom is that car manufacturers don't make big profits on new car sales. They profit much more from parts selling or SUV
Still remember the article, where several years ago Ford was selling their popular sedan for $500 loss, only to meet Federals quota on sedans/SUV percentage.

Originally Posted by Diabolis

A company that has exploited American consumers? Wow... that is brilliant. Have you looked at *any* other company in the country you live in?

The fact that many people across the spectrum of economic capacity buy their Mercedes’ used does NOT benefit Mercedes in any way, shape or form. For every car that changes hands on the used market, they sell one fewer new car. Mercedes is in the business of MAKING cars, not SELLING them.

I am neither whining nor am I part of said lawsuit to begin with (and just for the record, I've bought all of my Mercs new). If you don't know what whining is, it is lot of you moaning and complaining that you still haven't received a cheque you shouldn't have had to receive in the first place except for the fact that you live in a country where suing and litigation is the national sport. Ranting in this particular case is almost synonymous with whining.

The forum suffers because of people who buy vehicles that they can't afford, and then join the board to b!tch and moan about absolutely everything that doesn't meet their completely unrealistic expectations. In other words, the lot of you with single-digit or low double-digit post counts whose only contribution to the community are your expressions of displeasure with your own decisions that you are now projecting on whoever else you can. It's Mercedes... it's the dealerships... it's the guy(s) telling me that I am a whiny child... but it is never you. Man the fück up, accept some responsibility for making a bad decision by buying a Mercedes that you can't afford to properly service instead of a Toyota, and move on. No one cares about your late cheques except other whiny people that made the same bad decision as you.

Originally Posted by Diabolis

How? The first owners buy the new cars on which Mercedes makes money, but their used cars then change hands on the used market and stay in service for a number of years afterwards, and Mercedes - and every other manufacturer - loses out on those potential sales as a result. If a car was made to fall apart after 5 years - as they are increasingly now made - then the 1st owner still buys a new car, but there are no 5+ year-old cars available that people can buy used, and they are now also forced to buy new cars instead (they will obviously have to be cheaper models, but they are nonetheless new cars on which the car manufacturers DO make a profit). Used cars salespeople make profits on selling used cars, not the car manufacturers. If you manufacture light bulbs that last 20 years and someone needs 10 light bulbs, you sell 10 bulbs every 20 years. If you make light bulbs that last five years instead of 20, you sell 40 bulbs during that same 20 year period. It's simple economics.

Originally Posted by John CC

Mercedes have fixed all the (US) cars for free. The only people who have lost money are the buyers who paid full price then sold after the flaws emerged, or had to make the repairs on their own nickel. To everyone else, it's a windfall.

Proof again, woe be to those that get between people and the free stuff they're "entitled" to...

Originally Posted by MartyRL

I had the AEM completed in August (4300 miles ago). About 200 miles ago the initial AdBlue message appeared. I thought that there would be about 1000 miles before the number of starts count down initiated - but it started today.

Questions:

1) Does the AEM include replacing/filling the Adblue? My AEM service order doesn't mention it - just "Replaced combo box DOC/DPF, nox sensors...[etc]"

2) The fact that the engine starts count down initiated so soon after the initial Adblue message has me worried there is a possible Adblue leak. Since I recently purchased the car this is the first time I have had to deal with these messages. The B service is due in 900 miles and since the Adblue is drained and refilled with the B service my plan was to have the AdBlue added at that time. Since I have gotten the count down I have scheduled the service for a couple days from now. But does it sound reasonable that the count down would appear so soon after the initial AdBlue message ("Refill AdBlue/Def See Operators Manual". Also - I don't recall seeing "Check Additive See Operators Manual" message.

Originally Posted by Pmount1!

My ML has always been easy on Adblue. Filled the tank just prior to 3,000 mike trip. Curiosity got me when I returned so purchased 2 1/2 tank of Peak and figured it would take most if not all of it…overfilled with maybe half of the 2 1/2 gallons used…FL to Iowa and back and normally 78-80 mph. Maybe City driving uses it differently.

Originally Posted by mustang281man

Received my $3590 check today