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11-13-2007, 08:30 AM
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I'm 57,been racing longer than you've been alive.
Port and polish ? make a 2ton luxo beat a 350rwhp 3100lb blown NSX, like I said he was sleeping or you were dreaming.Tell your dreams to tommygunn,or post the time slip.
Seat is taken,and my feet are well off the floor!
350 rwhp in an nsx is a sub 12.4 sec QM you post the slip with a sub 12.4 in your rare E500 and I will sit my mouth
I will venture a guess that a bone stock nsx with 5 second 0-60 will walk the E every day of the week.
back on subject tho,you tell us all how much you get for it come sale day.The guy who buys it will not give a can of beans for the mods,if that is what you are banking on to make up the 8grand.
ohlord
"GOT CODES?"
Port and polish ? make a 2ton luxo beat a 350rwhp 3100lb blown NSX, like I said he was sleeping or you were dreaming.Tell your dreams to tommygunn,or post the time slip.
Seat is taken,and my feet are well off the floor!
350 rwhp in an nsx is a sub 12.4 sec QM you post the slip with a sub 12.4 in your rare E500 and I will sit my mouth
I will venture a guess that a bone stock nsx with 5 second 0-60 will walk the E every day of the week.
back on subject tho,you tell us all how much you get for it come sale day.The guy who buys it will not give a can of beans for the mods,if that is what you are banking on to make up the 8grand.
ohlord
"GOT CODES?"
I'm 59 years old been racing since I was 16 and a bit successful on a semi-pro level.
Held SS/AA, SS/BA, SS/CA national records in the late sixties and early seventies with a factory lightweight max performance Dodge Hemi.
Graduated and did a bit of SVRA racing with a DB6 Aston Martin Vantage.
Messed a bit with Jaguar Mark II's in sedan racing when I spent a great deal of time in the UK.
Curenntly I own an 03 G55, 99 C43 AMG, 88 300CE twin turbo, and a 71 280SL.
None of my vehicles are "beaters", they would all be considered 2-2+ condition or 90+ point cars.
I recently installed a period twin turbo Turbotechnics kit on my 88 300 CE
M103-12V ( I purchased new in May of 88 for $53K ).
My little 3.0L SOHC I6 will smoke any 5.4 NA AMG V-8.
Running low to mid five second 60's in 90 degree ambient.
I think I qualify as your peer and then some !!!!
What is your experience with collector vehicles?
If you have any, you would know that a vehicle is worth what one is willing to pay for it.
We are talking a landmark vehicle in the 500E/E500 that is an appreciating asset.
Values of this rare W124 are lower in the USA at the moment then they are in Europe or the UK, where $25K-$30K is avarage price for a pristine example.
I've got a bit of experience with collector cars and have shown and judged many of my own in JCNA, AMOC, RROC, AACA, MBCA...
Forums have a specific purpose which is to share valuable info based on experience.
You have a member who is selling a vehicle.
If you are not interested, can't afford it, or whatever then why comment?
Common courtesy is something you seemed to have failed to learn in your 57 years...
So what "value" do you have in your "stable" ???
I showed you mine, let's see yours !!!
Ed A.
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11-13-2007, 09:24 AM
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an NSX is in the low 13's high 12's,he states he took a blown NSX with 349plus rear wheel H.P. which calcs out to 400plus at the flywheel in a 3100 lb slip of a car.We had a 57 belair track car of similar weight and numbers and ran 12.4's all day long so if that old box could do it I would easily put the NSX into that range or better.From a roll or from the dig,a ported and polished,ecu modded,cat backed,1994 E500 is not going to smoke a 349rwhp nsx.Unless** the guy was asleep.
http://www.dragtimes.com/Acura-NSX-Timeslip-6671.html
as an example stock nsx 12.90's at 107 I'll let you do the math as to what at least 100 more h.p. at the flywheel would be capable of in a 3100 lb.supercharged NSX
From time slips and known H.P. 400 h.p. at the flywheel with proper tires suspension set up etc. is going to put you in that mid 12 bracket at about 125mph at the traps.To do that in a car that weighs 4000 lb.(E500) will require 514h.p. at the flywheel.That in any book is 200 h.p. more then the E500 and I am certain a little port and polish job did not take it anywhere near that level.
Spend more time racing and you too will find out that you certainly can tell from a time slip when a cars powerband hits,and I can assure you a supercharged NSX form a roll at 30mph is full on it's powerband.
**unless as noted above
"GOT CALCULATIONS?"
YUP, 40 years of racing is not out of "thin air"
http://www.dragtimes.com/Acura-NSX-Timeslip-6671.html
as an example stock nsx 12.90's at 107 I'll let you do the math as to what at least 100 more h.p. at the flywheel would be capable of in a 3100 lb.supercharged NSX
From time slips and known H.P. 400 h.p. at the flywheel with proper tires suspension set up etc. is going to put you in that mid 12 bracket at about 125mph at the traps.To do that in a car that weighs 4000 lb.(E500) will require 514h.p. at the flywheel.That in any book is 200 h.p. more then the E500 and I am certain a little port and polish job did not take it anywhere near that level.
Spend more time racing and you too will find out that you certainly can tell from a time slip when a cars powerband hits,and I can assure you a supercharged NSX form a roll at 30mph is full on it's powerband.
**unless as noted above
"GOT CALCULATIONS?"
YUP, 40 years of racing is not out of "thin air"
so basically no, you don't, you just threw 8 different things together in a pot, stirred it up, and that's the number that fell out. down to the tenth of a second.
"GOT TIME TO GO CHECK IF YOUR SPRING PERCHES HAVE RUSTED THROUGH YET?"
11-13-2007, 09:49 AM
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or have owned?If you want the latter the list would go on for longer than my space to upload pics.Qualifications?Judging shows?What the heck does that have to do with knowing the market of a used E500?And yes I have judged shows also.
List of some cars owned at times includes but not limited to
1932 ford
1934ford
1962 vette
1957 vette
1957 210 chev
1957 belair conv.
1957 2 door post belair
1957 jag drop head with 289 cobra engine
1969 charger
1952 facel vega
list goes on
If anyone feels that a toe has been stepped on because I put in a comment about current pricing on this fine model,I am sorry.
If you have been racing as long as you claim,you know why the rebuttal to the other claim.
What we have here is a bunch of people that paid to much in the first place,trying to justify to high a selling price on a car that is sinking in value as we speak.It is not increasing.Even if you find the rare collector,they are offering far less than what you think it is worth based on what was paid.Reality bites! Live with it.
List of some cars owned at times includes but not limited to
1932 ford
1934ford
1962 vette
1957 vette
1957 210 chev
1957 belair conv.
1957 2 door post belair
1957 jag drop head with 289 cobra engine
1969 charger
1952 facel vega
list goes on
If anyone feels that a toe has been stepped on because I put in a comment about current pricing on this fine model,I am sorry.
If you have been racing as long as you claim,you know why the rebuttal to the other claim.
What we have here is a bunch of people that paid to much in the first place,trying to justify to high a selling price on a car that is sinking in value as we speak.It is not increasing.Even if you find the rare collector,they are offering far less than what you think it is worth based on what was paid.Reality bites! Live with it.
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11-13-2007, 10:10 AM
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Was it not you who introduced the extraneous subject of "racing" , "NSX's" and other trash????
Common sense would lean toward showing and judging concours as a more adept means of understanding and determining value of a limited production vehicle.
And yes I have judged shows also.
List of some cars owned at times includes but not limited to
1932 ford
1934ford
1962 vette
1957 vette
1957 210 chev
1957 belair conv.
1957 2 door post belair
1957 jag drop head with 289 cobra engine
1969 charger
1952 facel vega
List of some cars owned at times includes but not limited to
1932 ford
1934ford
1962 vette
1957 vette
1957 210 chev
1957 belair conv.
1957 2 door post belair
1957 jag drop head with 289 cobra engine
1969 charger
1952 facel vega
If anyone feels that a toe has been stepped on because I put in a comment about current pricing on this fine model,I am sorry.
If you have been racing as long as you claim,you know why the rebuttal to the other claim.
If you have been racing as long as you claim,you know why the rebuttal to the other claim.
I didn't "claim" to be a "racer" as I was one and posted my best performing examples...
You're making the "claims" and not backing a thing up....
This thread is about a member trying to sell his vehicle...
As I posted to you earlier, if you're not in agreement with his asking price then who are you to set a "market" price considering your lack of Merc experience.
Let the market determine what it is worth....
Would you believe Bernie Ecclestone's 230SL just sold at auction in the UK last week for $164K ?
You'd probably value it at $20K ???
Look at what the Japanese market gets for landmark Mercs....
You are failing to grasp the concept that the majority of buyers of collector vehicles are coming from Europe and Japan due to a favorable currency...
Even Canucks like Zorro have an advantage....
If you can't say something nice, then best not to be arrogant and live and let live....
11-13-2007, 10:16 AM
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or have owned?If you want the latter the list would go on for longer than my space to upload pics.Qualifications?Judging shows?What the heck does that have to do with knowing the market of a used E500?And yes I have judged shows also.
List of some cars owned at times includes but not limited to
1932 ford
1934ford
1962 vette
1957 vette
1957 210 chev
1957 belair conv.
1957 2 door post belair
1957 jag drop head with 289 cobra engine
1969 charger
1952 facel vega
list goes on
List of some cars owned at times includes but not limited to
1932 ford
1934ford
1962 vette
1957 vette
1957 210 chev
1957 belair conv.
1957 2 door post belair
1957 jag drop head with 289 cobra engine
1969 charger
1952 facel vega
list goes on
You must have been very special and had an inside line to Daninos
Why
because the FV wasn't introduced until 1954 at the Paris Salon.....
Sure it wasn't a Simca???
If you're going to be "uber" critical then you must be impeccable....
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11-13-2007, 11:10 AM
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did i mention that the NSX i raced was my BEST FRIENDS? ive posted pix of his black NSX, if you dont belive me go over to NSXPRIME and ask there. u guys need to seriously relax.
and for a 57yo you sure dont know when to just stop your fingers from typing. hey, if you dont want my $20K car, A) dont post in my thread, B) STFU.
thats all i have to say.
Mark
and for a 57yo you sure dont know when to just stop your fingers from typing. hey, if you dont want my $20K car, A) dont post in my thread, B) STFU.
thats all i have to say.
Mark
11-13-2007, 11:17 AM
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I am a new member and actually do not even own a Mercedes yet. I am going to buy one and that is why I am here, but I am a drag racer with a low 9 sec race car. If anyone really wants to see what their 1/4 miles times are, try the calculator below. It is actually pretty accurate. The NSX with 350 RWHP and 3100 lbs and 20% power loss is about 435 at the crank. That computes to 11.21 @ 119 assuming good traction and a good driver.
http://www.wallaceracing.com/et-hp-mph.php
http://www.wallaceracing.com/et-hp-mph.php
11-13-2007, 11:20 AM
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I am a new member and actually do not even own a Mercedes yet. I am going to buy one and that is why I am here, but I am a drag racer with a low 9 sec race car. If anyone really wants to see what their 1/4 miles times are, try the calculator below. It is actually pretty accurate. The NSX with 350 RWHP and 3100 lbs and 20% power loss is about 435 at the crank. That computes to 11.21 @ 119 assuming good traction and a good driver.
http://www.wallaceracing.com/et-hp-mph.php
http://www.wallaceracing.com/et-hp-mph.php
and this thread is NOT about the race. its about the car.
thanks for the link tho.
11-13-2007, 11:32 AM
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I do not doubt that the modded 500E could beat a NSX on a 30 mph roll on. As to the comments about porting a head not doing that much, I totally dis agree. Depending on the heads you could easily pick up 70-80 hp from a good port job with corresponding mods to accommodate the added flow from the heads.
11-13-2007, 11:43 AM
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Mark I hope you dont mind, here's a little help to push the sale.
Nice Dice stem caps
EDIT: ZEDDIE MONSTER, that Spring Perch joke had me on my A$$ laughing! Not cool man!
Nice Dice stem caps
EDIT: ZEDDIE MONSTER, that Spring Perch joke had me on my A$$ laughing! Not cool man!
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11-13-2007, 12:10 PM
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That's a supercharged 350 rwhp NSX,the friend was sleeping or b.s.ing about his power,or do you have no doubt that he can take a car with 100 more horse power tons of more torque and 900 lbs lighter?
case closed
70-80 hp on a port job of an already admitted highly modified factory race developed porsche tuned mercedes?Please pack that up in the same bag as the guy comparing the 230sl with 113miles on it to the E500.
case closed
70-80 hp on a port job of an already admitted highly modified factory race developed porsche tuned mercedes?Please pack that up in the same bag as the guy comparing the 230sl with 113miles on it to the E500.
as for the heads, they got shipped out for 6 months to a world famous hot-rod guy in the south, cant remember his name, but my E500 was in some magizine when it was done. so she wasnt some rickity half assed job. lol
want to still argue about events, and things that you wernt apart of? please be my guest, i have a two hour class that im bored in right now.
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11-13-2007, 12:11 PM
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I am a new member and actually do not even own a Mercedes yet. I am going to buy one and that is why I am here, but I am a drag racer with a low 9 sec race car. If anyone really wants to see what their 1/4 miles times are, try the calculator below. It is actually pretty accurate. The NSX with 350 RWHP and 3100 lbs and 20% power loss is about 435 at the crank. That computes to 11.21 @ 119 assuming good traction and a good driver.
http://www.wallaceracing.com/et-hp-mph.php
http://www.wallaceracing.com/et-hp-mph.php
Let's compare the NSX to a 2006 C6 A6 Corvette ( which I recently traded for a 71 280SL ) which also weighs about 3100lbs.
Rated @ 400HP the C6 will pull on an inertia dyno around 345-360 RWP depending on how good the factory tune is.
Real world best you'll see is mid twelves and 116MPH......a far cry from what the calculator indicates for a vehicle with similar power/weight ratio.
11-13-2007, 12:12 PM
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i havnt taken any real good shots of the E5 in a while, i have to get her back out there.
Mark
11-13-2007, 12:24 PM
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Like I said on the calculator, assuming traction and good driver. I have seen new Z06's at the track that can't get out of the low 13's/ high 12's. You are preaching to the choir about drag racing. I can't believe this thread about selling a car has turned into a attack on his car. BTW nice friggin E500. If porting heads only gives minimal results alot of people are wasting alot of money. I also see nothing about a highly modded race engine on the E500 engine description, it states a different intake with longer runners so yes I am sure with mods to accompany the head porting 70 hp increase is not out of the question. My car at the Division finals. 9.32 at 147 mph.
11-13-2007, 12:41 PM
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Like I said on the calculator, assuming traction and good driver. I have seen new Z06's at the track that can't get out of the low 13's/ high 12's. You are preaching to the choir about drag racing. I can't believe this thread about selling a car has turned into a attack on his car. BTW nice friggin E500. If porting heads only gives minimal results alot of people are wasting alot of money. I also see nothing about a highly modded race engine on the E500 engine description, it states a different intake with longer runners so yes I am sure with mods to accompany the head porting 70 hp increase is not out of the question. My car at the Division finals. 9.32 at 147 mph.
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11-13-2007, 12:59 PM
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OHLORD....
You truly miss the point .
I've read some of your posts and it's interesting that you have a penchant of hi jacking by inserting your CV.
You have deemed yourself an expert of all things Mercedes.
Sad that your ego is so frail that you must resort to frequent puffery.....
There is always someone who has achieved and knows more then you...
Here are a few of your self serving arrogant comments...
Regretfully this time you were called on your comment and your charade was duly exposed !!!
Seems that you're still living in your "happy days" past for you aren't able to show what you have now...
It's all about you....so very sad that you feel you must explain yourself to get any attention.
Retired at 52
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now 57,have the means to do what I please.Spending money on wires at 100k miles is not one of them,even honest mercedes techs will tell you the wires last if taken care of.
The link to the air sensors insert is from me to you guys,not because I'm cheap,I just shop wisely.
ohlord
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And have turned wrenches for 40 years as a hobby.Race cars, hot rods ,customs,sports cars, dragsters.So when the subject of plugs came up,I tossed in my views on wires
You truly miss the point .
I've read some of your posts and it's interesting that you have a penchant of hi jacking by inserting your CV.
You have deemed yourself an expert of all things Mercedes.
Sad that your ego is so frail that you must resort to frequent puffery.....
There is always someone who has achieved and knows more then you...
Here are a few of your self serving arrogant comments...
Regretfully this time you were called on your comment and your charade was duly exposed !!!
Seems that you're still living in your "happy days" past for you aren't able to show what you have now...
It's all about you....so very sad that you feel you must explain yourself to get any attention.
Sorry
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If a little education is rude and condescending I will not give it,I thought you asked for the perfect fit to avoid rubbing.I have 40 years of experience in tires,fitments on race cars and every sort of performance car. I will leave you to decide for yourself.As to the 1010 site if you can't take a ruler and figure out the proper offset from the directions and diagrams,you need someone to do it for you.Now that was condescending
ohlord
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If a little education is rude and condescending I will not give it,I thought you asked for the perfect fit to avoid rubbing.I have 40 years of experience in tires,fitments on race cars and every sort of performance car. I will leave you to decide for yourself.As to the 1010 site if you can't take a ruler and figure out the proper offset from the directions and diagrams,you need someone to do it for you.Now that was condescending
ohlord
Retired at 52
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now 57,have the means to do what I please.Spending money on wires at 100k miles is not one of them,even honest mercedes techs will tell you the wires last if taken care of.
The link to the air sensors insert is from me to you guys,not because I'm cheap,I just shop wisely.
ohlord
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And have turned wrenches for 40 years as a hobby.Race cars, hot rods ,customs,sports cars, dragsters.So when the subject of plugs came up,I tossed in my views on wires
Nope
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Kicked his butt to the curb without even having to get the old wagon and it's collection of spare parts warmed up.
I have lived on the west coast for 37 years,before that I was born and raised in his neck of the woods.Street racing and going to the drags were what I lived on as a teen,and I mean that literally,we raced to live,and lived to race.So you learned quickly how to deal with the tommy's of the street,get so far under their skin they could never win,even if they had the faster car,which this kid I assure you does not.
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Kicked his butt to the curb without even having to get the old wagon and it's collection of spare parts warmed up.
I have lived on the west coast for 37 years,before that I was born and raised in his neck of the woods.Street racing and going to the drags were what I lived on as a teen,and I mean that literally,we raced to live,and lived to race.So you learned quickly how to deal with the tommy's of the street,get so far under their skin they could never win,even if they had the faster car,which this kid I assure you does not.
11-13-2007, 01:10 PM
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Like I said on the calculator, assuming traction and good driver. I have seen new Z06's at the track that can't get out of the low 13's/ high 12's. You are preaching to the choir about drag racing. I can't believe this thread about selling a car has turned into a attack on his car. BTW nice friggin E500. If porting heads only gives minimal results alot of people are wasting alot of money. I also see nothing about a highly modded race engine on the E500 engine description, it states a different intake with longer runners so yes I am sure with mods to accompany the head porting 70 hp increase is not out of the question. My car at the Division finals. 9.32 at 147 mph.
Some individuals as "OHLord" must be the center of attention and try to command or hi jack the thread.
The OP has a very nice 500E, which is an appreciating asset.
OhLord wants everything on the cheap and that's why he has nothing valuable to speak of...
Those that can do....those that can't talk about it...
Nice numbers on you drag car...
I've been away from the 1/4 since the late seventies.
Used to run in the NHRA NED1 All Star Super Stock circuit.
Ran factory cars under a dealer ship and Steve Kanuika Speed Shop out of suburban Philadelphia. Kanuika was where the late Jungle Jim Lieberman ran out of.
Grew up with the Jenkins /Stahl / Stiles contingency and learned a great deal from them !!!
Mercs can be made to create a great deal of power...
The M103-12V/M104-24V is more akin to the small block Chevy.
The M117 is much like the 409 Chevy.
The 5.4L AMG's could be seen as the 427 Chevy.
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11-13-2007, 01:51 PM
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lists some of the has nows,living in the present and quite enjoying it,thank you.
As to an appreciating asset. he is down to 16's on ebay from the buy it now price posted here yesterday of 18k plus,so I think you have your terminology mixed up.
Up early and at the track,every track day we can book.That is not happy days that is present day.Did not hijack the thread by bringing in a comment about pricing that everyone got so defensive about.
I think someplace he states what he paid for the E500 at 70tho miles if my old mind remembers correctly it was north of 25 grand,it's down to 16k or lower,and you take issue with the facts!!It never was an attack on his car it was a question to the price.He took it elsewhere with the performance claims,and even uses it as a selling point(Beats Porsches)in his ad.
Puffery?simple facts brought in when questioned about my knowledge base.
inbox is chock full from members questions that know I can help them out.
Find out what he sold it for,if he accepted the sub 16 offer.
As to an appreciating asset. he is down to 16's on ebay from the buy it now price posted here yesterday of 18k plus,so I think you have your terminology mixed up.
Up early and at the track,every track day we can book.That is not happy days that is present day.Did not hijack the thread by bringing in a comment about pricing that everyone got so defensive about.
I think someplace he states what he paid for the E500 at 70tho miles if my old mind remembers correctly it was north of 25 grand,it's down to 16k or lower,and you take issue with the facts!!It never was an attack on his car it was a question to the price.He took it elsewhere with the performance claims,and even uses it as a selling point(Beats Porsches)in his ad.
Puffery?simple facts brought in when questioned about my knowledge base.
inbox is chock full from members questions that know I can help them out.
Find out what he sold it for,if he accepted the sub 16 offer.
11-13-2007, 02:02 PM
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"Dear Aunty Ohlord,
How can i be super annoying and not know *****, and act like a know-it-all in forums where I know nothing about the cars or members? also, any help with disrupting other people's for-sale threads and an irritating tag line I can put after every post would be great!
Thanks!"
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