Can I use conventional oil in my 1999 E320?
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Can I use conventional oil in my 1999 E320?
New Mercedes E320 owner and forum member here. I just bought the car and read the owner's manual. It says use whatever your MB dealer suggests! I've learned about the FSS 10K oil change with synthetic oil/fleece filter. However, can I use a good quality conventional oil/paper oil filter like I've always used on all my cars? If so, what weight do you recommend? The car will be garaged here in NJ and used 2-3 times a week. I would plan on changing the oil every six months/5,000 miles or less with conventional oil.
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Use
mobil 1 0w40 syn and the proper fleece filter from autohausaz.com the fss is engineered around the syn oil properties,molecular chain size,anti sluge,cleaning makeup.The cylinder walls are low friction ,the gaskets were designed around the mb spec syn oil.
Use it to keep the engine happy, and so I can sleep at night
ohlord
make sure you get it up to speed and fully warmed up at least weekly to prolong the life of the cats and other parts that fall prey to sitting unused.
Use it to keep the engine happy, and so I can sleep at night
ohlord
make sure you get it up to speed and fully warmed up at least weekly to prolong the life of the cats and other parts that fall prey to sitting unused.
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i dunno....you're arguing the potential savings by using less expensive parts/
items, yet replenishing them 2+x more frequent. i'd suggest that you cost out
your supplies and see what the figures tell you if, given best cost for each,
what your value will be.
i can get Mobil 1 for about $4 or so, per liter. i buy OEM oil filter for about $10+.
factor in the arguably cleaner qualities and lubricity (any MPG gains here?), I
figure it's a wash, since my FSS is telling me about 10-12k between changes.
items, yet replenishing them 2+x more frequent. i'd suggest that you cost out
your supplies and see what the figures tell you if, given best cost for each,
what your value will be.
i can get Mobil 1 for about $4 or so, per liter. i buy OEM oil filter for about $10+.
factor in the arguably cleaner qualities and lubricity (any MPG gains here?), I
figure it's a wash, since my FSS is telling me about 10-12k between changes.
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[QUOTE=ohlord;2751397]mobil 1 0w40 syn and the proper fleece filter from autohausaz.com the fss is engineered around the syn oil properties,molecular chain size,anti sluge,cleaning makeup.The cylinder walls are low friction ,the gaskets were designed around the mb spec syn oil.
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The cheapest oil and filter is the one that meets the specification by the manufacturer. All others that don't meet this spec have the potential to cost much more so why not just use mobil 1 0w40 syn and the proper fleece filter .
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The cheapest oil and filter is the one that meets the specification by the manufacturer. All others that don't meet this spec have the potential to cost much more so why not just use mobil 1 0w40 syn and the proper fleece filter .
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just
pull the filter and change it.Top off the oil that gets discarded with the stp filter.
oem filters at autohausaz.com
oem filters at autohausaz.com
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For piece of mind and longevity I change the oil in all my cars @ 5000 miles with mobil 1, inside of engine is like new even my 2.3-16v with 132k miles. I've seen opened engines that had been serviced with synthetic oils at the service interval that MB recomends and they look good with slight brown haze on parts. I belive that those intervals would be great for highway use with very low stop and go traffic. Oil to engines is like blood for the heart, keep it clean and it folws properly, clogg it up.....watch and listen to things going bad! The next post to come from those who don't want to change oil will be "Has anyone had any problems with high oil consumption?" or " why is my engine making a ticking noise?" or "MB can't build an engine that lasts". Sorry, just got carried away. If you can't afford to service a product per manufacture recomendations don't buy it.
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???????
The fss interval is 10-12k miles computed by the sensors that measure conductivity ,driving style,driving cycles,miles,cold starts and more.Why you would want to **** away perfectly good synthetic oil is beyond me.At 115000 miles with nothing but proper oil and filter and fss intervals my engine is so smooth I can hear my watch ticking at 75mph.
Dump your oil every 5k if you want but you are dumping 50 bucks for absolutely no reason.
ohlord
BTW that's the only ticking I hear
Dump your oil every 5k if you want but you are dumping 50 bucks for absolutely no reason.
ohlordBTW that's the only ticking I hear
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This is an age-old argument with no clear proof one way or the other.
However,
The oil companies burned into everyone's minds that changes should be every 3-5k miles. Jiffy lube and the like have capitalized on that for decades. Both obviously want to sell more oil changes, right?
The engineers at MB have apparently spent quite a bit of brain power calculating the FSS intervals using the oil they recommend.
I think the mindset of dumping 8.5 quarts (an important point, in itself, as typical American engines took half that) prematurely is strongly held over by marketing.
However,
The oil companies burned into everyone's minds that changes should be every 3-5k miles. Jiffy lube and the like have capitalized on that for decades. Both obviously want to sell more oil changes, right?
The engineers at MB have apparently spent quite a bit of brain power calculating the FSS intervals using the oil they recommend.
I think the mindset of dumping 8.5 quarts (an important point, in itself, as typical American engines took half that) prematurely is strongly held over by marketing.
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This is an age-old argument with no clear proof one way or the other.
However,
The oil companies burned into everyone's minds that changes should be every 3-5k miles. Jiffy lube and the like have capitalized on that for decades. Both obviously want to sell more oil changes, right?
The engineers at MB have apparently spent quite a bit of brain power calculating the FSS intervals using the oil they recommend.
I think the mindset of dumping 8.5 quarts (an important point, in itself, as typical American engines took half that) prematurely is strongly held over by marketing.
However,
The oil companies burned into everyone's minds that changes should be every 3-5k miles. Jiffy lube and the like have capitalized on that for decades. Both obviously want to sell more oil changes, right?
The engineers at MB have apparently spent quite a bit of brain power calculating the FSS intervals using the oil they recommend.
I think the mindset of dumping 8.5 quarts (an important point, in itself, as typical American engines took half that) prematurely is strongly held over by marketing.
If you can't afford synthetic motor oil you shouldn't drive the car IMO.
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Remember that little Class Action settlement that resulted in oil sludge developing in the FSS equipped cars because regular DINO oil was used and not synthetic. Synthetic isnt myth, its a reality.
If you can't afford synthetic motor oil you shouldn't drive the car IMO.
If you can't afford synthetic motor oil you shouldn't drive the car IMO.
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99 E320 4motion wagon. I have no problem with the synthetic Mobil1 0-40. I bought some Castrol synthetic THEN checked with MBZ, and they said don't do it. I returned the Castrol and bought Mobil1. My owners manual says the oil capacity is 8.5 quarts, but I put in 7, and the dipstick and dash indicate full. MY 95 E320 took 7. I bought a Purolator Premium filter. Is that OK?
And..Owners manual says the tranny is sealed and needs no service unless it leaks. Is that so? Thanks to all of you MBZ experts For the advice.
And..Owners manual says the tranny is sealed and needs no service unless it leaks. Is that so? Thanks to all of you MBZ experts For the advice.
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Fleece
filter is the only filter compatible with the fss extended oil changes.
www.autohausaz.com
for parts
fluid for life has been changed and now mb says at 60k miles or so.
I sell the dipstick for $40 delivered and autohausaz.com has the fluid.
Diy on benzworld.org and mercedesshop.com 722.6 transmission
most diy's on benzworld.org or mercedesshop.com
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www.autohausaz.com
for parts
fluid for life has been changed and now mb says at 60k miles or so.
I sell the dipstick for $40 delivered and autohausaz.com has the fluid.
Diy on benzworld.org and mercedesshop.com 722.6 transmission
most diy's on benzworld.org or mercedesshop.com
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the quality one and if off just a half inch it can mean a short life for the trans.
live and learn
the one I sell is the list $78 sells for $55 plus shipping from mercedesshop.com if you want to get the take a chance stick from ebay you may also be interested in the maf's they sell,I wish you well.
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live and learn
the one I sell is the list $78 sells for $55 plus shipping from mercedesshop.com if you want to get the take a chance stick from ebay you may also be interested in the maf's they sell,I wish you well.
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quality? Its spiral wound steel with plastic ends. You don't think any decent tool manufacturer can't replicate the proper length?
Its not exactly like the sensitive electronics in a MAF, but whatever.
I've used the Ebay tool, worked like a champ, and I paid less than half of what you're charging.
Its not exactly like the sensitive electronics in a MAF, but whatever.
I've used the Ebay tool, worked like a champ, and I paid less than half of what you're charging.
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Good for
you.I have also seen the ebay ones be off in length over 3/4 of an inch.All I am saying is buyer beware.Just as with the maf purchases it is a crap shoot on ebay that I choose not to take party in.
BTW people choose to use Snapon and some people buy crapon.I can usually tell what's in someone's tool box by their attitude on ebay deals.
Do the ebay tools also come with emailed tips,guidance,suggestions for getting the job done,what to watch out for,proper up to date fluid level recommendations?
To each his own.
ohlord
BTW people choose to use Snapon and some people buy crapon.I can usually tell what's in someone's tool box by their attitude on ebay deals.
Do the ebay tools also come with emailed tips,guidance,suggestions for getting the job done,what to watch out for,proper up to date fluid level recommendations?
To each his own.
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Speaking of MAFs Ohlord, I was trying to price one out for a member the other day for a 96 E-class, and the MB price was something silly...over $400 list, so we looked up Bosch, which is really the OEM under the label. It turns out that there are faked Chinese knockoffs that look just like the Bosch label for about 1/3rd MB's price. Shop owners who specialize in MB repair are telling me they will not sell the cheap ones because of all of the random CELs that get thrown up (which means pissed off customers).
The Ebay MAFs are definitely a crap shoot.
The Ebay MAFs are definitely a crap shoot.
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maf 160-190 at autohausaz.com and free shipping.Or clean it first with the crc maf cleaner.Those chinese knock offs with the bosch labels come in by the container load for something like 17 bucks apiece and then they mark em up $100-200 and sell them to unsuspecting buyers that purchase other cheap fakes off of ebay
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maf 160-190 at autohausaz.com and free shipping.Or clean it first with the crc maf cleaner.Those chinese knock offs with the bosch labels come in by the container load for something like 17 bucks apiece and then they mark em up $100-200 and sell them to unsuspecting buyers that purchase other cheap fakes off of ebay
ohlord
ohlordAnyone have a part number for the W210 (either 6 or 8 cylinder)? I look up what a real one would cost us through my sources.
