Why are MB vehicles so (too??) expensive? And, no, this is not a "troll" post. (more)
11-29-2005, 05:10 PM
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By the way Frugal1, I had a 96 tl for 5 years in my younger days. That thing felt like new right up to 165000 miles, and I still sold it for 5 k 
You can't beat those cars on the value scale!
You can't beat those cars on the value scale!
11-29-2005, 07:49 PM
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[QUOTE=CE750]
Actually I have... and the only place I find the Lexus to excell is the IS300 over the C350.. and even then it's marginal.
The S>LS - the 2007 promises to even impress more.
The E>ES
especially in two areas... driving experience, and safety..
It seems to me that during my vacation time, you still can't come up with valid point.
One, a new LS is on its way for 2007. That base 4.6L engine will be more efficient and just as powerful as the new S 5.5 V8. For the 1st time, a hybrid will also be available on the LS (again missing on the S). Since neither car are available right now, to discuss this is mute point.
two, the ES competes with the C-class not the E-class.
The E compete with GS. Which GS has already beat in all comparison tests thus far. Plus GS did not debut new engine just yet due to stupid lexus marketing decision. The GS350 and GS460 are just around the corner.
As far as ES and C goes. Both new version are due within one to two years.
Again another pointless thread.
Toyota's 500HP N/A 5.0L V10 is also around the corner. And should debut within 2 years, which i believe will be more efficient than upcoming AMG 6.3L motor.
In about 10 years, Korean would also be very competitive. In addition, both Japanese and Korean are better than their german counterpart in electronics and quality control. With cars getting more complicated and packed with electronics, german will have a hard time competeting if the trend continues.
The new S is a good 1st step in the right direction. But competition is not standing around. The LS is debuting soon with a much smaller and just as powerful V8, optional hybrid, and possible V10 to compete with AMG/M. Lexus is not stupid.
However, to a lot of ego here, anything that other does well is deemed a myth.
Originally Posted by rjm
Actually I have... and the only place I find the Lexus to excell is the IS300 over the C350.. and even then it's marginal.
The S>LS - the 2007 promises to even impress more.
The E>ES
especially in two areas... driving experience, and safety..
One, a new LS is on its way for 2007. That base 4.6L engine will be more efficient and just as powerful as the new S 5.5 V8. For the 1st time, a hybrid will also be available on the LS (again missing on the S). Since neither car are available right now, to discuss this is mute point.
two, the ES competes with the C-class not the E-class.
The E compete with GS. Which GS has already beat in all comparison tests thus far. Plus GS did not debut new engine just yet due to stupid lexus marketing decision. The GS350 and GS460 are just around the corner.
As far as ES and C goes. Both new version are due within one to two years.
Again another pointless thread.
Toyota's 500HP N/A 5.0L V10 is also around the corner. And should debut within 2 years, which i believe will be more efficient than upcoming AMG 6.3L motor.
In about 10 years, Korean would also be very competitive. In addition, both Japanese and Korean are better than their german counterpart in electronics and quality control. With cars getting more complicated and packed with electronics, german will have a hard time competeting if the trend continues.
The new S is a good 1st step in the right direction. But competition is not standing around. The LS is debuting soon with a much smaller and just as powerful V8, optional hybrid, and possible V10 to compete with AMG/M. Lexus is not stupid.
However, to a lot of ego here, anything that other does well is deemed a myth.
11-29-2005, 08:24 PM
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Amazing how this thread turned out to be another MB vs Lexus, etc. thread. In my humble opinion however, Rolex does not make the finest timepieces 
in the world, but they are very durable and the company did in fact pioneer the oyster clamp design. The finest watch maker honor should go to Patek Philippe, Girard Perregaux, Jaeger LeCoultre, or Breguet. Mind you that none of these watches, whether they use a tourbillon design, can top the accuracy of a 99 cents junk you can get with a happy meal 
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Kudos to all brand lovers!
in the world, but they are very durable and the company did in fact pioneer the oyster clamp design. The finest watch maker honor should go to Patek Philippe, Girard Perregaux, Jaeger LeCoultre, or Breguet. Mind you that none of these watches, whether they use a tourbillon design, can top the accuracy of a 99 cents junk you can get with a happy meal . Kudos to all brand lovers!
11-29-2005, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by naadp
I think part of the reason you see 25 year old benzes driving around is because people just take better care of them to begin with because they're a much more special car from the start. Just about any car can look good if it's taken care of, but most cars become disposable after they're about 5 years old.
What I find very interesting is that if you go on MB's site, they have a 16 year model history. A new E500 is about 60k and a 1992 E500 was about 80k. According to the inflation calculator http://www.westegg.com/inflation/ : What cost $80000 in 1991 would cost $112890.96 in 2005. So, really when you think about it, the price has gone DOWN about 50% on an E-class.
What I find very interesting is that if you go on MB's site, they have a 16 year model history. A new E500 is about 60k and a 1992 E500 was about 80k. According to the inflation calculator http://www.westegg.com/inflation/ : What cost $80000 in 1991 would cost $112890.96 in 2005. So, really when you think about it, the price has gone DOWN about 50% on an E-class.
The E500 in 1992 was a special build car in limited qty by 3rd party (i believe is porsche). It was designed to sit above all E-class. In other words, it is the equivalent of E55 today. Based on equipment, the real price has only decreased about 18%.
A fair comparison would have been the original 300E, which i believe started at $49k, which is $67k in today's money. The 2005 E320 MSRP base is $49,220. Therefore the cost reduction was around 30%. But there is a catch. Back in 1992 the competition was not as fierce as it was today. The invoice on the 300E was $40k. In other words, from invoice point of view. The 1992 300E invoice at today's money is a mere $53k. The invoice of 2005 E320 (disc. end of 2004) was $46k. In other word, from invoice the actual cost decrease was 13% at max.
No car company will be able to survive a 50% in real cost reduction.
11-29-2005, 08:32 PM
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[QUOTE=CE750]
The S>LS - the 2007 promises to even impress more.
The E>ES
especially in two areas... driving experience, and safety..
I would hope the E>ES - it had better be for 20K more. The GS is more directly comparable.
You've made this comparison before and I didn't really understand it...
The ES is a low 30K car...
And the IS350 >>>> any C class except for the C55
Originally Posted by rjm
The S>LS - the 2007 promises to even impress more.
The E>ES
especially in two areas... driving experience, and safety..
You've made this comparison before and I didn't really understand it...
The ES is a low 30K car...
And the IS350 >>>> any C class except for the C55
11-29-2005, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by krispykrme
wrong on this.
The E500 in 1992 was a special build car in limited qty by 3rd party (i believe is porsche). It was designed to sit above all E-class. In other words, it is the equivalent of E55 today. Based on equipment, the real price has only decreased about 18%.
A fair comparison would have been the original 300E, which i believe started at $49k, which is $67k in today's money. The 2005 E320 MSRP base is $49,220. Therefore the cost reduction was around 30%. But there is a catch. Back in 1992 the competition was not as fierce as it was today. The invoice on the 300E was $40k. In other words, from invoice point of view. The 1992 300E invoice at today's money is a mere $53k. The invoice of 2005 E320 (disc. end of 2004) was $46k. In other word, from invoice the actual cost decrease was 13% at max.
No car company will be able to survive a 50% in real cost reduction.
The E500 in 1992 was a special build car in limited qty by 3rd party (i believe is porsche). It was designed to sit above all E-class. In other words, it is the equivalent of E55 today. Based on equipment, the real price has only decreased about 18%.
A fair comparison would have been the original 300E, which i believe started at $49k, which is $67k in today's money. The 2005 E320 MSRP base is $49,220. Therefore the cost reduction was around 30%. But there is a catch. Back in 1992 the competition was not as fierce as it was today. The invoice on the 300E was $40k. In other words, from invoice point of view. The 1992 300E invoice at today's money is a mere $53k. The invoice of 2005 E320 (disc. end of 2004) was $46k. In other word, from invoice the actual cost decrease was 13% at max.
No car company will be able to survive a 50% in real cost reduction.
Bottom line is the car is cheaper today than it was 15-20 years ago... Please inform me of another "family" sedan that has done this.
11-29-2005, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by sprink49
OK... I'll stick mine in this for a bit. I am a Mechanical Engineer and am familiar with structural isuues such as dynamic torsional and tensile strength as well as torsional geometric force. Over time, these forces are acting upon all parts and systems in an automobile. The failure of automobiles with inferior design and engineering in these areas will inevetably fail prematurely.
At the end of the day only MB, BMW, Audi, Volvo and a few of the Bentlys and VW products excell in these engineering areas. Go to a salvage yard and look at cars that have been in total loss accidents and look at the "bones" of the cars. Toyotas/Lexus and Nissan/Infinity don't have the fundamental engineering that the German cars do.
The German cars have structural superiority in these areas of engineering that don't allow these aforementioned forces to act upon them as readily or have as much long term negative effect as others do.
Believe me...we get what we pay for in a better all around piece of equipment.
At the end of the day only MB, BMW, Audi, Volvo and a few of the Bentlys and VW products excell in these engineering areas. Go to a salvage yard and look at cars that have been in total loss accidents and look at the "bones" of the cars. Toyotas/Lexus and Nissan/Infinity don't have the fundamental engineering that the German cars do.
The German cars have structural superiority in these areas of engineering that don't allow these aforementioned forces to act upon them as readily or have as much long term negative effect as others do.
Believe me...we get what we pay for in a better all around piece of equipment.
Since you proclaim to be a mechanical engineer, so explain away.
(picture is worth a thousand word).
link of W210
BTW, it took MB three years until the W210 mid-life update in 2000 before it fixed the structure problem with the W210.
Again reality is always different than what you blindly believes.
11-29-2005, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by HELL ONA HARLEY
Bottom line is the car is cheaper today than it was 15-20 years ago... Please inform me of another "family" sedan that has done this.
Family cars has always been for the masses and the real cost reduction is quiet low because the margins are low.
I am simply pointing out that to claim MB has reduced real cost by over 50% is ridiculous and totoally wrong.
Also at $49k sticker for 1992 300E is hardly pricing for a typical american family car at that time.
11-29-2005, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by sprink49
My God...you guys are brutal...
how about explaining this?
Each accident is under different circumstance. I can make any blind conclusion from any accident if i choose to.
Based on your logic, should we now conclude that W211 is totally unsafe based on this picture?
As an engineer i was taught that conclusion can only be driven when you can statistically prove that results you achieved under identical situation can be proved again and again. Don't know what did your school taught you. But so far from your post the basis of any scientific background is utterly lacking.
To use none controlled situation to derive a conclusion is about as accurate as a blind man's hand writting.
11-29-2005, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by krispykrme
blah, blah.
how about explaining this?
Each accident is under different circumstance. I can make any blind conclusion from any accident if i choose to.
Based on your logic, should we now conclude that W211 is totally unsafe based on this picture?
As an engineer i was taught that conclusion can only be driven when you can statistically prove that results you achieved under identical situation can be proved again and again. Don't know what did your school taught you. But so far from your post the basis of any scientific background is utterly lacking.
To use none controlled situation to derive a conclusion is about as accurate as a blind man's hand writting.
how about explaining this?
Each accident is under different circumstance. I can make any blind conclusion from any accident if i choose to.
Based on your logic, should we now conclude that W211 is totally unsafe based on this picture?
As an engineer i was taught that conclusion can only be driven when you can statistically prove that results you achieved under identical situation can be proved again and again. Don't know what did your school taught you. But so far from your post the basis of any scientific background is utterly lacking.
To use none controlled situation to derive a conclusion is about as accurate as a blind man's hand writting.
IIHS rated the W210 as THE TOP CAR FOR SAFETY PERIOD! door open or not... Their tests aren't as valid as real world accident data!! WAKE UP and lay off the doughnuts, too much sugar pal!
11-29-2005, 09:13 PM
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You talk about being a scientist.. well here you go Einstein...
IIHS REAL WORLD DATA.. deaths per million registration miles..
This factors out any error due to number of cars sold, etc..
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2.../15/sr4003.pdf
IIHS REAL WORLD DATA.. deaths per million registration miles..
This factors out any error due to number of cars sold, etc..
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2.../15/sr4003.pdf
11-29-2005, 09:24 PM
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BTW.. KK, you're so filled with HYPERBOLE !!!
Here is the caption for the pic you posted...
Got it off the damn website..
http://www.wreckedexotics.com/e55/ec...0523_002.shtml
While we're at it... look at these..
http://www.wreckedexotics.com/e55/e5...0619_001.shtml
Here is the caption for the pic you posted...
Car:
Late model Mercedes-Benz E-class
Description:
We've seen some bad wrecks in our time, but this one might take the cake. Mercedes was travelling at over 125 MPH when it hit a truck head on. Occupants were killed instantly.
Location:
Poland
Late model Mercedes-Benz E-class
Description:
We've seen some bad wrecks in our time, but this one might take the cake. Mercedes was travelling at over 125 MPH when it hit a truck head on. Occupants were killed instantly.
Location:
Poland
Got it off the damn website..
http://www.wreckedexotics.com/e55/ec...0523_002.shtml
While we're at it... look at these..
http://www.wreckedexotics.com/e55/e5...0619_001.shtml
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11-30-2005, 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by slk55lvr
"... By the way whoever posted that story about the acura tl...terrific car. If they ever make a rear wheel drive out of that thing with its current interior it will rule the entry level luxury class. Nonetheless, it and the RL still are not there in the driving experience department. I have little doubt that they will get there someday soon.......
Though it was not as fun as my SLK350 in terms of handling, unfortunately my E500 was no match for the RL.
Therefore, it appears that the other makes (likes of Acura and Lexus ...) are indeed making major inroads in terms of performance and value.
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I born in Yokohama, Japan, I have seen many Japanese cars that aren't very good. We called Lexus, Toyota Celsior and they are not all of them reliable. Not all our cars are reliable. When growing up, my uncle was a supplier of two of the major car company and so I was able to tour some plants. In the 80s, our cars were good but no where compared to the American and Europes. Toyota tried to copy Mercedes and BMW with thier technology and refine. All company do that but Toyota was major in doing so. Because steel was not very strong in Japan, our cars were very light and not as well crash safe as American and Europes. My toyotas was always a problem when living there. My uncle use to tell me they use less steel in Japanese cars of course its somewhat true but improvement. Our cars also have thin paint compare to american and european which I do not like. Magazine articles are good source but if you believe in everything they say you must be gullible since some are known for vacuum toaster rating (ha).
In Japan the wealthy buy Mercedes and BMWs as they are still more status than Toyota or Lexus to you. When my business grew I move my family to Santa Monica and I bought a BMW 540i. I now have SL500 for my wife, BMW 760LI and thinking buying my daughter a CLS500 when she can drive next year. I recently came back from business in Saudi and UAE and even the Sultan drive Mercedes and BMW. I can not see the Sultan in a Toyota or you call Lexus (ha). I still have a office in Osaka, Japan and still travel there. I think our cars are reliable but so are Europes car. Some here complain about performance. I can take a 1989 CRX and make it faster than a Celsior. Even a Neon SRT is quick than a GS430 and cost $30,000 less so what is the point? I glad I purchase Europes car and good you buy Japanese car. My like is European.
~Katasu~
In Japan the wealthy buy Mercedes and BMWs as they are still more status than Toyota or Lexus to you. When my business grew I move my family to Santa Monica and I bought a BMW 540i. I now have SL500 for my wife, BMW 760LI and thinking buying my daughter a CLS500 when she can drive next year. I recently came back from business in Saudi and UAE and even the Sultan drive Mercedes and BMW. I can not see the Sultan in a Toyota or you call Lexus (ha). I still have a office in Osaka, Japan and still travel there. I think our cars are reliable but so are Europes car. Some here complain about performance. I can take a 1989 CRX and make it faster than a Celsior. Even a Neon SRT is quick than a GS430 and cost $30,000 less so what is the point? I glad I purchase Europes car and good you buy Japanese car. My like is European.
~Katasu~
11-30-2005, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by KTakayamo
I born in Yokohama, Japan, I have seen many Japanese cars that aren't very good. We called Lexus, Toyota Celsior and they are not all of them reliable. Not all our cars are reliable. When growing up, my uncle was a supplier of two of the major car company and so I was able to tour some plants. In the 80s, our cars were good but no where compared to the American and Europes. Toyota tried to copy Mercedes and BMW with thier technology and refine. All company do that but Toyota was major in doing so. Because steel was not very strong in Japan, our cars were very light and not as well crash safe as American and Europes. My toyotas was always a problem when living there. My uncle use to tell me they use less steel in Japanese cars of course its somewhat true but improvement. Our cars also have thin paint compare to american and european which I do not like. Magazine articles are good source but if you believe in everything they say you must be gullible since some are known for vacuum toaster rating (ha).
In Japan the wealthy buy Mercedes and BMWs as they are still more status than Toyota or Lexus to you. When my business grew I move my family to Santa Monica and I bought a BMW 540i. I now have SL500 for my wife, BMW 760LI and thinking buying my daughter a CLS500 when she can drive next year. I recently came back from business in Saudi and UAE and even the Sultan drive Mercedes and BMW. I can not see the Sultan in a Toyota or you call Lexus (ha). I still have a office in Osaka, Japan and still travel there. I think our cars are reliable but so are Europes car. Some here complain about performance. I can take a 1989 CRX and make it faster than a Celsior. Even a Neon SRT is quick than a GS430 and cost $30,000 less so what is the point? I glad I purchase Europes car and good you buy Japanese car. My like is European.
~Katasu~
In Japan the wealthy buy Mercedes and BMWs as they are still more status than Toyota or Lexus to you. When my business grew I move my family to Santa Monica and I bought a BMW 540i. I now have SL500 for my wife, BMW 760LI and thinking buying my daughter a CLS500 when she can drive next year. I recently came back from business in Saudi and UAE and even the Sultan drive Mercedes and BMW. I can not see the Sultan in a Toyota or you call Lexus (ha). I still have a office in Osaka, Japan and still travel there. I think our cars are reliable but so are Europes car. Some here complain about performance. I can take a 1989 CRX and make it faster than a Celsior. Even a Neon SRT is quick than a GS430 and cost $30,000 less so what is the point? I glad I purchase Europes car and good you buy Japanese car. My like is European.
~Katasu~
BTW, if your daughter reads this she must be awfully excited looking forward to a new CLS500...:-)
11-30-2005, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by KTakayamo
I born in Yokohama, Japan, I have seen many Japanese cars that aren't very good. We called Lexus, Toyota Celsior and they are not all of them reliable. Not all our cars are reliable. When growing up, my uncle was a supplier of two of the major car company and so I was able to tour some plants. In the 80s, our cars were good but no where compared to the American and Europes. Toyota tried to copy Mercedes and BMW with thier technology and refine. All company do that but Toyota was major in doing so. Because steel was not very strong in Japan, our cars were very light and not as well crash safe as American and Europes. My toyotas was always a problem when living there. My uncle use to tell me they use less steel in Japanese cars of course its somewhat true but improvement. Our cars also have thin paint compare to american and european which I do not like. Magazine articles are good source but if you believe in everything they say you must be gullible since some are known for vacuum toaster rating (ha).
In Japan the wealthy buy Mercedes and BMWs as they are still more status than Toyota or Lexus to you. When my business grew I move my family to Santa Monica and I bought a BMW 540i. I now have SL500 for my wife, BMW 760LI and thinking buying my daughter a CLS500 when she can drive next year. I recently came back from business in Saudi and UAE and even the Sultan drive Mercedes and BMW. I can not see the Sultan in a Toyota or you call Lexus (ha). I still have a office in Osaka, Japan and still travel there. I think our cars are reliable but so are Europes car. Some here complain about performance. I can take a 1989 CRX and make it faster than a Celsior. Even a Neon SRT is quick than a GS430 and cost $30,000 less so what is the point? I glad I purchase Europes car and good you buy Japanese car. My like is European.
~Katasu~
In Japan the wealthy buy Mercedes and BMWs as they are still more status than Toyota or Lexus to you. When my business grew I move my family to Santa Monica and I bought a BMW 540i. I now have SL500 for my wife, BMW 760LI and thinking buying my daughter a CLS500 when she can drive next year. I recently came back from business in Saudi and UAE and even the Sultan drive Mercedes and BMW. I can not see the Sultan in a Toyota or you call Lexus (ha). I still have a office in Osaka, Japan and still travel there. I think our cars are reliable but so are Europes car. Some here complain about performance. I can take a 1989 CRX and make it faster than a Celsior. Even a Neon SRT is quick than a GS430 and cost $30,000 less so what is the point? I glad I purchase Europes car and good you buy Japanese car. My like is European.
~Katasu~
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Originally Posted by RJC
1st post...hmmm....this is too funny
I wish I had an IP tool to see who this might truly be. :p :p
One point that is 100% correct in that post is the thing about status in Japan. (I am half-Japanese btw) It makes Japan an incredible market for status luxury goods.
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'05 E320 CDI, '08 BMW X5 4.8i, '11 Duramax 2500HD
ask the mods to check his IP address if you think he's a fake.
Better yet, Katasu.. why not post a picture or something to prove who you are to these doubting Thomas'
I for one believe he's who he says he is, and agree with much of what he says.
Better yet, Katasu.. why not post a picture or something to prove who you are to these doubting Thomas'
I for one believe he's who he says he is, and agree with much of what he says.
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Here is MB in Lexus' back yard showing off their hybrid-diesel tech cars.. taking efficiency to a whole new level.
http://www.duemotori.com/news/auto_n...nvironment.php
http://www.duemotori.com/news/auto_n...nvironment.php
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Originally Posted by KTakayamo
I born in Yokohama, Japan, I have seen many Japanese cars that aren't very good. We called Lexus, Toyota Celsior and they are not all of them reliable. Not all our cars are reliable. When growing up, my uncle was a supplier of two of the major car company and so I was able to tour some plants. In the 80s, our cars were good but no where compared to the American and Europes. Toyota tried to copy Mercedes and BMW with thier technology and refine. All company do that but Toyota was major in doing so. Because steel was not very strong in Japan, our cars were very light and not as well crash safe as American and Europes. My toyotas was always a problem when living there. My uncle use to tell me they use less steel in Japanese cars of course its somewhat true but improvement. Our cars also have thin paint compare to american and european which I do not like. Magazine articles are good source but if you believe in everything they say you must be gullible since some are known for vacuum toaster rating (ha).
In Japan the wealthy buy Mercedes and BMWs as they are still more status than Toyota or Lexus to you. When my business grew I move my family to Santa Monica and I bought a BMW 540i. I now have SL500 for my wife, BMW 760LI and thinking buying my daughter a CLS500 when she can drive next year. I recently came back from business in Saudi and UAE and even the Sultan drive Mercedes and BMW. I can not see the Sultan in a Toyota or you call Lexus (ha). I still have a office in Osaka, Japan and still travel there. I think our cars are reliable but so are Europes car. Some here complain about performance. I can take a 1989 CRX and make it faster than a Celsior. Even a Neon SRT is quick than a GS430 and cost $30,000 less so what is the point? I glad I purchase Europes car and good you buy Japanese car. My like is European.
~Katasu~
In Japan the wealthy buy Mercedes and BMWs as they are still more status than Toyota or Lexus to you. When my business grew I move my family to Santa Monica and I bought a BMW 540i. I now have SL500 for my wife, BMW 760LI and thinking buying my daughter a CLS500 when she can drive next year. I recently came back from business in Saudi and UAE and even the Sultan drive Mercedes and BMW. I can not see the Sultan in a Toyota or you call Lexus (ha). I still have a office in Osaka, Japan and still travel there. I think our cars are reliable but so are Europes car. Some here complain about performance. I can take a 1989 CRX and make it faster than a Celsior. Even a Neon SRT is quick than a GS430 and cost $30,000 less so what is the point? I glad I purchase Europes car and good you buy Japanese car. My like is European.
~Katasu~
Yea......Right! LOL
11-30-2005, 01:19 PM
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'05 E320 CDI, '08 BMW X5 4.8i, '11 Duramax 2500HD
Originally Posted by lig
That's what I was thinking... hmmm... the fake bad english... the old stereotypes of Japanese cars... hmmmm... indeed.
I wish I had an IP tool to see who this might truly be. :p :p
One point that is 100% correct in that post is the thing about status in Japan. (I am half-Japanese btw) It makes Japan an incredible market for status luxury goods.
I wish I had an IP tool to see who this might truly be. :p :p
One point that is 100% correct in that post is the thing about status in Japan. (I am half-Japanese btw) It makes Japan an incredible market for status luxury goods.
I've been to Japan, and they LOVE German products there. Whether Zeiss, MB, Marklin, or A Lange & Sohne... it sells best in Japan.
Remember, they're the 2nd biggest economy in the world behind the US, and Germany is actually #3... even though they are the largest exporter nation in the world.. that should tell you something about the demand for German goods.
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2011 E350 Cabriolet..White and Almond Mocha
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Yea......Right! LOL
