NaderA1zain

Hello,
I bought a 2010 W212 E350 that have an aftermarket headlights, when the lights are off the (hazard light and blinkers) work fine, but when I turn the lights on it works for about 30 seconds and then do not work again until I turn off the car and start it again!
I am suspecting the lights switch because one time an error came that said “Auto light inoperative” but auto lights are working fine.
Any thoughts or expierence having such an issue?
Thanks in advance.


ote in 2nd photo that the mirror blinker is on.

MJ50

moved to W212 forum...

pierrejoliat

Maybe it has LED turn signals and that particular car did not have the LED package so the ECU is shutting down that circuit?

NaderA1zain

Thanks for your reply…yes it has LED turn signals, I changed the passenger’s side turn signal into a normal bulb and it also didn’t work when lights are on, if I change both sides could it work?
and why it works when the headlights are off?

pierrejoliat

I have no idea, I'm wondering if those are the correct aftermarket headlights for a 2010, as it did not come with fender marker lights, I believe that was in that model years headlights? wild guess, my '12 has two amber lights one normal size one small, they both flash with the turn signals, but I have fender lights. Someone more knowledgeable will chime in soon!

Left Coast Geek

a 2010 W212 likely has a half dozen different combinations of headlights and related options, and the car's power control systems (SAM, etc) are coded with what options it was shipped with. Who knows where your aftermarket lamps fit into this.

NaderA1zain

so is there any advice how to solve the issue?
Also I have noticed that it should gave the parking lamps (the lamps monted on the side of the bumper for USA models) but it has been removed and the second that the error for these lamps come up in the dash, the blinkers stop working.
IDK if this info have to do anything with the issue.

Left Coast Geek

if you can post your VIN, I can look up what lighting codes apply to your car and find the correct headlight wiring diagram in WIS

pierrejoliat

Well yes! Ok with that knowledge I believe you have replacement headlights for '11-'13 year cars in a '10 model, it may be for '12 and '13 only with H7 halogen bulbs originally, unless your car came with xenons in the lighting package option.

So first I would recommend getting LCG your VIN so he can tell you what your car came with originally and then if you had the the stock halogen headlights you may be able to replace them with after market lights specifically for a 2010 model, or if you had the lighting package you may need that style of headlight assembly to return normal function.

NaderA1zain

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M@X

Hi did you solve the problem and how? thanks in advance

NaderA1zain

yes, the in my case the car was a US import and the previous owner did a sideline marker delete( the orange light in the sides)
I found the the wires for the markers and did rerouted them to make a illuminated grill😆 and connected it to 2 LED strips.
you can also use an inline resistor if you have the same issue.

M@X

Thanks. Will try. I hope I succeed. The front Blinkers don't work for me either after turning on and off the headlights

Left Coast Geek

does your car have stock factory lighting, or has it been modified?

does it have halogen, HID, or Dynamic or ILS LED headlights ?

M@X

The lighting is factory, there are no halogens. There is bi xenon headlight w. active curve light and automatic high beam,LED blinkers

Left Coast Geek

bixenon is HID, ok.

so, presumably these lights used to work, right? when did things change to the current state where the blinkers don't work after the headlight was on? were any modules or parts replaced?

M@X

I don't know when it happened because I don't get an error on the dashboard. I found it out by accident. Recently I changed one HID I put Osram D1s which I don't think is a problem

Left Coast Geek

well, debugging this is likely going to require using a multimeter and a wiring diagram, and checking the various circuits. There's probably a dozen different front lighting wiring diagrams for the 212 depending on the many option codes, the way to get the correct diagram is to access the WIS with your VIN. You gotta be careful around the HID lamps, they run on a lot of DC volts, enough to kill you if you touch the wrong circuit at the wrong time

CaliBenzDriver

yeah, HID use a plasma discharge from high voltage through xenon gas.Stay away from live igniter, if you must look at its circuitry for fried components then only do so while disconnected out of the car.

Left Coast Geek

yeah, basically, I'd keep any poking around at an HID system to the 12VDC input side to the ignitor power module.

My initial gut feeling is, check the grounds... like, check the grounds at the turn signals (one meter probe on the ground wire to the turn lamp, the other to a solid ground like battery - terminal) and then cycle the headlights, and see if that turn signal ground 'bounces' I'm guessing the 'blinker' function comes off a SAM module or something via canbus rather than a old school conventional blinker circuit.

Left Coast Geek

of, if you post your VIN I'll poke around my WIS and see if I can find a wiring diagram for the front lighting. no guarantees, WIS can be really confusing.

M@X

Thank you. Here is my VINWDDHF9AB0AA129170

Left Coast Geek

ok lets see what I find. Lets see, this is a 212.090 E550 4matic.

your data card says....

Engine number ... 273970 30 338554 Front axle 1 ....
Sales des. ...... E 550 4MATIC Front axle 2 ....
Order number .... 0 0 714 54115 Rear axle 1 .....
Production order Rear axle 2 .....
Transmission .... 722961 02 484599 Cab .............
Vehicle title no. Platform ........
Power take-off .. VIN ............. WDDHF9AB0AA129170
Front tire 1 .... Trailer hitch ...
Front tire 2 .... Steering ........
Rear tire 1 ..... Equipment ....... 201A
Rear tire 2 ..... Paint/code 1 .... 650U
Order number 1 .. Paint/code 2 ....
Rims ............ Paint/code 3 ....
Lamps ........... Paint/code 4 ....
Windshield wipers Paint/code 5 ....
Order number 2 .. Door lock .......
Speed. corr. .... Steering lock ...
Source .......... E Transmission lock
Tank lock .......
Retarder ........


SA code:

108 CONTROL CODE MARKETING
1U2 SNOW GRID
200A LEATHER
201A LEATHER - BLACK/ANTHRACITE
212B OP. INSTRUCT. AND MAINT. BOOKLET-ENGL. FOR USA/CAN
213 SPEED-SENSITIVE POWER STEERING/VARIO STEERING
218 REAR-VIEW CAMERA
230 PARKING GUIDANCE
232 GARAGE DOOR OPENER WITH 284 - 390 MHZ FREQUENCY
233 AUTONOMOUS INT. CRUISE CONT. PLUS (DISTRONIC PLUS)
234 BLIND SPOT ASSISTANT
236 ADAPTIVE REAR INTERIOR LIGHT
23P DRIVING PACKAGE
249 INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR MIRROR,AUTOMATICALLY DIMMING
255B No code designation available
264 LICENSE PLATE ATTACHMENT AMERICA
265 LINES-NO.PLATE DISCONTINUED
267 MODEL PLATE DEVIATING
275 MEMORY PACKAGE (DRIVER SEAT, STRG. COL., MIRROR)
279 ELECTRONIC GEAR RANGE SELECTION
280 LEATHER STEERING WHEEL AND LEATHER GEAR SHIFT KNOB
284B AIRBAG LABEL - ENGLISH FOR USA
287 THROUGH-LOADING FEATURE
291 PELVIS AIRBAG (PELVISBAG)
294 KNEE AIRBAG
298 SIDEBAGS IN REAR WITH BELT FORCE LIMITER
301 ASHTRAY PACKAGE
309 CUP HOLDER
312B HEAD UNIT LANGUAGE - AMERICAN ENGLISH
342B INSTRUMENT CLUSTER/HU LANGUAGE - AMERICAN
359 TELEAID USA
401 FRONT SEAT CLIMATE CONTROL
413 PANORAMIC SLIDING SUNROOF/GLASS SUNROOF
427 AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION 7-SPEED
428 STEER.WHEEL GEARSHIFT BUTTONS/SHIFT PADDLE PAINTED
432 DYNAMICS SEAT,FRONT LEFT AND RIGHT
43P CONTROL CODE MARKETING
461 INSTRUMENT WITH MILES IND. AND ENGLISH LEGEND
475 TIRE PRESSURE CONTROL
476 AUTOMATIC LANE RECOGNITION
489 AIRMATIC DUAL CONTROL / AIR SUSPENSION SEMI-ACTIVE
494 U.S. VERSION
512 COMAND APS WITH DVD CHANGER
518 UNIVERSAL COMMUNICATIONS INTERFACE (UCI)
51U BLACK FABRIC ROOF INTERIOR TRIM
536 SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO COMPLETE SYSTEM
540 ROLLER BLIND, ELECTRIC, FOR REAR WINDOW
543 SUN VISOR WITH ADDITIONAL FUNCTION
551 BASIC ANTITHEFT ALARM SYSTEM (ATA)
580 AIR CONDITIONER
600 HEADLAMPS - CLEANING EQUIPMENT
608 AUTOMATIC HIGH BEAM SWITCH (IHC)
610 NIGHT VIEW ASSIST
615 BI-XENON HEADLICHT W.ACTVIE CURVELIGHT RIGHT-DRIVE
619 CORNERING ILLUMINATION
634 DELETION - FIRST AID KIT
636 DELETION - WARNING TRIANGLE
650U CALCITE WHITE - STANDARD FINISH
668 PRODUCT PROT. F FREIGHT PACKAG. W TIE-DOWN HOOKS
690 EMERGENCY SPARE TIRE (MINI SPARE)
705L UNITED STATES (USA)
736 TRIM PIECES - WOOD ASH BLACK
763 RADIO REMOTE CONTROL WITH PANIC SWITCH (315 MHZ)
772 AMG STYLING PACKAGE-FRONT SPOILER, SIDE SKIRT
781 RADIO REMOTE CTRL. WITHOUT PANIC SWITCH (433 MHZ)
7XXL NORTH AND SOUTH AMERICA
800 AEJ 09/1
810 PREMIUM SOUND SYSTEM
875 HEATED SCREEN WASH SYSTEM
881 REMOTE TRUNK LOCKING
887 SEPARATE TRUNK LID LOCKING
889 KEYLESS - GO
915 FUEL TANK WITH GREATER CAPACITY - VOLUME 2
919 AIRCON COOLING POWER PACKAGE
951 SPORT-PACKAGE USA
954 EQUIPMENT PACKAGE FOR AVANTGARDE VEHICLES
986 DEVIATING VIN WITH MODEL YEAR
989 IDENTIFICATION LABEL UNDER WINDSHIELD
99N STEUERCODE WERK SINDELFINGEN/GRAZ
A21 SHIFT BY WIRE
A36 TORQUE CONVERTER HOUSING AGA
A49 CONVERTER WITH 3 FRICTION DISKS
A52 R- VALVE BODY ASSEMBLY WITH VGS 3
B12 WHEEL REPLACEMENT TOOL
F212 MODEL SERIES 212
FW LIMOUSINE
G961 TRANSMISSION CODE VERSION 61
GA AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
HA REAR AXLE
J1A NAT2 WITH OPTIMIZED DSM
K15 CONTROL CODE FOR SERVICE INTERVAL 15000 KM
L LEFT-HAND STEERING
M005 VEHICLES WITH 4-MATIC-/ALL WHEEL DRIVE
M273 V8-GASOLINE ENGINE M273
M55 CAPACITY 5,5 LITRE
P17 KEYLESS-GO PACKAGE
P35 LIGHT PACKAGE (FFO)
Q06 NAO BRAKE LININGS WITH NO LOSS OF BRAKE FORCE
R02 ALL SEASON TYRES
U10 FRONT PASSENGER SEAT WITH WEIGHT SENSING
U12 FLOOR MATS - VELOUR
U71 DVD PLAYER WITH REGIONAL CODE 1, USA
V04 SPEED. + LOADINDEX 97V XL
VL FRONT AXLE HALF, LEFT
VR FRONT AXLE HALF, RIGHT

Left Coast Geek

gah, 100s of pages of WIS data to dig through, and I've had too many beers to wanna try and figure out whats applicable to yours.

I haven't found the HID diagram yet, but the ones I've looked at, its all controlled by the front SAM and CANbus. My gut feeling is, you're gonna need a really good late model Mercedes independent mechanic willing to do difficult diagnostics