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Several articles mention Drive Pilot as initially being live in Germany but purchasable in general. That software updates will allow it to work elsewhere.
This page doesn't even mention it all. I'm also not quite sure from what is listed how closely it does (or does not) mirror the generic highway functionality of Tesla's autopilot, Chevy Supercruise, or the new Ford BlueCruise. (ie: Just need to pay attention and keep hands on wheel, but it basically drives down the highway and steers) Some areas make it sound like it just does lane correction to keep you from veering, others state that it does the full Level 2 (like Autopilot) and will do level 3 (Supercruise, BlueCruise) with update.
Anyone able to decipher it?
This is a big deal for me, as long as it is a reasonable approach, I will most likely be getting this. Waiting on the DOG from my dealer. They have committed to MSRP on it (under MSRP is not really possible at launch, and several dealers in my area are trying absurd things like 30K markups)
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That Audi looks pretty good, although it is likely more of an EQE competitor. I doubt it will have anywhere near the luxury and technology of the EQS.
Also all VW Group EVs have had poor range so far. I wonder how this A6 E-tron fits vs the Etron GT. They both seem to be mid-size, sports-sedan EVs. My guess is the A6 moniker suggests a lower price than the E-Tron GT, but also a larger interior commensurate with other A6 models (the e-Tron GT is closer to A4 in cabin space).
Also all VW Group EVs have had poor range so far. I wonder how this A6 E-tron fits vs the Etron GT. They both seem to be mid-size, sports-sedan EVs. My guess is the A6 moniker suggests a lower price than the E-Tron GT, but also a larger interior commensurate with other A6 models (the e-Tron GT is closer to A4 in cabin space).
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I've got to say I'm a bit confused on Drive Pilot.
Several articles mention Drive Pilot as initially being live in Germany but purchasable in general. That software updates will allow it to work elsewhere.
This page doesn't even mention it all. I'm also not quite sure from what is listed how closely it does (or does not) mirror the generic highway functionality of Tesla's autopilot, Chevy Supercruise, or the new Ford BlueCruise. (ie: Just need to pay attention and keep hands on wheel, but it basically drives down the highway and steers) Some areas make it sound like it just does lane correction to keep you from veering, others state that it does the full Level 2 (like Autopilot) and will do level 3 (Supercruise, BlueCruise) with update.
Anyone able to decipher it?
This is a big deal for me, as long as it is a reasonable approach, I will most likely be getting this. Waiting on the DOG from my dealer. They have committed to MSRP on it (under MSRP is not really possible at launch, and several dealers in my area are trying absurd things like 30K markups)
Several articles mention Drive Pilot as initially being live in Germany but purchasable in general. That software updates will allow it to work elsewhere.
This page doesn't even mention it all. I'm also not quite sure from what is listed how closely it does (or does not) mirror the generic highway functionality of Tesla's autopilot, Chevy Supercruise, or the new Ford BlueCruise. (ie: Just need to pay attention and keep hands on wheel, but it basically drives down the highway and steers) Some areas make it sound like it just does lane correction to keep you from veering, others state that it does the full Level 2 (like Autopilot) and will do level 3 (Supercruise, BlueCruise) with update.
Anyone able to decipher it?
This is a big deal for me, as long as it is a reasonable approach, I will most likely be getting this. Waiting on the DOG from my dealer. They have committed to MSRP on it (under MSRP is not really possible at launch, and several dealers in my area are trying absurd things like 30K markups)
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I was looking forward to seeing the front exterior until it was revealed, I was like..uhhhhhh. it reminded me of Honda civic front end. everything else including the awesome interior and rear were good. I guess 2nd gen would look more aggressive.
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I mentioned that it was an EQE competitor. Being that there is no EQE forum, and that MBWorld is already too quiet as it is I decided to put it here since this is pretty much the EQ discussion thread, mainly focused on the EQS but also any news of competitors and more models in the EQ lineup until the other forums are made.
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Totally agree. Also I am really impressed with the level of detail they have thought through. They have elevated both the S-Class experience and the EV experience. On the EV driving experience one super innovative detail that caught my attention is that the EQS has automatically adjusting regeneration that allows you to coast while driving on the straight with no cars in front but automatically switches the regeneration back on when there's a car or curve ahead. This allows you to have the best of both coasting and one-pedal driving. Brilliant!
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Neither Supercruise or Bluecruise is Level 3. They are Level 2. Mercedes will have level 3 in Europe later this year but will have to be purchased that way. US MB's are level 2 only and will need additional hardware to go to level 3, so don't expect a software upgrade to make them Level 3.
How does Mercedes L2 compare to Autopilot/Supercruise/Bluecruise? Similar?
I know our Taycan is significantly worse in that regard.
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Neither Supercruise or Bluecruise is Level 3. They are Level 2. Mercedes will have level 3 in Europe later this year but will have to be purchased that way. US MB's are level 2 only and will need additional hardware to go to level 3, so don't expect a software upgrade to make them Level 3.
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Ok, so let's say you're the Mercedes product manager for "flagship" sedans... do you invest in developing an ICE W224 for say, 2027 or 2028, or are you ready to commit to EQS taking it's place?
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I feel so blah about the exterior. Take the badge off and this could be made by any company in existence. Not one single part looks stately or has presence or style. It is just so ho hum. They had such an opportunity of making it special and they did the exact opposite. The interior looks great but the outside is a melted block of cheese...
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Its a challenging problem. BMW is responding by creating an integrated ICE/EV platform to support both versions of its next 7 series. However I think that is a poor strategy because the EV won't be competitive. Especially as Tesla's get better, and people like Lucid show up
I think Mercedes has the right approach. But they will need to rationalize ICE variants which they are doing - they killed the C coupe, the S coupe, the SLK so far. i suspect CLS will go. there will be fewer engine variants. fewer wagons. no coupe SUVs for the ice lineup.
I think Mercedes has the right approach. But they will need to rationalize ICE variants which they are doing - they killed the C coupe, the S coupe, the SLK so far. i suspect CLS will go. there will be fewer engine variants. fewer wagons. no coupe SUVs for the ice lineup.
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I feel so blah about the exterior. Take the badge off and this could be made by any company in existence. Not one single part looks stately or has presence or style. It is just so ho hum. They had such an opportunity of making it special and they did the exact opposite. The interior looks great but the outside is a melted block of cheese...
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The EQS is horrible looking to me, it looks like a impala or any cheap sedan from the exterior. I want to like it but I just can't it's horrible. Ill wait until the next revision or when they make w223 with the EQS electronic infrastructure. The EQS was made for China, it has to be, the majority of W222 owners I talked to has said its horrible on the exterior but I'm sure it will sell out. It's a very GM looking car.
Until we have solid state batteries, carmakers will push for the lowest CW rating for range which somewhat dictates a design.
That said, I am not a fan of MB’s “one bow” philosophy...
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Mercedes will not make an electric S-Class ever, W223 or W224, etc. So unless you are OK with hybrid you will have to wait for a revised EQS version.
Until we have solid state batteries, carmakers will push for the lowest CW rating for range which somewhat dictates a design.
That said, I am not a fan of MB’s “one bow” philosophy...
Until we have solid state batteries, carmakers will push for the lowest CW rating for range which somewhat dictates a design.
That said, I am not a fan of MB’s “one bow” philosophy...
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it's the "S-Class" of the EQ lineup. However, the 2 cars don't share any commonality.
My guess is that at this point the W223 will be the last ICE S Class model produced.
It will probably have a longer shelf life than 7 yrs.
If battery range can be improved sufficiently than you will see a more formal looking S Class electric car.
My guess is that at this point the W223 will be the last ICE S Class model produced.
It will probably have a longer shelf life than 7 yrs.
If battery range can be improved sufficiently than you will see a more formal looking S Class electric car.
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Mercedes commonly use that phrase. They also call the GLS the S-Class of SUV's. Take that as you will.
That being said this is definitely closer to S than the GLS which is simply just a stretched GLE in non-Maybach forms.
That being said this is definitely closer to S than the GLS which is simply just a stretched GLE in non-Maybach forms.
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