AppleFan1

In race for efficient EVs, Mercedes taps F1 team to keep up with Tesla

How do I turn this into a link? It’s a very interesting article from CNBC.

MBNUT1

https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...la-2023-05-02/

Interview with Mercedes F1 principal Toto Wolff on Mercedes EV program here


Interview starts at 2:23

AppleFan1

Thank you so much. Can you explain to me how you did this? Is it because this is from another source? I couldn’t get a link through CNBC.

MBNUT1

I just googled your sentence and copied and pasted the link

Utopia Texas

That article bodes the question, why wasn’t Mercedes going for all this high efficiency from the beginning of the EQ concept? It also discusses a more aerodynamic design in future models. I thought the EQ was as aerodynamic as possible or will future cars all look like F1 racers? 😊

Serhan

Also from last week, MotoMan meets up with Christoph Starzynski, formerly the Head of Development for @MercedesBenz EQ electric vehicles, he is now the Head of all Mercedes Benz passenger car development:

nosnoop

F1's aerodynamic priorities are different. They want maximum downforce, so their Cd values are typically much higher than our cars.
Probably one area that the F1 tech not too applicable to EQ cars.

vhooloo

Can MB just produce EVs that work first, then get in the race for catching up to Tesla?

AppleFan1

I’m sure you will have plenty of people that will buy your “lemon.” All you need to do is tow it to the dealer and they will fix it. “Patience ***, patience said the master to the donkey.”

nosnoop

Catching up to Tesla? What is there to "catch up"?

Tjdehya

Efficiency! MB is way behind Tesla and lucid.

nosnoop

It's easy to achieve efficiency like Tesla ignoring refinement, noise, luxury, vibration and comfort.
Achieving noise isolation and refinement takes a lot of weight, there is no way around physics. In addition, I mean Tesla didn't even bother to put in decent equipment like an instrument panel, HUD, proper rain sensor, ultrasonic sensors, radar, front camera (and the list goes on...) for their Model 3/Y
With increased weight from higher level of luxury, equipment and refinement, you will inevitably reduce efficiency.

Just like I don't buy ICE car based on best fuel consumption, most EV buyers won't consider efficiency as deal breakers as long as it is decent; range is much more important.

Tjdehya

Guess what… the better the efficiency the better the range… go figure!

vhooloo

MB should focus on quality first, then quantity. Right now it seems they have neither quality nor quantity....

nosnoop

Only for the same size battery.
I won't care about "best" efficiency if it is done at the expense of refinement and luxury.
If they have to use a larger battery to make up for the decrease in efficiency, so be it.

That's why I will not consider any of the current Teslas, even if they can achieve world record "efficiency".

guess2098

lots of Tesla drivers said their consumption is great but convert to range is not the same number. for example, 5mi/kwh with 100kwh battery should gives total of 500 mi range. my friend shows me his model 3p on app is 5.1mi/kwh but there is no way he can drive over 300mi from 100% to 0%. he said his battery size is somewhat 75kwh

MBNUT1

I want both efficiency and refinement. While I agree that refinement requires some weight, all weight does not translate into refinement. Mercedes should be both refined and efficient and should be priced accordingly.

MBNUT1

It all depends on the speed he drives. to achieve that mi/kph and then trying to get that range.

guess2098

this is his average for 4 years ~50k miles. not just one time going downhill. I think for such large driving data the calculation should be match his driving style.

MBNUT1

Yes sounds suspicious to me. 5.1 is a really good number. Unless he has been puttering around town the whole time in some warm but not hot climate I'm calling BS.

guess2098

exactly, that is why I think the real world efficiency for Tesla is not that impressive. they might be the no 1 but that is with small wheel and reduced weight.
just compare model x vs EQS SUV, the efficiency between two cars is not that much of different.

AppleFan1

You’ve made your point on many threads here. You hate the EQS. Enough of your childish behavior. Buy a Tesla and let us enjoy our EQS’s. Thank you.