MB suspending sales of 2022 AMG V8 models
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Correct. It affects the average MPG which is part of the overall fleet numbers reported for consumption.
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suspending the north America market.....still manufacturing them in ROW (MY2022)
With current demand I'm sure they will not miss a beat, and probably make more money since a G wagon overseas sells for much more
Leads you to think its not a chip shortage, but an emissions play
My guess is when they come back they get a decent price adjustment, to account for inflation....and possibly a revised powertrain (maybe a G580 with the S class engine).....but again just a guess
With current demand I'm sure they will not miss a beat, and probably make more money since a G wagon overseas sells for much more
Leads you to think its not a chip shortage, but an emissions play
My guess is when they come back they get a decent price adjustment, to account for inflation....and possibly a revised powertrain (maybe a G580 with the S class engine).....but again just a guess
A few people have touched on what may be an emissions or chip issue. But very few are linking them beyond cylinder deactivation, which plays into my theory. My going theory is that because chips are halting sales of the cars that bring the ensuing averages down, amg Mercedes is choosing which and how many v8 engines can be produced to meet the regulations. A bland reality is that policy makers fail to understand writing in purposeful delays of regulations even when crippling economies. It may take ten a series to offset a 63. If they can’t sell those ten, a v8 might get cut. Add in every other excuse of delay that can happen and here we are. Minerals can’t flow from third world countries if they are not going to recover from the pandemic, for years or decades. World production will and is changed forever. The allowable adm will raise future retail prices to at least that price. It happens every time. We are about to experience inflation of unmatched potential. Bread selling for 5 dollars is no different than that 350k g. Buy now as I’ve never seen a long term manufactured object lower in price. We are not talking new technology limitations and diminishing production costs, we are talking resources. The emissions tech is due to mandates, not resources and policy should not outweigh the ability of the economy to run. Electric does not solve the air, water or waste issues in any capacity during the next lifetime. A v8 that can be made but is not because of politics is not an efficient use of resources, negating any savings. (Environmental management and economics background and love the environment)
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A few people have touched on what may be an emissions or chip issue. But very few are linking them beyond cylinder deactivation, which plays into my theory. My going theory is that because chips are halting sales of the cars that bring the ensuing averages down, amg Mercedes is choosing which and how many v8 engines can be produced to meet the regulations. A bland reality is that policy makers fail to understand writing in purposeful delays of regulations even when crippling economies. It may take ten a series to offset a 63. If they can’t sell those ten, a v8 might get cut. Add in every other excuse of delay that can happen and here we are. Minerals can’t flow from third world countries if they are not going to recover from the pandemic, for years or decades. World production will and is changed forever. The allowable adm will raise future retail prices to at least that price. It happens every time. We are about to experience inflation of unmatched potential. Bread selling for 5 dollars is no different than that 350k g. Buy now as I’ve never seen a long term manufactured object lower in price. We are not talking new technology limitations and diminishing production costs, we are talking resources. The emissions tech is due to mandates, not resources and policy should not outweigh the ability of the economy to run. Electric does not solve the air, water or waste issues in any capacity during the next lifetime. A v8 that can be made but is not because of politics is not an efficient use of resources, negating any savings. (Environmental management and economics background and love the environment)
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If this production suspension is a consequence of the SAFE Vehicles Rule (as I have speculated), it is indeed politics. Congress passes legislation and the EPA (emissions) and the NHTSA (fuel economy) write rules establishing the standards that manufacturers' automobiles must conform with. SAFE was officially released in mid-2020, which effectively gave manufacturers 18 months to meet the requirements that take effect in 2022. The requirements are annual 1.5% improvements in fuel economy and emissions reduction for the 5 years spanning 2022 through 2026. The lunacy is of course that no manufacturer redesigns an engine annually to meet intermediate targets. So MBAG (and probably a few other manufacturers that don't exclusively sell compact cars) are tasked with 7.5% improvement standards that must be achieved by 2026 (unless of course the earlier 5% annual improvement requirements are reinstated, which might induce MBAG and others to fold up their tents and leave country).
For an entertaining read, see https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...tnote-1-p24174. While I can't speak for others on this forum, I can say it would take me until 2022 to read through this document without any hope of understanding most of it.
For an entertaining read, see https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...tnote-1-p24174. While I can't speak for others on this forum, I can say it would take me until 2022 to read through this document without any hope of understanding most of it.
One way to meet the SAFE requirement will be the E Performance V8 that increases overall economy about 10%. I didn’t see it mentioned previously in this thread. It could be that Mercedes is ramping up to produce them in more/most AMG models next year. While it’s technically a hybrid it really isn’t a true PHEV, IMO. It won’t eliminate the V8 but enhance it…the V8 with added performance from the electric motor and maybe rear wheel steer/torque vectoring included will be a beast.
Here’s a shorter version for those that haven’t seen the Technology-
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I spoke to my dealer about my 2022 order (waiting list is 3 years in Canada...). Manager confirmed it would be a hybrid just like european GT4 Hybrid. You do get better acceleration, but with the extra weigth of elecric motor and battery, overall milleage is the same. Engine stop at red light, and restart on green light, + improved muffler to suppress frequent engine stop/start . For electric mode only, you need 8 hours of level 1 charging, for 7 miles.
In the end, i cancelled my 2022 order and found a "used" 2021
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I spoke to my dealer about my 2022 order (waiting list is 3 years in Canada...). Manager confirmed it would be a hybrid just like european GT4 Hybrid. You do get better acceleration, but with the extra weigth of elecric motor and battery, overall milleage is the same. Engine stop at red light, and restart on green light, + improved muffler to suppress frequent engine stop/start . For electric mode only, you need 8 hours of level 1 charging, for 7 miles.
In the end, i cancelled my 2022 order and found a "used" 2021
In the end, i cancelled my 2022 order and found a "used" 2021
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I spoke to my dealer about my 2022 order (waiting list is 3 years in Canada...). Manager confirmed it would be a hybrid just like european GT4 Hybrid. You do get better acceleration, but with the extra weigth of elecric motor and battery, overall milleage is the same. Engine stop at red light, and restart on green light, + improved muffler to suppress frequent engine stop/start . For electric mode only, you need 8 hours of level 1 charging, for 7 miles.
In the end, i cancelled my 2022 order and found a "used" 2021
In the end, i cancelled my 2022 order and found a "used" 2021
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@streborx they are good at one thing - spending public money poorly ;-) .. that's all a ploy right; if EV owners were really bothered about the environment they would be living under a tent and all that timber would still be standing as trees..
@mercedesmax I mean eventually ICE will give way (just like steam engines, blah, blah, blah!), battery technology will improve, charging stations will be a plenty, etc.etc.
down here in vancouver all gas stations are gone within a 40 mile radius of downtown (and this just in the last couple of years)..there used to be one every couple of blocks and now there's only a handful left. you can count them on your fingers...(one hand) :-)
I believe only yesterday, BMW said they wouldn't commit to a date as to when they'll cease putting out V8s and a few months ago the CEO of MB said they'll go back to being a niche player (no more A and B classes, sorry masses!) however MB is the one coming up with a ton of EVs..both in the passenger and truck/LV segments. so no more big honking V8s/ V12s I guess..look what they are doing to the C63..
but back on topic/ thread.. the temporary suspension is more to do with quality (also only NA)..I received a recall notice a few days ago (to replace ignition coils)
.. so something fishy..
@mercedesmax I mean eventually ICE will give way (just like steam engines, blah, blah, blah!), battery technology will improve, charging stations will be a plenty, etc.etc.
down here in vancouver all gas stations are gone within a 40 mile radius of downtown (and this just in the last couple of years)..there used to be one every couple of blocks and now there's only a handful left. you can count them on your fingers...(one hand) :-)
I believe only yesterday, BMW said they wouldn't commit to a date as to when they'll cease putting out V8s and a few months ago the CEO of MB said they'll go back to being a niche player (no more A and B classes, sorry masses!) however MB is the one coming up with a ton of EVs..both in the passenger and truck/LV segments. so no more big honking V8s/ V12s I guess..look what they are doing to the C63..
but back on topic/ thread.. the temporary suspension is more to do with quality (also only NA)..I received a recall notice a few days ago (to replace ignition coils)
.. so something fishy..
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@streborx they are good at one thing - spending public money poorly ;-) .. that's all a ploy right; if EV owners were really bothered about the environment they would be living under a tent and all that timber would still be standing as trees..
@mercedesmax I mean eventually ICE will give way (just like steam engines, blah, blah, blah!), battery technology will improve, charging stations will be a plenty, etc.etc.
down here in vancouver all gas stations are gone within a 40 mile radius of downtown (and this just in the last couple of years)..there used to be one every couple of blocks and now there's only a handful left. you can count them on your fingers...(one hand) :-)
I believe only yesterday, BMW said they wouldn't commit to a date as to when they'll cease putting out V8s and a few months ago the CEO of MB said they'll go back to being a niche player (no more A and B classes, sorry masses!) however MB is the one coming up with a ton of EVs..both in the passenger and truck/LV segments. so no more big honking V8s/ V12s I guess..look what they are doing to the C63..
but back on topic/ thread.. the temporary suspension is more to do with quality (also only NA)..I received a recall notice a few days ago (to replace ignition coils).. so something fishy..
@mercedesmax I mean eventually ICE will give way (just like steam engines, blah, blah, blah!), battery technology will improve, charging stations will be a plenty, etc.etc.
down here in vancouver all gas stations are gone within a 40 mile radius of downtown (and this just in the last couple of years)..there used to be one every couple of blocks and now there's only a handful left. you can count them on your fingers...(one hand) :-)
I believe only yesterday, BMW said they wouldn't commit to a date as to when they'll cease putting out V8s and a few months ago the CEO of MB said they'll go back to being a niche player (no more A and B classes, sorry masses!) however MB is the one coming up with a ton of EVs..both in the passenger and truck/LV segments. so no more big honking V8s/ V12s I guess..look what they are doing to the C63..
but back on topic/ thread.. the temporary suspension is more to do with quality (also only NA)..I received a recall notice a few days ago (to replace ignition coils)
.. so something fishy..I've just ordered the new SL and a C63 S Final Edition from Mercedes London which are directly Daimler owned so no franchised dealer bull****.
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Nothing to do with quality as all V8's are on sale here in the UK and Europe, no problem. Your legislators have gone too far with EPA.
I've just ordered the new SL and a C63 S Final Edition from Mercedes London which are directly Daimler owned so no franchised dealer bull****.
I've just ordered the new SL and a C63 S Final Edition from Mercedes London which are directly Daimler owned so no franchised dealer bull****.
At least we didn’t run out of gasoline this week. Lol.
J/K, enjoy the final hurrah for ICE before they are banned everywhere.
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It is impossible! May be the correct figure is 80 G Wagon per month shipped to Canada!
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80 per year could be correct. The Canadians severely restrict imported products because they believe each item imported has taken jobs away from them. They're so paranoid about this that they would rather have half the people in Quebec suffer frostbite than import mittens made in China. All the U.S. car makers have assembly plants in Canada employing Canadians. If not for this, Canada would yet be driving horse carriages.
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80 per year could be correct. The Canadians severely restrict imported products because they believe each item imported has taken jobs away from them. They're so paranoid about this that they would rather have half the people in Quebec suffer frostbite than import mittens made in China. All the U.S. car makers have assembly plants in Canada employing Canadians. If not for this, Canada would yet be driving horse carriages.
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Looks like it is around 120-70 G wagons a month (so roughly 1200 a year): https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2021-c...sales-figures/
Again I am sure some 'very honest dealer' gave someone the inside scoop about how there are only 80 per year and therefore the mark up they are charging on the 2019 is 'fair'.
Again I am sure some 'very honest dealer' gave someone the inside scoop about how there are only 80 per year and therefore the mark up they are charging on the 2019 is 'fair'.
