Correct. It affects the average MPG which is part of the overall fleet numbers reported for consumption.

 

A few people have touched on what may be an emissions or chip issue. But very few are linking them beyond cylinder deactivation, which plays into my theory. My going theory is that because chips are halting sales of the cars that bring the ensuing averages down, amg Mercedes is choosing which and how many v8 engines can be produced to meet the regulations. A bland reality is that policy makers fail to understand writing in purposeful delays of regulations even when crippling economies. It may take ten a series to offset a 63. If they can’t sell those ten, a v8 might get cut. Add in every other excuse of delay that can happen and here we are. Minerals can’t flow from third world countries if they are not going to recover from the pandemic, for years or decades. World production will and is changed forever. The allowable adm will raise future retail prices to at least that price. It happens every time. We are about to experience inflation of unmatched potential. Bread selling for 5 dollars is no different than that 350k g. Buy now as I’ve never seen a long term manufactured object lower in price. We are not talking new technology limitations and diminishing production costs, we are talking resources. The emissions tech is due to mandates, not resources and policy should not outweigh the ability of the economy to run. Electric does not solve the air, water or waste issues in any capacity during the next lifetime. A v8 that can be made but is not because of politics is not an efficient use of resources, negating any savings. (Environmental management and economics background and love the environment)

 

Agreed 100%.

 

You are probably closer to the truth than the Mercedes line that it’s the Supply Chain. Then recently a Mercedes Exec mentioned quality as an issue. Neither make sense for such a drastic cutback.
One way to meet the SAFE requirement will be the E Performance V8 that increases overall economy about 10%. I didn’t see it mentioned previously in this thread. It could be that Mercedes is ramping up to produce them in more/most AMG models next year. While it’s technically a hybrid it really isn’t a true PHEV, IMO. It won’t eliminate the V8 but enhance it…the V8 with added performance from the electric motor and maybe rear wheel steer/torque vectoring included will be a beast.

Here’s a shorter version for those that haven’t seen the Technology-

 

This vehicle does have a charging port requiring it to be plugged in

 

Correct but it has a very short range (7 miles maybe?) of Electric only so I don’t consider it a true PHEV. The battery is designed to function for performance with a side effect of helping fuel economy about 10%..

 

true but without the v8 sound

 

I spoke to my dealer about my 2022 order (waiting list is 3 years in Canada...). Manager confirmed it would be a hybrid just like european GT4 Hybrid. You do get better acceleration, but with the extra weigth of elecric motor and battery, overall milleage is the same. Engine stop at red light, and restart on green light, + improved muffler to suppress frequent engine stop/start . For electric mode only, you need 8 hours of level 1 charging, for 7 miles.

In the end, i cancelled my 2022 order and found a "used" 2021

 

If this is true, I feel bad for those waiting on the sidelines for the pure V8 but are expecting prices to drop down, especially on 2021 models.

 

I rather have the sound but i want both lol

 

In 10 years from now, I think 2019-2021 models will worth more than 2022-2023 hybrid.

 

This is quite plausible. The HP bump will certainly be compensatory however not the same as all ICE.

 

Another victim of Global Warming. I'll keep my 2002 G 500.

 

Phillip Schiemer, who oversees AMG, Maybach, and the G class is on the record in a Road and Track interview saying that the E Performance Hybrid improves economy about 10%. It also will allow sub 3 second 0-60 times and adds up to 201 hp to the V8 giving you a combined 800+ and a lot of torque. There is a uTube video of the interview but I’ll post a link of R&T’s summary. The new hybrid motor has 4 levels of regeneration so in city driving the plug in charging might not be necessary every day. As I see it you have the same V8 engine with the bonus of the E Performance motor. It will add some weight (400-500 lbs) but will also balance weight distribution front and rear. IMO, it’s a necessary solution to allow keeping the ICE V8 and still meeting more stringent emission standards.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a3...hybrid-future/

 

when demand for ICE is less there will be fewer gas stations too..
with fewer parts, electric vehicles can actually become cheaper than what they are now..economies of scale..

 

Fewer gas stations and fewer fuel tax dollars to fund the highways. How do you think the politicians are going to thank all the environmentally conscientious EV owners???

 

Except for the fact that the batteries are driving the price of EV's.

 

@streborx they are good at one thing - spending public money poorly ;-) .. that's all a ploy right; if EV owners were really bothered about the environment they would be living under a tent and all that timber would still be standing as trees..
@mercedesmax I mean eventually ICE will give way (just like steam engines, blah, blah, blah!), battery technology will improve, charging stations will be a plenty, etc.etc.
down here in vancouver all gas stations are gone within a 40 mile radius of downtown (and this just in the last couple of years)..there used to be one every couple of blocks and now there's only a handful left. you can count them on your fingers...(one hand) :-)
I believe only yesterday, BMW said they wouldn't commit to a date as to when they'll cease putting out V8s and a few months ago the CEO of MB said they'll go back to being a niche player (no more A and B classes, sorry masses!) however MB is the one coming up with a ton of EVs..both in the passenger and truck/LV segments. so no more big honking V8s/ V12s I guess..look what they are doing to the C63..

but back on topic/ thread.. the temporary suspension is more to do with quality (also only NA)..I received a recall notice a few days ago (to replace ignition coils) .. so something fishy..

 

Nothing to do with quality as all V8's are on sale here in the UK and Europe, no problem. Your legislators have gone too far with EPA.

I've just ordered the new SL and a C63 S Final Edition from Mercedes London which are directly Daimler owned so no franchised dealer bull****.

 

At least we didn’t run out of gasoline this week. Lol.
J/K, enjoy the final hurrah for ICE before they are banned everywhere.

 

It is impossible! May be the correct figure is 80 G Wagon per month shipped to Canada!

 

80 per year could be correct. The Canadians severely restrict imported products because they believe each item imported has taken jobs away from them. They're so paranoid about this that they would rather have half the people in Quebec suffer frostbite than import mittens made in China. All the U.S. car makers have assembly plants in Canada employing Canadians. If not for this, Canada would yet be driving horse carriages.

 

We recently imposed 300% tariff on certain furniture imports:
https://globalnews.ca/news/7870710/s...-tariffs-cbsa/
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/fur...iffs-1.6043863

 

If only 80 cars per year, it is less than 7 cars per month for whole Canada. Even it is not enough to supply to Ontario’s dealers.(More than 10 dealerships) My dealer told me they have around 2-4 allocations per month. (G63 Vs G550 = 1:2) But they have more than 40 customers for G63 on the waiting list.

 

Looks like it is around 120-70 G wagons a month (so roughly 1200 a year): https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2021-c...sales-figures/

Again I am sure some 'very honest dealer' gave someone the inside scoop about how there are only 80 per year and therefore the mark up they are charging on the 2019 is 'fair'.