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MB suspending sales of 2022 AMG V8 models
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False rumors like this need to stop. The G wagon was JUST released in 2019. It is MB's most profitable model. They are TEMPORARILY SUSPENDING production for PART OF 2022. There are many other manufacturers, Aston Martin being one for example that have AMG motors on order until 2023 / 2024 and beyond. While there may be alternative iterations of the G wagon there will be a 2023 AMG. All credible sources are leading us to believe it will be a V8. Unless you have pockets as deeper than the ocean hold your orders and your allocations and be optimistic about the 2023s. They will come. And for those asking where I'm getting this info from the GM at a very reputable dealer confirmed that this is the exact message from MB USA president.
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See links:
https://www.businessinsider.com/merc...andemic-2020-9
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...except-s-class
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suspending the north America market.....still manufacturing them in ROW (MY2022)
With current demand I'm sure they will not miss a beat, and probably make more money since a G wagon overseas sells for much more
Leads you to think its not a chip shortage, but an emissions play
My guess is when they come back they get a decent price adjustment, to account for inflation....and possibly a revised powertrain (maybe a G580 with the S class engine).....but again just a guess
With current demand I'm sure they will not miss a beat, and probably make more money since a G wagon overseas sells for much more
Leads you to think its not a chip shortage, but an emissions play
My guess is when they come back they get a decent price adjustment, to account for inflation....and possibly a revised powertrain (maybe a G580 with the S class engine).....but again just a guess
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suspending the north America market.....still manufacturing them in ROW (MY2022)
With current demand I'm sure they will not miss a beat, and probably make more money since a G wagon overseas sells for much more
Leads you to think its not a chip shortage, but an emissions play
My guess is when they come back they get a decent price adjustment, to account for inflation....and possibly a revised powertrain (maybe a G580 with the S class engine).....but again just a guess
With current demand I'm sure they will not miss a beat, and probably make more money since a G wagon overseas sells for much more
Leads you to think its not a chip shortage, but an emissions play
My guess is when they come back they get a decent price adjustment, to account for inflation....and possibly a revised powertrain (maybe a G580 with the S class engine).....but again just a guess
G550 already uses the same 4.0 V8 as in the S580.
S580 just has the eq boost thing missing in the G550.
G63 uses the same engine that the S63 used to use so I would wonder if they are planing on keeping the V8 and moving into a hybrid model like the new GT63S E performance.
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Just a small bit of clarity...
1. the comments "Just released 21 Dec allocations" - frankly that News is about 7 weeks "late"
2. The comments circling "Power Train Update" are most likely closer to what will end up happening - like AMG version of Super-Eco-Boost "could be" the "secret" with MB re-pricing the AMG Premium Segment behind that
3. ALL MB is on lockdown on any Comment - I mean total lockdown - MB USA dealer meeting in October is where I suspect more will be revealed
1. the comments "Just released 21 Dec allocations" - frankly that News is about 7 weeks "late"
2. The comments circling "Power Train Update" are most likely closer to what will end up happening - like AMG version of Super-Eco-Boost "could be" the "secret" with MB re-pricing the AMG Premium Segment behind that
3. ALL MB is on lockdown on any Comment - I mean total lockdown - MB USA dealer meeting in October is where I suspect more will be revealed
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Received notice on 09/07 that production of our 2021 G63 was completed. Will take deliver sometime next month. I was told that production of the 2021 will stop by end of Dec.
Obviously there are a lot of rumors and speculation regarding the cause of the suspension for 2022 as well as what we can expect for MY2023.
This is just what I was told but MB dealers are expecting to pick up where they left off this time next year and don’t expect any changes to the MY2023 from what was announced for MY2022. The best way to think of the current situation is a 6-9 month long pause.
Basically what ever was on the PDF showing changes for MY2022 released a few months ago is what we will see for MY2023 and maybe a few new options. Anything but the V8 is also very unlikely as we have not been seeing G test mules running around which would be the first indicator of a major change. That sort of testing would need to start yesterday in order to be ready a year from now for production.
I do think some sort of V6/hybrid/turbo is inevitable but I would be shocked if this not at least 2 years away. You can’t just slap a new motor in a car without extensive road testing.
If MB was forced to suspend 2022 production over the V8 availability/compliance which resulted in a new motor being selected, we would likely be looking at a multi-year delay instead of less than 12 months.
Obviously there are a lot of rumors and speculation regarding the cause of the suspension for 2022 as well as what we can expect for MY2023.
This is just what I was told but MB dealers are expecting to pick up where they left off this time next year and don’t expect any changes to the MY2023 from what was announced for MY2022. The best way to think of the current situation is a 6-9 month long pause.
Basically what ever was on the PDF showing changes for MY2022 released a few months ago is what we will see for MY2023 and maybe a few new options. Anything but the V8 is also very unlikely as we have not been seeing G test mules running around which would be the first indicator of a major change. That sort of testing would need to start yesterday in order to be ready a year from now for production.
I do think some sort of V6/hybrid/turbo is inevitable but I would be shocked if this not at least 2 years away. You can’t just slap a new motor in a car without extensive road testing.
If MB was forced to suspend 2022 production over the V8 availability/compliance which resulted in a new motor being selected, we would likely be looking at a multi-year delay instead of less than 12 months.
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Received notice on 09/07 that production of our 2021 G63 was completed. Will take deliver sometime next month. I was told that production of the 2021 will stop by end of Dec.
Obviously there are a lot of rumors and speculation regarding the cause of the suspension for 2022 as well as what we can expect for MY2023.
This is just what I was told but MB dealers are expecting to pick up where they left off this time next year and don’t expect any changes to the MY2023 from what was announced for MY2022. The best way to think of the current situation is a 6-9 month long pause.
Basically what ever was on the PDF showing changes for MY2022 released a few months ago is what we will see for MY2023 and maybe a few new options. Anything but the V8 is also very unlikely as we have not been seeing G test mules running around which would be the first indicator of a major change. That sort of testing would need to start yesterday in order to be ready a year from now for production.
I do think some sort of V6/hybrid/turbo is inevitable but I would be shocked if this not at least 2 years away. You can’t just slap a new motor in a car without extensive road testing.
If MB was forced to suspend 2022 production over the V8 availability/compliance which resulted in a new motor being selected, we would likely be looking at a multi-year delay instead of less than 12 months.
Obviously there are a lot of rumors and speculation regarding the cause of the suspension for 2022 as well as what we can expect for MY2023.
This is just what I was told but MB dealers are expecting to pick up where they left off this time next year and don’t expect any changes to the MY2023 from what was announced for MY2022. The best way to think of the current situation is a 6-9 month long pause.
Basically what ever was on the PDF showing changes for MY2022 released a few months ago is what we will see for MY2023 and maybe a few new options. Anything but the V8 is also very unlikely as we have not been seeing G test mules running around which would be the first indicator of a major change. That sort of testing would need to start yesterday in order to be ready a year from now for production.
I do think some sort of V6/hybrid/turbo is inevitable but I would be shocked if this not at least 2 years away. You can’t just slap a new motor in a car without extensive road testing.
If MB was forced to suspend 2022 production over the V8 availability/compliance which resulted in a new motor being selected, we would likely be looking at a multi-year delay instead of less than 12 months.
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Seeing as our G63 was completed nearly 2 weeks ago and I haven’t received any shipping dates yet, I would estimate 4-8 weeks is more likely.
I was also told there have been some delays recently with shipping but no more details on what is causing those delays.
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This is why the most plausible explanation for suspending production is EPA compliance issues. Requirements change in 2022, and any vehicle designated MY2022 or built in 2022 has to be compliant with 2022 rules. Otherwise MB could continue making MY2021 vehicles into 2022 and beyond. Normally MB transitions to new MY in Ocober builds, but this year continues with MY 2021 through year-end.
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I’m in Chicago but was told end of Oct was most likely.
Seeing as our G63 was completed nearly 2 weeks ago and I haven’t received any shipping dates yet, I would estimate 4-8 weeks is more likely.
I was also told there have been some delays recently with shipping but no more details on what is causing those delays.
Seeing as our G63 was completed nearly 2 weeks ago and I haven’t received any shipping dates yet, I would estimate 4-8 weeks is more likely.
I was also told there have been some delays recently with shipping but no more details on what is causing those delays.
My G550 was built on 8/26 and dealer told me it was on the boat by 9/14. Didnt give me a date on when it will arrive. I’m in central FL. Not sure if it will come into Jacksonville or Miami.
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I think it goes to Brunswick, GA and is trucked down I-95.
I'd mentally bank on the time frame of the car being built to taking delivery at dealer being 2 months. If sooner be pleasantly surprised!
I'd mentally bank on the time frame of the car being built to taking delivery at dealer being 2 months. If sooner be pleasantly surprised!
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This is why the most plausible explanation for suspending production is EPA compliance issues. Requirements change in 2022, and any vehicle designated MY2022 or built in 2022 has to be compliant with 2022 rules. Otherwise MB could continue making MY2021 vehicles into 2022 and beyond. Normally MB transitions to new MY in Ocober builds, but this year continues with MY 2021 through year-end.
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Mar. 31, 2020: NHTSA and EPA finalize CAFE and carbon dioxide emissions standards for model years 2021-2026
"The Safer Affordable Fuel-Efficient (SAFE) Vehicles Rule, issued today by NHTSA and EPA, sets tough but feasible fuel economy and carbon dioxide standards that increase 1.5% in stringency each year from model years 2021 through 2026. These standards apply to both passenger cars and light trucks, and will continue our nation’s progress toward energy independence and carbon dioxide reduction, while recognizing the realities of the marketplace and consumers’ interest in buying vehicles that meet all of their diverse needs."
According to this, a vehicle designed to (and achieving only) 2021 standards couldn't be manufactured or sold in 2022. If the MY2021 meets 2022 standards, then it needs to be designated MY2022.
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There are probably others but my bet would be on the regulations around issuing VIN's. It's my understanding that the VIN can not be issued during the following year of the model year in which it represents.
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Under 49 CFR 565.6(d)(1), manufacturers are directed to include a character for model year as the first character of the fourth section of the VIN, with the year-specific alphanumeric code drawn from Table VI of that section. Under 49 CFR 565.3(j), the term "model year" is defined as "the year used to designate a discrete vehicle model, irrespective of the calendar year in which the vehicle was actually produced, so long as the actual period is less than two calendar years."
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Porsche has made many limited production models over the years, and for it there might be an advantage to designating the entire series as a single MY even if the cars are made and sold over a couple of years. But most manufacturers can't wait to slap the next year designation onto a vehicle. And forum members here need to have a 2023 instead of a 2021 "just 'cuz", even if there are few, if any, differences. But a manufacturer can't resume making a model from 1965 as a way to circumvent all the regulatory compliance requirements invoked over the past 56 years.
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Porsche has made many limited production models over the years, and for it there might be an advantage to designating the entire series as a single MY even if the cars are made and sold over a couple of years. But most manufacturers can't wait to slap the next year designation onto a vehicle. And forum members here need to have a 2023 instead of a 2021 "just 'cuz", even if there are few, if any, differences. But a manufacturer can't resume making a model from 1965 as a way to circumvent all the regulatory compliance requirements invoked over the past 56 years.
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The MBUSA press release was nothing more than convoluted gibberish. If the problem is semiconductor shortages, MBUSA would own up to it just as every other manufacturer has, and the production hold would be global, not just North America. More likely, the halt is caused by regulatory issues -- either the V8 isn't meeting emissions and mpg requirements, or the V8 is diluting fleet-wide statistics. Either way, the V8 is on hold, and MB can't circumvent compliance requirements for calendar year 2022 by continuing to make MY2021 vehicles into 2022 and claim "these cars don't count in 2022 because they're MY2021's". MB isn't transitioning to MY2022 designated V8s next month for the remaining 3 months of 2021, so that these vehicles are counted in 2021 requirements, and not in 2022's.
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The MBUSA press release was nothing more than convoluted gibberish. If the problem is semiconductor shortages, MBUSA would own up to it just as every other manufacturer has, and the production hold would be global, not just North America. More likely, the halt is caused by regulatory issues -- either the V8 isn't meeting emissions and mpg requirements, or the V8 is diluting fleet-wide statistics. Either way, the V8 is on hold, and MB can't circumvent compliance requirements for calendar year 2022 by continuing to make MY2021 vehicles into 2022 and claim "these cars don't count in 2022 because they're MY2021's". MB isn't transitioning to MY2022 designated V8s next month for the remaining 3 months of 2021, so that these vehicles are counted in 2021 requirements, and not in 2022's.
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If this is the cause, it reduces to a compliance issue since cylinder deactivation is used to infer an mpg rating. Cylinder deactivation is not essential to engine operation, and as I understand matters, isn't effected in Sport modes.
