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How: Disconnected the low-pressure oil pump solenoid on my m276 (2013 GLK 350)...
Solved:
- Engine rattle on startup (when hot)
- Low rpm rattle when driving around town
+ And the engine feels more responsive and smoother
I'll report back if any fuel economy change, but regardless I am leaving it unplugged. The engine feels much healthier and just like it should from the factory...
Pretty shocking, wanted to share. I was thinking about upgrade the timing chain tensioners... not anymore.
More info:
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...solenoids.html
Solved:
- Engine rattle on startup (when hot)
- Low rpm rattle when driving around town
+ And the engine feels more responsive and smoother
I'll report back if any fuel economy change, but regardless I am leaving it unplugged. The engine feels much healthier and just like it should from the factory...
Pretty shocking, wanted to share. I was thinking about upgrade the timing chain tensioners... not anymore.
More info:
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...solenoids.html
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Solved:
- Engine rattle on startup (when hot)
- Low rpm rattle when driving around town
+ And the engine feels more responsive and smoother
I'll report back if any fuel economy change, but regardless I am leaving it unplugged. The engine feels much healthier and just like it should from the factory...
Pretty shocking, wanted to share. I was thinking about upgrade the timing chain tensioners... not anymore.
More info:
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...solenoids.html
Originally Posted by Bertie_
How: Disconnected the low-pressure oil pump solenoid on my m276 (2013 GLK 350)...Solved:
- Engine rattle on startup (when hot)
- Low rpm rattle when driving around town
+ And the engine feels more responsive and smoother
I'll report back if any fuel economy change, but regardless I am leaving it unplugged. The engine feels much healthier and just like it should from the factory...
Pretty shocking, wanted to share. I was thinking about upgrade the timing chain tensioners... not anymore.
More info:
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...solenoids.html
Interesting concept. Another case where chasing tiny incremental improvements in gas mileage (to meet CAFE standards) causes MUCH bigger problems than it solves.
My only question is, is there a similar (bad) system on the M272 engine? It seems to be devoid of most of the issues of the later version engines, and of course, the GLK never had an issue with the balance shaft problem since that was sorted by 2008...
My only question is, is there a similar (bad) system on the M272 engine? It seems to be devoid of most of the issues of the later version engines, and of course, the GLK never had an issue with the balance shaft problem since that was sorted by 2008...
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The m276 has TSB's on startup rattle for pre-2014 models
I had the symptoms and my engine falls within the "replace timing chain tensioner and check valve"
Deactivating this low-pressure solenoid just fixed it
I had the symptoms and my engine falls within the "replace timing chain tensioner and check valve"
Deactivating this low-pressure solenoid just fixed it
How did you figure it out? The oil pump is mechanical right, how can it be controlled ? Where is the sensor ? I have a 13 with some noise.
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Hmmm. There are folks with 2014+ reporting the sameOriginally Posted by Bertie_
The m276 has TSB's on startup rattle for pre-2014 models
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What about this example (I may have misunderstood the diff):Originally Posted by Bertie_
I had the symptoms and my engine falls within the "replace timing chain tensioner and check valve"
https://mbworld.org/forums/glk-class...-rattle-2.html
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There's an old saying, "only time will tell". 🙂Originally Posted by Bertie_
Deactivating this low-pressure solenoid just fixed it
Where's confident evidence this works for others IN THE LONG TERM?? Doing this disconnect "fix" may alleviate the noise, but not the underlying issue
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I just read this: https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...solenoids.htmlOriginally Posted by Mmr1
How did you figure it out? The oil pump is mechanical right, how can it be controlled ? Where is the sensor ? I have a 13 with some noise.
and made a decision for myself
Running at "normal" oil pressure has solved these problems for me
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What about this example (I may have misunderstood the diff):
https://mbworld.org/forums/glk-class...-rattle-2.html
There's an old saying, "only time will tell". 🙂
Where's confident evidence this works for others IN THE LONG TERM?? Doing this disconnect "fix" may alleviate the noise, but not the underlying issue
Time will tell... the chain tension and VVT are all oil pressure drivenOriginally Posted by calder-cay
Hmmm. There are folks with 2014+ reporting the sameWhat about this example (I may have misunderstood the diff):
https://mbworld.org/forums/glk-class...-rattle-2.html
There's an old saying, "only time will tell". 🙂
Where's confident evidence this works for others IN THE LONG TERM?? Doing this disconnect "fix" may alleviate the noise, but not the underlying issue
Car is running great and I'm happy
Will provide an update if I ever notice symptoms return
Until then, I'm happy to be running "normal" oil pressure
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ExploreFrom everything I read, it sure seems like a safe and sensible "modification". Basically all you're doing is to eliminate the "low oil pressure operation" of the engine under certain conditions. And given the issues that the M276 has with oiling, that can only be a good thing (IMHO, YMMV).
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FWIW these are the benefits I had when I first unplugged it: https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...ml#post8963720Originally Posted by habbyguy
From everything I read, it sure seems like a safe and sensible "modification". Basically all you're doing is to eliminate the "low oil pressure operation" of the engine under certain conditions. And given the issues that the M276 has with oiling, that can only be a good thing (IMHO, YMMV).
Different vehicle but same engine.
Here is the survey (linked in the big thread) of people with different models and engines unplugged: https://forms.office.com/Pages/Analy...g1Mkw1WkJVNS4u
The linked threads (very long) do show diagrams of the location of the sensor. Looks like it's just to the right (car's right) of the crankshaft pulley, and reached from underneath (only). There are photos and diagrams showing the location.
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Originally Posted by Mmr1
How do I unplug sensor 2013 Glk 350
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This is correct, depending on if you have 4MATIC or not, you might be able to do it from the top here are some helpful links I gathered: https://mbworld.org/forums/c450-c43-...ml#post8979570Originally Posted by habbyguy
The linked threads (very long) do show diagrams of the location of the sensor. Looks like it's just to the right (car's right) of the crankshaft pulley, and reached from underneath (only). There are photos and diagrams showing the location.
I guess the low pressure is so pressure is kept low when motor is cold to not over pressure if you drive hard. Does this go bad?
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I think it's entirely a fuel economy thing
Low pressure is ~25psi, "normal" pressure is ~55psi
Low pressure is ~25psi, "normal" pressure is ~55psi
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If you go from underneath, after removing the underbody panels, it is very easy to access.
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Originally Posted by Mmr1
I guess the low pressure is so pressure is kept low when motor is cold to not over pressure if you drive hard. Does this go bad?
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Low pressure is ~25psi, "normal" pressure is ~55psi
Originally Posted by Bertie_
I think it's entirely a fuel economy thingLow pressure is ~25psi, "normal" pressure is ~55psi
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Please see the big thread: https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...enoids-96.htmlOriginally Posted by Bertie_
If you go from underneath, after removing the underbody panels, it is very easy to access.
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Update: Car runs great.
No noticeable difference to fuel economy.
No rattle noises on startup and more responsive acceleration at low RPMs
No noticeable difference to fuel economy.
No rattle noises on startup and more responsive acceleration at low RPMs
This is why I want to measure oil pressure , I have same noise , it’s gone when warmed up but how much damage has been done already? Probably an expensive amount
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.Originally Posted by Mmr1
This is why I want to measure oil pressure , I have same noise , it’s gone when warmed up
And this quote from Post #15 in this thread:
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====> Low pressure is ~25psi, "normal" pressure is ~55psi <====
Hey, @Bertie_ ... so, since you know you're getting 25psi and 55psi, why not provide the tools / parts and the steps required to determine the engine oil pressure, since other folks out here are trying to get the psi (?).Originally Posted by Bertie_
I think it's entirely a fuel economy thing.
====> Low pressure is ~25psi, "normal" pressure is ~55psi <====
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No noticeable difference to fuel economy.
No rattle noises on startup and more responsive acceleration at low RPMs
Beautiful glad you are enjoying the mod. Originally Posted by Bertie_
Update: Car runs great.No noticeable difference to fuel economy.
No rattle noises on startup and more responsive acceleration at low RPMs
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Does this "mod" result in any perpetual warning light(s) on the dash? Just curious, since I don't have a gasser.
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nope only a soft code. CEL only on model year 2019 and + MBs as well as most S-Class vehicles. Originally Posted by andreigbs
Does this "mod" result in any perpetual warning light(s) on the dash? Just curious, since I don't have a gasser.
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No noticeable difference to fuel economy.
No rattle noises on startup and more responsive acceleration at low RPMs
OP, here is something else (yes, another mod) you could consider as well, I want to do it but my connector is weird, maybe yours is more normal and you can enjoy it instead: https://mbworld.org/forums/mercedes-...s-voltage.htmlOriginally Posted by Bertie_
Update: Car runs great.No noticeable difference to fuel economy.
No rattle noises on startup and more responsive acceleration at low RPMs
I have a C350 2013 (M276) with startup rattle as well, and my engine also falls under the "replace chain tensioner and install check valve" category.
Might try this mod, since it fixed the startup rattle for you.
You still haven't replaced chain tensioners and installed check valve, right?
Another suggestion I got from a retired Mercedes mechanic was to try thicker motor oil.
Might try this mod, since it fixed the startup rattle for you.
You still haven't replaced chain tensioners and installed check valve, right?
Another suggestion I got from a retired Mercedes mechanic was to try thicker motor oil.






