SOLVED - Engine rattle on startup, timing chain rattle on low rpm driving

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Nov 29, 2024 | 12:21 PM
  #1  
How: Disconnected the low-pressure oil pump solenoid on my m276 (2013 GLK 350)...

Solved:
- Engine rattle on startup (when hot)
- Low rpm rattle when driving around town

+ And the engine feels more responsive and smoother

I'll report back if any fuel economy change, but regardless I am leaving it unplugged. The engine feels much healthier and just like it should from the factory...

Pretty shocking, wanted to share. I was thinking about upgrade the timing chain tensioners... not anymore.

More info:
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...solenoids.html
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Nov 29, 2024 | 12:31 PM
  #2  
Quote: How: Disconnected the low-pressure oil pump solenoid on my m276 (2013 GLK 350)...

Solved:
- Engine rattle on startup (when hot)
- Low rpm rattle when driving around town

+ And the engine feels more responsive and smoother

I'll report back if any fuel economy change, but regardless I am leaving it unplugged. The engine feels much healthier and just like it should from the factory...

Pretty shocking, wanted to share. I was thinking about upgrade the timing chain tensioners... not anymore.

More info:
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...solenoids.html
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Nov 29, 2024 | 02:11 PM
  #3  
Interesting concept. Another case where chasing tiny incremental improvements in gas mileage (to meet CAFE standards) causes MUCH bigger problems than it solves.

My only question is, is there a similar (bad) system on the M272 engine? It seems to be devoid of most of the issues of the later version engines, and of course, the GLK never had an issue with the balance shaft problem since that was sorted by 2008...
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Nov 29, 2024 | 02:20 PM
  #4  
The m276 has TSB's on startup rattle for pre-2014 models

I had the symptoms and my engine falls within the "replace timing chain tensioner and check valve"

Deactivating this low-pressure solenoid just fixed it
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Nov 29, 2024 | 02:40 PM
  #5  
How did you figure it out? The oil pump is mechanical right, how can it be controlled ? Where is the sensor ? I have a 13 with some noise.
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Nov 29, 2024 | 02:45 PM
  #6  
Quote: The m276 has TSB's on startup rattle for pre-2014 models
Hmmm. There are folks with 2014+ reporting the same

Quote: I had the symptoms and my engine falls within the "replace timing chain tensioner and check valve"
What about this example (I may have misunderstood the diff):

https://mbworld.org/forums/glk-class...-rattle-2.html

Quote: Deactivating this low-pressure solenoid just fixed it
There's an old saying, "only time will tell". 🙂

Where's confident evidence this works for others IN THE LONG TERM?? Doing this disconnect "fix" may alleviate the noise, but not the underlying issue
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Nov 29, 2024 | 03:01 PM
  #7  
Quote: How did you figure it out? The oil pump is mechanical right, how can it be controlled ? Where is the sensor ? I have a 13 with some noise.
I just read this: https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...solenoids.html

and made a decision for myself

Running at "normal" oil pressure has solved these problems for me
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Nov 29, 2024 | 03:02 PM
  #8  
Quote: Hmmm. There are folks with 2014+ reporting the same



What about this example (I may have misunderstood the diff):

https://mbworld.org/forums/glk-class...-rattle-2.html



There's an old saying, "only time will tell". 🙂

Where's confident evidence this works for others IN THE LONG TERM?? Doing this disconnect "fix" may alleviate the noise, but not the underlying issue
Time will tell... the chain tension and VVT are all oil pressure driven

Car is running great and I'm happy

Will provide an update if I ever notice symptoms return

Until then, I'm happy to be running "normal" oil pressure
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Nov 29, 2024 | 04:19 PM
  #9  
From everything I read, it sure seems like a safe and sensible "modification". Basically all you're doing is to eliminate the "low oil pressure operation" of the engine under certain conditions. And given the issues that the M276 has with oiling, that can only be a good thing (IMHO, YMMV).
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Nov 29, 2024 | 04:25 PM
  #10  
Quote: From everything I read, it sure seems like a safe and sensible "modification". Basically all you're doing is to eliminate the "low oil pressure operation" of the engine under certain conditions. And given the issues that the M276 has with oiling, that can only be a good thing (IMHO, YMMV).
FWIW these are the benefits I had when I first unplugged it: https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...ml#post8963720

Different vehicle but same engine.

Here is the survey (linked in the big thread) of people with different models and engines unplugged: https://forms.office.com/Pages/Analy...g1Mkw1WkJVNS4u
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Nov 29, 2024 | 04:29 PM
  #11  
How do I unplug sensor 2013 Glk 350
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Nov 29, 2024 | 04:51 PM
  #12  
The linked threads (very long) do show diagrams of the location of the sensor. Looks like it's just to the right (car's right) of the crankshaft pulley, and reached from underneath (only). There are photos and diagrams showing the location.
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Nov 29, 2024 | 05:10 PM
  #13  
Quote: How do I unplug sensor 2013 Glk 350
Quote: The linked threads (very long) do show diagrams of the location of the sensor. Looks like it's just to the right (car's right) of the crankshaft pulley, and reached from underneath (only). There are photos and diagrams showing the location.
This is correct, depending on if you have 4MATIC or not, you might be able to do it from the top here are some helpful links I gathered: https://mbworld.org/forums/c450-c43-...ml#post8979570
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Nov 29, 2024 | 08:59 PM
  #14  
I guess the low pressure is so pressure is kept low when motor is cold to not over pressure if you drive hard. Does this go bad?
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Nov 29, 2024 | 09:53 PM
  #15  
I think it's entirely a fuel economy thing

Low pressure is ~25psi, "normal" pressure is ~55psi
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Nov 29, 2024 | 09:54 PM
  #16  
If you go from underneath, after removing the underbody panels, it is very easy to access.
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Nov 30, 2024 | 11:23 AM
  #17  
Quote: I guess the low pressure is so pressure is kept low when motor is cold to not over pressure if you drive hard. Does this go bad?
Quote: I think it's entirely a fuel economy thing

Low pressure is ~25psi, "normal" pressure is ~55psi
Quote: If you go from underneath, after removing the underbody panels, it is very easy to access.
Please see the big thread: https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...enoids-96.html
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Jan 15, 2025 | 10:02 AM
  #18  
Update: Car runs great.

No noticeable difference to fuel economy.

No rattle noises on startup and more responsive acceleration at low RPMs
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Jan 15, 2025 | 10:22 AM
  #19  
This is why I want to measure oil pressure , I have same noise , it’s gone when warmed up but how much damage has been done already? Probably an expensive amount
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Jan 15, 2025 | 10:46 AM
  #20  
Quote: This is why I want to measure oil pressure , I have same noise , it’s gone when warmed up
.
And this quote from Post #15 in this thread:
Quote: I think it's entirely a fuel economy thing
.
====> Low pressure is ~25psi, "normal" pressure is ~55psi <====
Hey, @Bertie_ ... so, since you know you're getting 25psi and 55psi, why not provide the tools / parts and the steps required to determine the engine oil pressure, since other folks out here are trying to get the psi (?).
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Jan 15, 2025 | 11:16 AM
  #21  
Quote: Update: Car runs great.

No noticeable difference to fuel economy.

No rattle noises on startup and more responsive acceleration at low RPMs
Beautiful glad you are enjoying the mod.
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Jan 15, 2025 | 02:58 PM
  #22  
Does this "mod" result in any perpetual warning light(s) on the dash? Just curious, since I don't have a gasser.
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Jan 15, 2025 | 04:00 PM
  #23  
Quote: Does this "mod" result in any perpetual warning light(s) on the dash? Just curious, since I don't have a gasser.
nope only a soft code. CEL only on model year 2019 and + MBs as well as most S-Class vehicles.
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Jan 16, 2025 | 05:30 PM
  #24  
Quote: Update: Car runs great.

No noticeable difference to fuel economy.

No rattle noises on startup and more responsive acceleration at low RPMs
OP, here is something else (yes, another mod) you could consider as well, I want to do it but my connector is weird, maybe yours is more normal and you can enjoy it instead: https://mbworld.org/forums/mercedes-...s-voltage.html
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Jul 10, 2025 | 09:31 AM
  #25  
I have a C350 2013 (M276) with startup rattle as well, and my engine also falls under the "replace chain tensioner and install check valve" category.

Might try this mod, since it fixed the startup rattle for you.

You still haven't replaced chain tensioners and installed check valve, right?

Another suggestion I got from a retired Mercedes mechanic was to try thicker motor oil.

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