2000 S500 RAZOR cell phone connection question
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2000 S500 RAZOR cell phone connection question
Hi all,
I have a 2000 S500 that has a connector for a phone that doesnt fit my razor.
My question is what are my options for connection razor to the internal car phone system?
I will take any suggestion whether it is a physical connection through a different assembly w/ wire
or
some sort of bluetooth option ?
thanks in advance
VB
I have a 2000 S500 that has a connector for a phone that doesnt fit my razor.
My question is what are my options for connection razor to the internal car phone system?
I will take any suggestion whether it is a physical connection through a different assembly w/ wire
or
some sort of bluetooth option ?
thanks in advance
VB
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Welcome to the forum.
See posts 1 and 3 at https://mbworld.org/forums/audio-ele...ml#post2788377. Basically, your approach is to determine whether you have a "blue label PSE" as described in post #3. If you do have one, all you need is the Cradle Eliminator cable and a V60 Bluetooth puck. If not, you also need to replace your PSE with a Universal PSE.
See posts 1 and 3 at https://mbworld.org/forums/audio-ele...ml#post2788377. Basically, your approach is to determine whether you have a "blue label PSE" as described in post #3. If you do have one, all you need is the Cradle Eliminator cable and a V60 Bluetooth puck. If not, you also need to replace your PSE with a Universal PSE.
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Thank you very much for the quick response. I have breezed through the thread numbers mentioned.
One more question.
If I just wanted to go "old school" and just physically connect my razr to the wire - can I just get the right wire for razr instead of wrong one that is there?
In other words WITHOUT bluetooth - just a physical connection that allows me to use the current phone system setup that was installed in 2000?
Thanks again
VB
One more question.
If I just wanted to go "old school" and just physically connect my razr to the wire - can I just get the right wire for razr instead of wrong one that is there?
In other words WITHOUT bluetooth - just a physical connection that allows me to use the current phone system setup that was installed in 2000?
Thanks again
VB
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Thanks Sky. It is appreciated.
edit: Update
Does this cover me for the upgrade to bluetooth?
http://cgi.ebay.com/MERCEDES-BENZ-V6...QQcmdZViewItem
Thanks again
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It is only part of what you need. Again, you need to determine what you already have to then determine whether you need a Universal PSE, or can continue to use the PSE you currently have. In either case, you will also need a V60 puck. This was explained in the references in my previous responses.
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It is only part of what you need. Again, you need to determine what you already have to then determine whether you need a Universal PSE, or can continue to use the PSE you currently have. In either case, you will also need a V60 puck. This was explained in the references in my previous responses.
Just to review.
1. Determine whether I can use the PSE that is currently installed - What am I doing to verify/identify this? If I cant use the current one then I need to get Universal - I got that part.
2. I will need 3 parts:
1.) the v60 puck and
2.) the bluetoooth phone cradle eliminator
3.) universal PSE if necessary
I know there is alot of text that you have reference for me. I have read myself into confusion and cant find some details.
So if you can give me a quick to do list it would be GREATLY appreciated.
Thanks Sky!
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Your list is accurate.
To identify the kind of PSE you already have, use the imbedded link to the phone bulletin for your car; the bulletin will show you exactly where the PSE is in the trunk. Use the bulletin.
Once you are there, I described how to tell if it is a "blue label" PSE. You have to physically look at the label on the PSE (or look for a blue dot sticker close to the label). I don't know of any other way to do it. If it has the blue mark on the label, or the blue dot, put it back in, and use it. If not, you need the Universal PSE to replace your old PSE. If the PSE needs to be replaced, reading the phone bulletin should make it obvious as to how to do it.
The parts you purchase, such as the Cradle Eliminator Cable and the V560 PSE should have installation instructions. I don't have them.
I simply do not have the time to write out a "quick to-do list" for each person who asks. It's not "quick" for me, and I used to get many such requests. That's why I wrote the "How-To Guide" (understand, the same guide is on BenzWorld, and between the two there have been over 100,000 views, including the 27,00 or so that don't show after MBWorld accidentally dumped it). Creating the guide (and re-creating it once) took a huge amount of time, so I ask you to try your best to use it. Unfortunately it covers nearly every situation for systems from '00 through '06, so yes, it is long and complex - but we have focused you where you need to be.
To identify the kind of PSE you already have, use the imbedded link to the phone bulletin for your car; the bulletin will show you exactly where the PSE is in the trunk. Use the bulletin.
Once you are there, I described how to tell if it is a "blue label" PSE. You have to physically look at the label on the PSE (or look for a blue dot sticker close to the label). I don't know of any other way to do it. If it has the blue mark on the label, or the blue dot, put it back in, and use it. If not, you need the Universal PSE to replace your old PSE. If the PSE needs to be replaced, reading the phone bulletin should make it obvious as to how to do it.
The parts you purchase, such as the Cradle Eliminator Cable and the V560 PSE should have installation instructions. I don't have them.
I simply do not have the time to write out a "quick to-do list" for each person who asks. It's not "quick" for me, and I used to get many such requests. That's why I wrote the "How-To Guide" (understand, the same guide is on BenzWorld, and between the two there have been over 100,000 views, including the 27,00 or so that don't show after MBWorld accidentally dumped it). Creating the guide (and re-creating it once) took a huge amount of time, so I ask you to try your best to use it. Unfortunately it covers nearly every situation for systems from '00 through '06, so yes, it is long and complex - but we have focused you where you need to be.
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Your list is accurate.
To identify the kind of PSE you already have, use the imbedded link to the phone bulletin for your car; the bulletin will show you exactly where the PSE is in the trunk. Use the bulletin.
Once you are there, I described how to tell if it is a "blue label" PSE. You have to physically look at the label on the PSE (or look for a blue dot sticker close to the label). I don't know of any other way to do it. If it has the blue mark on the label, or the blue dot, put it back in, and use it. If not, you need the Universal PSE to replace your old PSE. If the PSE needs to be replaced, reading the phone bulletin should make it obvious as to how to do it.
The parts you purchase, such as the Cradle Eliminator Cable and the V560 PSE should have installation instructions. I don't have them.
I simply do not have the time to write out a "quick to-do list" for each person who asks. It's not "quick" for me, and I used to get many such requests. That's why I wrote the "How-To Guide" (understand, the same guide is on BenzWorld, and between the two there have been over 100,000 views, including the 27,00 or so that don't show after MBWorld accidentally dumped it). Creating the guide (and re-creating it once) took a huge amount of time, so I ask you to try your best to use it. Unfortunately it covers nearly every situation for systems from '00 through '06, so yes, it is long and complex - but we have focused you where you need to be.
To identify the kind of PSE you already have, use the imbedded link to the phone bulletin for your car; the bulletin will show you exactly where the PSE is in the trunk. Use the bulletin.
Once you are there, I described how to tell if it is a "blue label" PSE. You have to physically look at the label on the PSE (or look for a blue dot sticker close to the label). I don't know of any other way to do it. If it has the blue mark on the label, or the blue dot, put it back in, and use it. If not, you need the Universal PSE to replace your old PSE. If the PSE needs to be replaced, reading the phone bulletin should make it obvious as to how to do it.
The parts you purchase, such as the Cradle Eliminator Cable and the V560 PSE should have installation instructions. I don't have them.
I simply do not have the time to write out a "quick to-do list" for each person who asks. It's not "quick" for me, and I used to get many such requests. That's why I wrote the "How-To Guide" (understand, the same guide is on BenzWorld, and between the two there have been over 100,000 views, including the 27,00 or so that don't show after MBWorld accidentally dumped it). Creating the guide (and re-creating it once) took a huge amount of time, so I ask you to try your best to use it. Unfortunately it covers nearly every situation for systems from '00 through '06, so yes, it is long and complex - but we have focused you where you need to be.
Did you mean V60 or V560?
Ok. Here is my update.
So I detached the components from the wheel well to get a good visual on the PSE.
It is for the most part just a black box with one white sticker on it that reads "PSE".
The numbers on the PSE are:
TANAPA: SYN0234C
Serial #: 769114
SKN4979A
The connector has a white label = 865514 99266
Per your post - there is no blue sticker or blue label or anything blue so I will need the Universal PSE. Confirmed!
(Oh BTW it has the Voice Recognition box already. That should work when all other parts are in place?)
So its a triple play.
I will need 3 parts:
1.) the v60 puck and
2.) the bluetoooth phone cradle eliminator
3.) universal PSE if necessary
I noticed in your sig that you had the same car. the 2000 S500.
I also use an ipod. Currently in the dash with a cassette with wire. What in addition to the list or in place of on the list to go with bluetooth phone and ipod.
Thanks again for working with me.
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Glad you caught my typo; it is definitely a V60 Bluetooth puck.
The SYN indicates you have a StarTac PSE that would have been original to the car. Without the blue dot or the blue magic marker stripe on the label, I do not believe it will work with just the cradle eliminator.
It has one designation that I have not seen - the "C" after the SYN designation. Most units I have known of were A or B. There is a chance (and only a chance) that the "C" designation indicates the firmware upgrade that got the blue marking in the first place - but I simply do not know. It is the firmware upgrade, done long ago, that allows many of the older PSEs to continue to be used with the V60 puck.
You could try using the Cradle Eliminator Cable and V60 puck with the current PSE; if it works, it saves you $$. If not, you need the Universal PSE too.
The original StarTac PSE did not provide caller ID. I replaced mine with a TimePort PSE when I installed a MikBox, just to get that feature. If the PSE you have works with the V60 puck, but doesn't provide caller ID, you'd need to go to the Universal PSE to get it.
As for iPod integration, I like the Dension Gateway 500; you would need the D2B version. Because of limitation on the D2B COMAND units, you will not see song titles displayed; you will get track number only. However, there is a mode provided that lets you select your music on the iPod itself, and then you have your steering wheel buttons for volume and for advancing/backing up through tracks. If you organize your music into playlists, it works out pretty well. You also have random play or the option of just letting it play your whole library (of course, you can also sort by album or artist).
The Gateway 500 provides a direct feed into your audio system's fiber optics. Sound quality is superb, especially when you have your music in high-quality formats (I have few mp3s - I mainly use Apple Lossless or the original CD's AIFF formats). Music is also paused for calls, and plays again after they are ended. Sound is reduced so you can hear nav instructions.
My installation in the '05 is at https://mbworld.org/forums/audio-ele...mentation.html - but be aware of 2 things - it is a MOST installation, so I do get song title and artist display; and your D2B installation would be MUCH simpler than mine (you do not have to make any fiber optics wiring changes in the trunk).
The MOST installation manual is not particularly easy to use. Folks seem to be able to DIY the D2B installation without much trouble. BTW, the Gateway 500 allows you to keep your CDC. It is generally available for around $450.
Voice control: Yes, your current one should work with the Bluetooth setup, including the Universal PSE (and your current PSE if it works with the Cable Eliminator Cable and V60 puck) but the '00 voice control unit controlled only the phone system. If you can find one from an '01 through '03 (check ebay or a breaker yard such as Potomac German Auto), you'll find you have control over much more - virtually the whole audio system (including switching sources, fast forward, rewind, skip track, etc) - and it controlled the features on the iPod that corresponded to the tape player/CDC. Changing out the voice control is simply a matter of replacing the box. When I did mine 6 years ago, I simply changed out the original Voice Control Module (part A220 820 6426, manufactured November 1999) for part A203 820 6826, manufactured late October, 2000 (no doubt for the 2001 model year). Cost then was $49 on e-bay.
The SYN indicates you have a StarTac PSE that would have been original to the car. Without the blue dot or the blue magic marker stripe on the label, I do not believe it will work with just the cradle eliminator.
It has one designation that I have not seen - the "C" after the SYN designation. Most units I have known of were A or B. There is a chance (and only a chance) that the "C" designation indicates the firmware upgrade that got the blue marking in the first place - but I simply do not know. It is the firmware upgrade, done long ago, that allows many of the older PSEs to continue to be used with the V60 puck.
You could try using the Cradle Eliminator Cable and V60 puck with the current PSE; if it works, it saves you $$. If not, you need the Universal PSE too.
The original StarTac PSE did not provide caller ID. I replaced mine with a TimePort PSE when I installed a MikBox, just to get that feature. If the PSE you have works with the V60 puck, but doesn't provide caller ID, you'd need to go to the Universal PSE to get it.
As for iPod integration, I like the Dension Gateway 500; you would need the D2B version. Because of limitation on the D2B COMAND units, you will not see song titles displayed; you will get track number only. However, there is a mode provided that lets you select your music on the iPod itself, and then you have your steering wheel buttons for volume and for advancing/backing up through tracks. If you organize your music into playlists, it works out pretty well. You also have random play or the option of just letting it play your whole library (of course, you can also sort by album or artist).
The Gateway 500 provides a direct feed into your audio system's fiber optics. Sound quality is superb, especially when you have your music in high-quality formats (I have few mp3s - I mainly use Apple Lossless or the original CD's AIFF formats). Music is also paused for calls, and plays again after they are ended. Sound is reduced so you can hear nav instructions.
My installation in the '05 is at https://mbworld.org/forums/audio-ele...mentation.html - but be aware of 2 things - it is a MOST installation, so I do get song title and artist display; and your D2B installation would be MUCH simpler than mine (you do not have to make any fiber optics wiring changes in the trunk).
The MOST installation manual is not particularly easy to use. Folks seem to be able to DIY the D2B installation without much trouble. BTW, the Gateway 500 allows you to keep your CDC. It is generally available for around $450.
Voice control: Yes, your current one should work with the Bluetooth setup, including the Universal PSE (and your current PSE if it works with the Cable Eliminator Cable and V60 puck) but the '00 voice control unit controlled only the phone system. If you can find one from an '01 through '03 (check ebay or a breaker yard such as Potomac German Auto), you'll find you have control over much more - virtually the whole audio system (including switching sources, fast forward, rewind, skip track, etc) - and it controlled the features on the iPod that corresponded to the tape player/CDC. Changing out the voice control is simply a matter of replacing the box. When I did mine 6 years ago, I simply changed out the original Voice Control Module (part A220 820 6426, manufactured November 1999) for part A203 820 6826, manufactured late October, 2000 (no doubt for the 2001 model year). Cost then was $49 on e-bay.
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SkyLaw - I know you help alot of people. Thats great.
I just gotta say... what a great read that was. You seem to be a foremost expert on this stuff.
Ok so I can try Cable Eliminator and Puck with current PSE. Any tips on where to get just those 2 parts. I dont see much listed on ebay?
Also, spoke to Keith Valentine. Another great resource.
He explained in detail the Bluetooth option and the Non-bluetooth option. The nonbluetooth is tempting for the reception throughout the car instead of just using the cell antenna but I am not crazy about the other phone and the forwarding. That would mean I would have to use a different number than my current one? and forward to a new one, correct?
His kits are $500-600.
I will probably just keep using the cassette with wire for Ipod.
Gonna give it a run with current PSE and see how it turns out.
I just gotta say... what a great read that was. You seem to be a foremost expert on this stuff.
Ok so I can try Cable Eliminator and Puck with current PSE. Any tips on where to get just those 2 parts. I dont see much listed on ebay?
Also, spoke to Keith Valentine. Another great resource.
He explained in detail the Bluetooth option and the Non-bluetooth option. The nonbluetooth is tempting for the reception throughout the car instead of just using the cell antenna but I am not crazy about the other phone and the forwarding. That would mean I would have to use a different number than my current one? and forward to a new one, correct?
His kits are $500-600.
I will probably just keep using the cassette with wire for Ipod.
Gonna give it a run with current PSE and see how it turns out.
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You can get both on ebay - listings change periodically. Also, from the dealer and from AWS.
I have discussed the better reception with plug-in phones in several places, and note that the RAZR has notoriously poor reception. If you compare some of the posts in the How-To Guide, you'll see it's there.
Yes, you need two separate numbers for the 2-phone option (that's why I refer to it as the 2-line option). Not bad if you already have a family plan, but steep if you don't.
I have discussed the better reception with plug-in phones in several places, and note that the RAZR has notoriously poor reception. If you compare some of the posts in the How-To Guide, you'll see it's there.
Yes, you need two separate numbers for the 2-phone option (that's why I refer to it as the 2-line option). Not bad if you already have a family plan, but steep if you don't.
