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any way to 'tighten' sunroof shade to resist 800#/tq?

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Old 12-14-2011, 02:43 PM
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any way to 'tighten' sunroof shade to resist 800#/tq?

Heck let's be fair, it couldn't resist the OE tq for crap either.

Any way to 'tighten' that sucker so it doesn't go sliiiiiiiiiding back under accel, and then forwarrrrrrrrrrrrd under braking!?!???

Rather unbecomming of a car of this stature IMO - and annoying.

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Superglue. Won't move under acceleration or braking. Well, won't move at all! Problem solved.

Seriously, I suspect the sliding rails are bent or loose. Does the sunshade have much side-to-side movement? Mine does not; very little, actually.

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I'll check - but - any way to remedy???
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Paul,

Let me dredge up a parts list for the sunroof shade, and the roof; might give us a clue. In the meantime, accelerate fast and brake slow to open the shade [sorry, sarcasm mode engaged] and open the glass sunroof fully back. You should be able to at least see and/or feel the shade rails and perhaps the shade itself. Hopefully, it’s not broken.

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Nop. all the 600 and 55k owners suffer from this.

It's part of the butt dyno.

btw your writing style is very unique, how did you come up with it?
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Originally Posted by Das Geld 2
Nop. all the 600 and 55k owners suffer from this.

It's part of the butt dyno.

btw your writing style is very unique, how did you come up with it?
Thanks Das Geld (I think?). What is a Das Geld, anyway? Screen names... always befuddle me! D'oh 8-)

My writing style eh?... how did I come up with it?

After enjoying my first 3 formative years in an nuturing household, my I wandered aimlessly off deep into the backwoods and was raised by a flock of insiduous jackls.

For years, I studied them - their ways, their systems of beliefs, their fur.

After gleaning all I could glean, I found myself on the S-Car-List (an email based list for owners of Audi //S models). Started this thing called //SFest, and began jotting down the experiences.

Them, those crazy efftards - well - they went and stoopidly encouraged me.

Dumbarses!

I began writing for European Car Magazine, and was published just yesterday actually in Excellence Magazine.

So, I guess, "there"?

Basically, in summary: I'm just a flaming @$$hoal overall, and enjoy being a raging Duetchbag most of the time.

Hope that answer's yer Q?


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Sooooooooooo, this is a chronic W220 problem - yet - there exists no remedy yet? The Audi clan woulda enginerd'd a solution here STAT 8-)... just sayin'.

Come on guys, someone out here's gotta be smaht enough to rig around this annoyance?

(I'm not smaht)

Maybe Das Geld 3? (d'oh there I go again)

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velcro at the front edge? more elaborate would be magnets... a latch would be tacky...
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I'm thinking there has to be a way to 'tighten' the resistence in the 'sliders'... Bueller?
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I'm sure there is a way but it would take a lot of work. fist step would be to take it all apart & see exactly what your working with, then decide if it's better to modify the existing sliders or add resistance in another way, maybe an auxiliary follower with a clutch/brake. you want it tight but also smooth to operate which could be harder than it sounds.. my first suggestions were more practical, easy approaches....
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Paul,

Regarding your sunshade issue, I have attached a drawing and a picture or two that could be a potential source of the problem. Referring to the parts explosion, the sliding sun shade (item 60 is held within the rails by qty. 4 of item 70, Sliding Shoe (MB p/n 210.780.00.57). My MB Parts Guy reports that the dealership does change these Sliding Shoes with a fair amount of regularity.

If you look at the picture of a single Sliding Shoe, you may notice that it’s made up of 3 components – a metal support frame, an outer Teflon slide and inner rubber cushion piece. I believe you may have a Sliding Shoe or two that are damaged, perhaps missing the outer Teflon slide component. Surprisingly, the Teflon slide component is held in place on the rubber cushion by two very, VERY flimsy and tiny Teflon tabs. They look delicate and are probably prone to breakage. This would account for the ease at which the sunshade moves as the engineering of the whole assembly is probably predicated on the width of the Teflon slides within the left and right rail assemblies. If the Teflon slides are missing, there would be insufficient side-to-side force to hold the sunshade in place when either accelerating or braking. Worth checking into.

Cheers,
Jeff
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Awesome detail Jeff, hugely appreciate that recon. I'll have a looksee and report back. That does all sound very plausible.

My shade's not flopping around or anything - just lacks sufficient resistance to stay shut. Or open.

And I do get occassional metallic 'rattle' up thar (nominal but annoying like Chinese Water Torture, which, I've never had) which I need to reach up and heb!tchmanslap the shade to cure.

Sooooo, I wonder:

a) how bigga PITA these shoes are to replace

II) how mucha @$$raping MB gets for said shoes 8-)

So then - quite likely - baby needs neu shoes? Sorry couldn't resist...
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Originally Posted by Sgt. Schultz
Awesome detail Jeff, hugely appreciate that recon. I'll have a looksee and report back. That does all sound very plausible.

My shade's not flopping around or anything - just lacks sufficient resistance to stay shut. Or open.

And I do get occassional metallic 'rattle' up thar (nominal but annoying like Chinese Water Torture, which, I've never had) which I need to reach up and heb!tchmanslap the shade to cure.

Sooooo, I wonder:

a) how bigga PITA these shoes are to replace

II) how mucha @$$raping MB gets for said shoes 8-)

So then - quite likely - baby needs neu shoes? Sorry couldn't resist...
Not sure on the replacement procedure, but will poke around a bit. You’ll probably also need this drawing (see attached) – it’s the parts explosion for all the headliner doo-dad poop that’ll have to be removed (I think) to get the headliner out; assuming that’s what needs to be done. Probably straight-forward, but like trying to fly, an incredible number of laborious steps to get from your home threshold to the aircraft seat and your obligatory bag of stale peanuts, flat soda and Ms/Mr Personality Flight Attendant. Even then there's still a chance you may not make it to your destination and will be seeing the sights of Havana for a couple days.

Price of the Sliding Shoe is a ball-buster... $5.50 each (list). The ‘cheapness’ of this part suggests the labor time to install is great. MB makes their $$$, always! Probably $20 for parts and $600 for labor. HA!

Cheers,
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Basically, in summary: I'm just a flaming @$$hoal overall, and enjoy being a raging Duetchbag most of the time.

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LOL...this is 100% true !!!

Ask me how I know this ....

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We have a winner
Good to 'meet' you Mr. Geld - sorry for being silly, it's just hard for me to have dialogue w/ a screen name instead of a person's name - and - I'm not smart enough to figure out screen names.

Prob coulda google translated there huh...

I was particularly silly here and thought you might find self depreciation amusing
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Putting a strip of fuzzy Velcro on both edges of the sunroof shade gives it just enough resistance to stay in place while still being able to open and close it

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