S-Class (W221) 2007-2013: S 320 CDI, S 350, S 450, S 500, S 550, S 420 CDI, S 600

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Old May 1, 2007 | 06:11 PM
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I believe that the numbers posted as sales numbers are actually import numbers. Since this is a new model year for the LS460, the numbers are significantly overstated as the pipeline fills. A more accurate comparison would be vehicle registrations over comparable timeframes.
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Old May 1, 2007 | 07:04 PM
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i gots to give lexus credit for this car, those headlights are amazing, so at nite, i know she would look pretty, as of driving, i have no clue, i never even drove a 460 yet, oh well, i dont understand, why alot of people on this fourm get mad at a hybrid luxury car that noone drove yet
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Old May 1, 2007 | 11:43 PM
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The Lexus does not even have bi-xenons, whats with that?
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Old May 2, 2007 | 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by pmb600
The Lexus does not even have bi-xenons, whats with that?
It has LED Headlights
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Old May 2, 2007 | 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by pmb600
The Lexus does not even have bi-xenons, whats with that?
I have to slap you along with Braheem man. LED > Bi-Xenon.

LED is the next generation of automotive front lighting systems.
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Old May 2, 2007 | 06:25 AM
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I thought the 460 had xenons (im assuming bi-xenon...i cannot imagine they would use halogens for high beam) and the 600 hybrid had the LEDs for the main and high beam headlights....or am i mistaken?
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Old May 2, 2007 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by dr.skp.ortho
I thought the 460 had xenons (im assuming bi-xenon...i cannot imagine they would use halogens for high beam) and the 600 hybrid had the LEDs for the main and high beam headlights....or am i mistaken?

We're supposed to be discussing the LS600 not the 460, at least that was the intent of the OP.
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Old May 2, 2007 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by MB Fanatic
I have to slap you along with Braheem man. LED > Bi-Xenon.

LED is the next generation of automotive front lighting systems.
Sorry I was talking about the LS460, that is the car I test drove and it does not have bi-xenon. I know that the LS600 has LED headlights.
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Old May 2, 2007 | 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by pmb600
Sorry I was talking about the LS460, that is the car I test drove and it does not have bi-xenon. I know that the LS600 has LED headlights.
WTF, they're still using xenons instead of bi-xenons? I would have assumed they might have used the same system in the IS.
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Old May 2, 2007 | 09:47 PM
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WTF, they're still using xenons instead of bi-xenons? I would have assumed they might have used the same system in the IS.
Yeah I don't know what to say. I was shocked. I recently took a quick spin in one (in response to reading this thread actually). I drove the car when it first came out, but that was during the day. This time was at night and when I put the high beams on they were definately not bi-xenon, a fact which the sales person confirmed. Below is the information from the Lexus website (I assume it would say bi-xenon instead of HID since they would want to draw attention that feature):

By allowing both headlamps to turn, the Dual-swivel Adaptive Front Lighting System provides better illumination around curves. When turning speed exceeds 19 mph, both headlamps will swivel to brighten the road's curve. At lower speeds, a single headlamp rotates up to 15 degrees during right turns and 15 degrees when turning left. Standard High Intensity Discharge (HID) headlamps are brighter than conventional halogen headlamps, use less energy and last significantly longer. Also, for added convenience, the outside mirrors are equipped with puddle-lamp illumination to light your way. The LS also features LED lamps in the taillights and a stop light, which last longer and illuminate faster than conventional bulbs, possibly giving drivers behind you more time to react to the brake lamps.
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Old May 2, 2007 | 09:48 PM
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Oh and please people before you start telling me that bi-xenon is HID and I'm an idiot, let me tell you I am aware. However, regular xenons with halogen high beams are also called HID headlights.
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Old May 2, 2007 | 10:57 PM
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Guys just an FYI

You will see better with a yellow/Orange tone light then you would with a light that has a blue hue. You can try this experiment by switching your light bulbs in your home to the energy saving blue hue lights. It's the same reason blu-blocker sunglasses work so well, they filter the blue wavelength in the light spectrum and improve contrast whereas the opposite side of the spectrum washes out the detail.

Same reason real German cars used to have yellow fog lamps.
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Old May 2, 2007 | 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Braheem
Guys just an FYI

You will see better with a yellow/Orange tone light then you would with a light that has a blue hue. You can try this experiment by switching your light bulbs in your home to the energy saving blue hue lights. It's the same reason blu-blocker sunglasses work so well, they filter the blue wavelength in the light spectrum and improve contrast whereas the opposite side of the spectrum washes out the detail.

Same reason real German cars used to have yellow fog lamps.
Perhaps, but 4300k (OEM xenons) is the best for output.
If the LS460 doesn't have bi-xenon's, that sucks.
I used to drive an X5 at night everyday, the bixenons helped a lot.
Now in the LS430 (yes, I'm aware, the previous generation LS) it had regular highbeams which were woefully ineffective compared to the bi-xenons.

If the LS460 doesn't have b-xenons either -- that just confirms my early opinion of the LS and how it was not enough of an evolution/revolution -- therefore not worthy of the $.

LS600lh however, I've still yet to see on the road, drive on the road, and crash into a tree -- so I'm hush about that
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Old May 2, 2007 | 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Braheem
Guys just an FYI

You will see better with a yellow/Orange tone light then you would with a light that has a blue hue. You can try this experiment by switching your light bulbs in your home to the energy saving blue hue lights. It's the same reason blu-blocker sunglasses work so well, they filter the blue wavelength in the light spectrum and improve contrast whereas the opposite side of the spectrum washes out the detail.

Same reason real German cars used to have yellow fog lamps.
I have not owned a car with xenons. My dad had a Cadillac CTS that had projector style low-beam xenons, regular halogen high beams. I like the look of the xenons and I am sure that they have better/higher light output, but there is definately something strange about them. It's almost like there are strange shadows cast that aren't there with halogen, I really don't know how to describe it, does anyone else feel this way?

On another note, the OEM halogen lights on my post-facelift C-Class are unbeleiveable, they are so bright people think they are xenons.
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Old May 3, 2007 | 01:13 PM
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Cool We can help turn the tables.

We should all sign up with consumer reports ($25 a year), not only do you get killer articles about what products are the best... but we can fill out their surveys that will show how reliable MB is.

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Old May 3, 2007 | 10:06 PM
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I am not Mercedes bashing I am just stating what I have experienced with my C320,E500 and S430 and from reading many forums that MB no doubt is having problems. What really ticks me off is that they are aware of the problems but refuse to take responsibility of them. I asked them to buyback (no lemon law in Canada) the E500 and they said that I would have to shell out $8000 for another one even though it was a lemon from day one when I noticed a ticking due to bad motor mounts and then I had the problem with the tranny which is also a known issue with the E-class.
If you shelled out your hard earned cash and you got problems with all the cars then you be pissed too. The S-class has a rusting issue which wouldn't bother me if I lived in California but I live in Canada with snow and salt in the winter.
Hmmm.... Perhaps rieger is an imposter! He even makes the same mistakes with the years of the different S-class models produced!
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279463
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Old May 4, 2007 | 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Jason.Bare
Hmmm.... Perhaps rieger is an imposter! He even makes the same mistakes with the years of the different S-class models produced!
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279463
What are you saying that I am luxofreak? I am not luxofreak but obviously his father inlaw has the same experience with MB problems on his w220. I did say I have a 2001 S430 and not a S500 if you read the thread. I am also on that forum but I am not luxofreak.

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Old May 4, 2007 | 01:33 AM
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What are you saying that I am luxofreak? I am not luxofreak but obviously his father inlaw has the same experience with MB problems on his w220. I did say I have a 2001 S430 and not a S500 if you read the thread. I am also on that forum but I am not luxofreak.
Hold on a sec guys....let me get some more popcorn!!!!
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Old May 4, 2007 | 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by dr.skp.ortho
Hold on a sec guys....let me get some more popcorn!!!!
Don't bother, it won't be that entertaining. I could easily talk to a moderator at Clublexus and do IP checks if it was a big deal.

But it's not. It's a car. A car that many here say has no soul. Then it's not even sentient. Why does it matter, unless you have something positive to contribute.
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Old May 4, 2007 | 10:14 AM
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What are you saying that I am luxofreak? I am not luxofreak [OK] but obviously his father inlaw has the same experience with MB problems on his w220. I did say I have a 2001 S430 and not a S500 if you read the thread. I am also on that forum but I am not luxofreak.
As Ricky said, it's no big deal... Rieger is not worth my time...
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Old May 4, 2007 | 12:01 PM
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As Ricky said, it's no big deal... Rieger is not worth my time...
LOL first you make the post that I'm an imposter and then say I'm not worth your time. Go and do an IP check on clublexus, the admin at clublexus is going to read this and laugh just like the other LS460 guys. If you want to continue this I will be more than willing. And thanks for the idea of posting on other boards since I won't get kicked out of the other boards for being honest and not and uptight benz owner.
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Old May 4, 2007 | 12:22 PM
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Notice any resemblence to a Mercedes? Cluster? Vents? climate controls? shifter? seats?...


hey braheem, check out these 2 designs.. they look exactly the same!
The have 4 wheels and don't look like ordinary cars!


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Old May 4, 2007 | 01:56 PM
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LOL first you make the post that I'm an imposter and then say I'm not worth your time.
I still think you are! a) you have nothing to contribute here (MBW)
b) @ clublexus, it seems like there is a member that read the exact same post over @ MBW, had the exact same problem as you, and made the same mistakes about which models had those particular problems as you had!
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Old May 4, 2007 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Jason.Bare
I still think you are! a) you have nothing to contribute here (MBW)
b) @ clublexus, it seems like there is a member that read the exact same post over @ MBW, had the exact same problem as you, and made the same mistakes about which models had those particular problems as you had!
Keep thinking what you want just like that benz are the best. And you have a lot to contribute by making accusations. I was quite for a while but you couldn't let be so shut up and I will also. Funny you think that I am the only person in the whole world who have a problem with their benz. Even though others on this thread have admitted to problems in the past. Shows how closed minded you are. Check on MBworld E-class forums and S-Class W220 forums and you will find others with same or similiar problems and you going to tell me that all those members are me also?
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Keep thinking what you want just like that benz are the best. [What?] And you have a lot to contribute by making accusations. [Read some of my posts before you say that.] I was quite [quiet?] for a while but you couldn't let be so shut up and I will also. [I don't understand] Funny you think that I am the only person in the whole world who have a problem with their benz. [I never thought you were the only person in the world who has problems with your MB.] Even though others on this thread have admitted to problems in the past. [that has nothing to do with this!] Shows how closed minded you are. [perhaps] Check on MBworld E-class forums and S-Class W220 forums and you will find others with same or similiar problems [duh!] and you['re] going to tell me that all those members are me also?[]
Overall, you get an F
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