Originally Posted by crabman

Mixed bag on break in, I say that as someone who had access to a very large database with logged engine, transmission, reduction gear, PTO, and other similar equipment, lots of data over the lifetime of these components. More interesting is that in the commercial space you are sometimes talking about multiple lifetimes; you have sleeved bores and all that, they're designed to be renewed endlessly. This means you can see the same engine operated under different parameters. It's commercial usage, but in broad strokes, I'd say it's pertinent.

With cars you've got a lot of different components with differing needs for directed break-in operation. In my opinion, based on what I know, you don't need to worry about the engine, it left the factory with enough revolutions to be largely beyond any benefit, and moderate initial loading may show an extended service life.

Probably time to be talking about moderate, and with it, duration. Should you enter into a commercial endeavor involving an engine that costs you millions; you have incentive to get it right. What right will end up looking like is a load table defining the load you're going to put on the engine over the time following the first start. You'll be hooking up to a load cell for smaller engines; these are usually nothing more than a great big toaster, tons of toaster, and the resistance is going to be your load. Bigger engines in power plants may be aligned into an array and load sharing will be used to control the load. On a boat, with main propulsion, they will pull on the dock to start, and then head out to a sea after a short time, where they will introduce load as directed during a sea trial. There is always a way, and when it's your millions, you're going to follow the procedure. This is almost invariably going to be a light load that is increased over time.

So then you've got duration; how long will this directed operation go on? This will usually be defined in hours, and it's not many, as little as a few, to around 20 for some gears, the longest I'm aware of are ring and pinions. There could be others that are more, can't say.

To go back to that engine, it has been started and stopped multiple times before you got the car. This isn't just a matter of making revolutions, its had heat cycles, that's a good thing. When it's my money, I don't baby it, but I do drive moderately in the early miles. I vary my speeds. If at all possible, I'd arrange for heat cycles in those early miles.

So why the heat cycles? That would be your diff, those gears require a mating process to reach their final service condition and that can only happen during actual use. Overloading these gears before they are ready will create excessive heat. At best it will increase gear whine, they will in any event be weaker, and your worst outcome is failure.

Lets go back to that 20 hours I mentioned. A typical car will go around 500 miles during that time. Most of you are probably too young to have changed gears on your cars. Those that have will recall that Motive, or whoever made your gears, will recommend something like 400 to 500 miles before full load operation. They will tell you to heat cycle the gears when you first install them by driving a short distance and then stopping for a time period. More or less 3 heat/cooling cycles and then you're told to vary your speeds and limit load, gradually increasing load as you get to their recommended full throttle mileage.

Anyone notice how it used to be your break-in was 500 miles, almost everywhere? That isn't an accident, that's when the longest directed break-in operation item, your ring and pinion, will be fully in service.

Why the 1000 mile thing you see nowadays? Things break more often when flogged, less often when babied. I don't think this, the data shows it to be true. Imagine you could increase profitability by simply changing a number that would have millions of owners babying their cars for an extra 500 miles.

I'm in Italy typing away in a wine bar; Mrs Crab has gone home ahead of me and I'm free to play. I apologize if I screwed that up on my phone.

Originally Posted by SW20S

I know a guy who leases high end cars and prides himself on never washing them or changing the oil. His response is "why would I, its a rental car". To me even if you are leasing a high end car, you're paying a lot. Why do you want to drive around in something filthy?! I had that GLS450 loaner for 8 days...I washed it because it was filthy.



Break in periods are outdated. Personally I think AMG suggests that to add to the allure that the car is special and handbuilt etc. Its like a Lexus ES requiring premium gas lol



Huge difference. I haven't driven a 740 but I have driven the 760 back to back with the i7 several times and the i7 feels totally different and better.

Originally Posted by SW20S

Thats the M70, the high performance version

Originally Posted by W205C43PFL

Ya I don't like the idea of just because it isn't yours, you should treat it poorly. I hate that mindset, hence why I am reluctant to buy lease return vehicles or to be a person that leases vehicles because I don't want to be one of them. I only buy cars new but depending on how the industry is going, I understand if I still want features (like physical buttons) or if I need or want dislike a certain automotive trend but MB is following, a used vehicle might be my only option. Or I can check out BMW like OP of course : )

Thanks for sharing your perspective on break-in.

Thanks for sharing your perspective on the i7 vs the regular ICE.

Originally Posted by Quietride

Can you imagine if someone bragged about not changing oil on their S-Class or 911?

Originally Posted by Quietride

That really speaks volumes about a person’s character. Unfortunately this is seen a lot in the EV world, especially among owners of certain brands like Audi. Owners will charge the vehicles to 100% at all times and let them sit, in direct opposition to the manuals and on-screen guidance.

“I paid off 100% of the car, and I won’t have it in a couple years.”

Can you imagine if someone bragged about not changing oil on their S-Class or 911?

Originally Posted by Streamliner

Well, the title of this thread is “I drove a BMW I7 and…….,” I’m pleased to report that after sitting “At The Port” for almost three weeks, my I7 is finally on a ship, headed my way. The dealer says “about August 12th” for delivery. I can’t wait to do a thorough comparison with my departed S580.

Originally Posted by Streamliner

Well, the title of this thread is “I drove a BMW I7 and…….,” I’m pleased to report that after sitting “At The Port” for almost three weeks, my I7 is finally on a ship, headed my way. The dealer says “about August 12th” for delivery. I can’t wait to do a thorough comparison with my departed S580.

Originally Posted by docsout

Stream, y’all alright over there? Saw the news about fires, and yikes, concerned about you and family.

Originally Posted by SW20S

Congrats!

I’ll save you all the wait, he hates the S580 and the i7 is much better lol

Originally Posted by S_W222

Well, not necessarily, but we shall see. His comments about the W223 were all logical, so he might as well find similar issues with the i7 and save some of us the hassle as am too hesitant already and not that excited for it. I'd expect he will love the i7 only because it's an EV, and the drivetrain and driving experience in that sense would be superior, but that's not what am interested in as I already know that. Everything other than the driving experience is what am curious to hear about.

Originally Posted by SW20S

Congrats!

I’ll save you all the wait, he hates the S580 and the i7 is much better lol

Originally Posted by W205C43PFL

Ya, the waiting kills : ( it is still over a month before he gets it.

Originally Posted by Streamliner

Good things come to those who wait.
I’m actually waiting on something else that is very related, but I can’t tell you what it is yet.

Originally Posted by Streamliner

Good things come to those who wait.
I’m actually waiting on something else that is very related, but I can’t tell you what it is yet.

Originally Posted by MBS63AMG

I've been in Billings Montana this week and as I was headed out to my car, a man and his wife were walking away from their BMW 760i headed to the doors of the hotel. I asked him how he liked it and he said he loves it. I told him that I felt that the BMW 7 is the king of the luxo-barges right now and that MB is in trouble. I told him how I had several S classes in my past 30 years and that I thought the last best Benz was the W222. He agreed. He said he had 3 W222s and never had a problem at all. He then told me that he had a 2022 W223 and said it was "a piece of junk" and was in the shop more than out of it and that they had to buy it back. He said he was shocked at how many problems he had with it including door handle issues, constant suspension issues and electrical gremlins. I did not lead him to say any of this....he said it as a flow of the conversation.

Originally Posted by MBS63AMG

I've been in Billings Montana this week and as I was headed out to my car, a man and his wife were walking away from their BMW 760i headed to the doors of the hotel. I asked him how he liked it and he said he loves it. I told him that I felt that the BMW 7 is the king of the luxo-barges right now and that MB is in trouble. I told him how I had several S classes in my past 30 years and that I thought the last best Benz was the W222. He agreed. He said he had 3 W222s and never had a problem at all. He then told me that he had a 2022 W223 and said it was "a piece of junk" and was in the shop more than out of it and that they had to buy it back. He said he was shocked at how many problems he had with it including door handle issues, constant suspension issues and electrical gremlins. I did not lead him to say any of this....he said it as a flow of the conversation.

Originally Posted by W205C43PFL

Sounds like you met forum member streamliner in real life

Originally Posted by S_W222

haha lol… I thought the same the first time I read this…. You know, it’s very possible lol.